380 now 180 back to the 330...
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Yep, apparently if no takers then reverse seniority back onto the 330. F/o's might be interested as no right to left now on the A380. The 8 line skippers will I guess be the 8 most junior on the fleet. Can't imagine they'll be too happy 
No such problems on the 777 eh!!! 
No such problems on the 777 eh!!!
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Its not written yet but A380 FO's would be smart to get off the 380 if they have the chance. Nothing ever has to be on paper and if they do put it on paper it would not happen until they had to IE 2 years from now.
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Yes.
It is a shame but I think the timing of the 380 could not be worse and the 58 on order will never materialize.
As transatlantic and european traffic contracts, all carriers are looking towards the Gulf and Asia. Add this extra capacity to the Gulf carriers planned increase of 40% then the 380 doesn't seem to fit in anywhere. This large increase in capacity in a markedly reduced market will take its toll.
Reassigning it may help but the figures were initially based on the prime european and US destinations the 777 is going to service. With both the 787 and 350s looming which are more suitable to current conditions the 380 looks very vulnerable.
It is a shame but I think the timing of the 380 could not be worse and the 58 on order will never materialize.
As transatlantic and european traffic contracts, all carriers are looking towards the Gulf and Asia. Add this extra capacity to the Gulf carriers planned increase of 40% then the 380 doesn't seem to fit in anywhere. This large increase in capacity in a markedly reduced market will take its toll.
Reassigning it may help but the figures were initially based on the prime european and US destinations the 777 is going to service. With both the 787 and 350s looming which are more suitable to current conditions the 380 looks very vulnerable.
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Fart Master - that is incorrect. 8 capts and 8 fo's will be asked to go back after the volunteer period is over (end of month)
asking 60 to go back would be over half the existing fleet and would ground the aircraft.
asking 60 to go back would be over half the existing fleet and would ground the aircraft.
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A380 driver "Wrong yet again", who pissed on your bonfire?
Jeez, I'm sorry if people think I'm wrong but that was what I was told by someone who had spoken to Training Management.
Jeez, I'm sorry if people think I'm wrong but that was what I was told by someone who had spoken to Training Management.
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Fart MAster - No stress from me - just that there are only 70 or 80 guys on the thing (I think) so 60 would be lot. Seems to be working a bit better now however what they are going to do with 5 more this year let alone 58 is beyond me. I also agree that the figures compared to a 777-300 are not that impressive. We are hauling a lot of tin for a small payload increase.
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I wasn't aware that it was an Airbus vs Boeing discussion, all I did was post the info given to me by someone high up in the company, if the info is wrong, then ok, no big deal.
A380-800, I am on the Airbus fleet
A380-800, I am on the Airbus fleet
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a380-800 seems like an arrogant "super" kinda guy! Mr. Fart only posted something that he heard so if it's wrong no big deal.
Chilled out guys! Be it airbus or Boeing we're all on the same boat.
Chilled out guys! Be it airbus or Boeing we're all on the same boat.
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This was not meant to start a slanging match just bring up the fact that crews on the 380 ore being redeployed back to 330/340.
All additional aircraft be it 777F when the price of freight has dropped through the floor and any additional pax capacity must be suspect.
All additional aircraft be it 777F when the price of freight has dropped through the floor and any additional pax capacity must be suspect.
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Reason for the re-deployment is the fact that we will be flying to BKK and Toronto. BKK only one crew per day on one a/c compared to JFK 2 crews. Then Toronto only 3 flight per week.
The crews trained currently would be for daily JFK, LHR and SYD-AKL.
Makes sense, does it not?
Sure the next 5 will be delayed as well if possible, unless the slowdown stops.
The crews trained currently would be for daily JFK, LHR and SYD-AKL.
Makes sense, does it not?
Sure the next 5 will be delayed as well if possible, unless the slowdown stops.
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Exactly the point...
High revenue, currently low demand routes for 'hopefully' higher demand lower revenue ones. Not the plan but flexibility has to be the key during these times as worth a shot.
It's not a question of bashing the 380 just EKs overall increasing capacity in a declining, increasingly competitive market.
EK are banking on taking up the slack as other carriers retrench but there is increasing opposition to EK stepping in on other peoples turf and they will not go unopposed.
For all of us I hope it works out but it doesn't make sense to me to expand into a contracting world incurring the higher costs with reducing revenues.
High revenue, currently low demand routes for 'hopefully' higher demand lower revenue ones. Not the plan but flexibility has to be the key during these times as worth a shot.
It's not a question of bashing the 380 just EKs overall increasing capacity in a declining, increasingly competitive market.
EK are banking on taking up the slack as other carriers retrench but there is increasing opposition to EK stepping in on other peoples turf and they will not go unopposed.
For all of us I hope it works out but it doesn't make sense to me to expand into a contracting world incurring the higher costs with reducing revenues.