QR - why is Qualification for Transfer and Promotion "removed" from OM A?
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the story of some regional aircraft to be introduced into the airline is something I have also heard, as well read about in the local tabloid.
to be honest, the days of Bling are behind us now. thrift is back in Vogue.
having said that, I really do not believe that there will be a introduction of a regional fleet anytime soon.
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to be honest, the days of Bling are behind us now. thrift is back in Vogue.
having said that, I really do not believe that there will be a introduction of a regional fleet anytime soon.
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You guys might just get what you are wishing for...
QR is looking into introducing some very small aircraft in its fleet in the near future (A318 looks like a behemoth compared to these things) so prepare for an upgrade there!
Correct me if I am wrong, but the requirement to have at least 4 in your checkrides has always been there. OK, now you have to maintain your level one session more...So what, big deal! Everybody gets 4s in this airline...I have been here a looooong time and I have never seen an FO short of his command selection getting a 3 just because his partner screwed up! The instructors (most of them anyway) are not stupid you know!
Wizzair and Air Asia....here we go again....Lets see what happens with both of them in 2009. Air Asia allready issued a profit warning to its shareholders and Wizzair is dying a very slow death at the moment with dwindling pax numbers.
But hey, if you hotshots FOs want to go there to get a small chance of a quick shot to the left seat, by all means...go ahead! Good luck! I hope you will enjoy your 4 days command course! And good luck as well finding a job afterwards with a reputable carrier! They all know how bad the command training is overthere....
If you where disapointed when joining I think this was mainly due to the fact that you people where ill-informed and you believed your own dreams? They promised fast track upgrades, 1 year fleet transfers blablabla...I know this happens and it is dispicable an airline's recruitment team lowers itself to this type of operation but what on earth made you believe that this is true! You knew there where almost 500 FOS in front of you awaiting their upgrades? What made you believe you could just jump over their heads?
Not very smart and certainly incredible naive!
QR is looking into introducing some very small aircraft in its fleet in the near future (A318 looks like a behemoth compared to these things) so prepare for an upgrade there!
Correct me if I am wrong, but the requirement to have at least 4 in your checkrides has always been there. OK, now you have to maintain your level one session more...So what, big deal! Everybody gets 4s in this airline...I have been here a looooong time and I have never seen an FO short of his command selection getting a 3 just because his partner screwed up! The instructors (most of them anyway) are not stupid you know!
Wizzair and Air Asia....here we go again....Lets see what happens with both of them in 2009. Air Asia allready issued a profit warning to its shareholders and Wizzair is dying a very slow death at the moment with dwindling pax numbers.
But hey, if you hotshots FOs want to go there to get a small chance of a quick shot to the left seat, by all means...go ahead! Good luck! I hope you will enjoy your 4 days command course! And good luck as well finding a job afterwards with a reputable carrier! They all know how bad the command training is overthere....
If you where disapointed when joining I think this was mainly due to the fact that you people where ill-informed and you believed your own dreams? They promised fast track upgrades, 1 year fleet transfers blablabla...I know this happens and it is dispicable an airline's recruitment team lowers itself to this type of operation but what on earth made you believe that this is true! You knew there where almost 500 FOS in front of you awaiting their upgrades? What made you believe you could just jump over their heads?
Not very smart and certainly incredible naive!
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I can strongly argue that point. as mentioned before, I too have been here nearing a Decade and have seen and known F/O's who have been given a Grade of 3 over the Capt's performance, thus removing them from any chance of Command for a period of time.
there was once a French ( or Canadian ) F/O here that had already did the command interview successfully and was waiting a training date, this happened to him and was removed from the upgrade training schedule ( approx 4 or 5 years ago) of course he then resigned to disappear in the ibis of aviation.
point is , don't say it never happens when in fact it does. I will say it's not that common and nearly everyone can get a grade of 4 ( even with a poor performance) .. but getting lower than that can and has happened.
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I have been here a looooong time and I have never seen an FO short of his command selection getting a 3 just because his partner screwed up! The instructors (most of them anyway) are not stupid you know!
there was once a French ( or Canadian ) F/O here that had already did the command interview successfully and was waiting a training date, this happened to him and was removed from the upgrade training schedule ( approx 4 or 5 years ago) of course he then resigned to disappear in the ibis of aviation.
point is , don't say it never happens when in fact it does. I will say it's not that common and nearly everyone can get a grade of 4 ( even with a poor performance) .. but getting lower than that can and has happened.
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Before even thinking about launching a LCC here in Doha, or bringing some more aircraft..A-318..maybe the first think we need here is...the new(sinking) airport(with 2 runways!) to be completed!Maybe then the company will save some money and fuel..We are probably the only major carrier in the gulf that can afford to put commercial aicraft in a queue at the holding point 34, waiting for the Gulf helicopter, the Fighter to land or let the college aircraft doing their touch and go's!
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Krunck,
ok...I admit....it happened all in all maybe 3 or 4 times over that period you claim to be a decade.And by that I mean pilots getting below 4 grades unrightfully so. But thats all.
And how many times did the opposite happen? People receiving 4 or 5s while actually they should have been failed and sent home? Many many times more, I am sure you will agree on that one too!
So all in all I do not think the whole process is unfair, not at all! And so far all the guys I know to be good aviators came through without a scratch and are flying now as skippers. The bad ones, well in most cases they failed. But isnt that the purpose of the whole process? In my opinion too many bad ones slipped through still so if you would ask me, that selection process should even be more strict!
And before you guys start shooting me down, all this off course applies as well ( and even more so) to those masses and masses of DECs we seem to be hiring at the moment!
If only they would put those guys in front of a panel consisting of 5 chief pilots! If only these people would be asked to fly an NDB approach into OOMS while suffering from a dual FCU failure! If only these so called captains would be send to OSDI in bad weather with only VOR 23R operational and that female controller is on the radio refusing to say whisky! Lets have a look than how many would pass!
Maybe with the new recruitment team these things will change. Because it is my opinion that these DECs pose a much bigger danger to our operation as supposed to the FOs struggling to get through their command training!
One positive note: In case you make it through selection, training, line training and line check here at QR you can be bloody sure you have been trained to face all situations put in front of you as a skipper! And thats something to be proud of ( wondering if the people in wizz or Air Asia have the same feeling after their 4 days??
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ok...I admit....it happened all in all maybe 3 or 4 times over that period you claim to be a decade.And by that I mean pilots getting below 4 grades unrightfully so. But thats all.
And how many times did the opposite happen? People receiving 4 or 5s while actually they should have been failed and sent home? Many many times more, I am sure you will agree on that one too!
So all in all I do not think the whole process is unfair, not at all! And so far all the guys I know to be good aviators came through without a scratch and are flying now as skippers. The bad ones, well in most cases they failed. But isnt that the purpose of the whole process? In my opinion too many bad ones slipped through still so if you would ask me, that selection process should even be more strict!
And before you guys start shooting me down, all this off course applies as well ( and even more so) to those masses and masses of DECs we seem to be hiring at the moment!
If only they would put those guys in front of a panel consisting of 5 chief pilots! If only these people would be asked to fly an NDB approach into OOMS while suffering from a dual FCU failure! If only these so called captains would be send to OSDI in bad weather with only VOR 23R operational and that female controller is on the radio refusing to say whisky! Lets have a look than how many would pass!
Maybe with the new recruitment team these things will change. Because it is my opinion that these DECs pose a much bigger danger to our operation as supposed to the FOs struggling to get through their command training!
One positive note: In case you make it through selection, training, line training and line check here at QR you can be bloody sure you have been trained to face all situations put in front of you as a skipper! And thats something to be proud of ( wondering if the people in wizz or Air Asia have the same feeling after their 4 days??
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Upgrades and....grades
Dear Schneider T/ Capt. Krunch and anybody else in the know,
I am a little confused regarding the grading system. Let's say you have all 4s and 5s on your LPC/OPC except one item being a 3 for some stupid reason and your over all score being a 4. Are you screwed and have to wait another 2 and a half year for upgrade?
In other words is it the total average grade that counts or ANY item within a checkride?
Thanks guys.
I am a little confused regarding the grading system. Let's say you have all 4s and 5s on your LPC/OPC except one item being a 3 for some stupid reason and your over all score being a 4. Are you screwed and have to wait another 2 and a half year for upgrade?
In other words is it the total average grade that counts or ANY item within a checkride?
Thanks guys.
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you are graded on the individual items, yes. But it's the overall grade that matters.. I.E. you might have all 4's and 5's and a couple of 3's. if the over all average is equal to 4, then thats your grade on the check. and thats the grade that matters.
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yes I agree.
Yes I agree there as well.
well I must say, NOT just the DEC, we have some pretty low standards in general in all new hire seats. ( new hire meaning, the past few years, not just at the moment) this of course is a very general statement and is not applicable to everyone, as we also have some pretty keen guys in the right seat, and left seat for that matter.. after all we just hired a ex-concord skipper.. now thats interesting.
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you are graded on the individual items, yes. But it's the overall grade that matters.. I.E. you might have all 4's and 5's and a couple of 3's. if the over all average is equal to 4, then thats your grade on the check. and thats the grade that matters.
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And how many times did the opposite happen? People receiving 4 or 5s while actually they should have been failed and sent home? Many many times more, I am sure you will agree on that one too!
In my opinion too many bad ones slipped through still so if you would ask me, that selection process should even be more strict!
all this off course applies as well ( and even more so) to those masses and masses of DECs we seem to be hiring at the moment!
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Yeah well, we just hired that ex CX B777 fleet chief also...
You remember, the one who did the low passes in Seattle and got the sack for it!
How is that for flying skills ey? (No too sure about the knowledge and CRM part though...time will tell)
Maybe QR is planning a stunt team for the future recruitment roadshows..That will attract people for sure!
You remember, the one who did the low passes in Seattle and got the sack for it!
How is that for flying skills ey? (No too sure about the knowledge and CRM part though...time will tell)
Maybe QR is planning a stunt team for the future recruitment roadshows..That will attract people for sure!
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Usual barrel of BS from Schneider, youre in QR not EK, yes EK,CX there may be pride going through the command but the guys ive seen getting through the process in QR are a joke. The command process in QR is easy, as long as u dont make a big f**k up.FOs I flew with who didnt have a clue passed easily,the good ones struggled. I remember a couple who I thought would fail for sure and they are now trainers. Wizz, Air Asia,Easyjet etc have as strict a regime as any,failures are as high there.
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Qr orders 140 airplanes /Air Asia 200 airplanes.
I just saw CP A320 he aske if i know any F/o want to get a job coz he just received 4 resignation in 1 day so he seams a bit warried . Its not hard to guess where those F/o s going. K.L nice la !!!!
Air Asia standards bad ? In QR we have 12 Air Asia pilots 5 Capt and 7 F/O they got a job in 5 star airline how come when there standard is bad ?
Sneidhertrophy learn before you talk and one day you can be a good Capt.
I just saw CP A320 he aske if i know any F/o want to get a job coz he just received 4 resignation in 1 day so he seams a bit warried . Its not hard to guess where those F/o s going. K.L nice la !!!!
Air Asia standards bad ? In QR we have 12 Air Asia pilots 5 Capt and 7 F/O they got a job in 5 star airline how come when there standard is bad ?
Sneidhertrophy learn before you talk and one day you can be a good Capt.
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Training in QR...well thats a story an sich....
Looking at that post here above from BNG, you must be talking of " O. bin Laden"....he is a piece indeed. Always wondered how he got through.
In the middle east its very easy guys...
Aim at the fact that you probably will finish in exactly the same position as the one you started at! Anything else should be seen as a bonus!
I was told this by a long term expat in the gulf...and in most cases it has been proven correct!
So you will get one shot in general at influencing your career here...when you get hired! Try to get there the seat and fleet you where aiming for. Accept anything else and you might be stuck forever!
Regarding the CX dude:
I do agree, we can use chaps like him around here. I have welcomed him aboard personally. Besides that: if CX always did a low pass in Seattle, how come this person was fired over it?
Ronaldo 330: stop the publicity machine about Air Asia please. What you are saying is BS on itself! AA has 200 planes as part of a preliminary deal so far. Financially they are not that sound anymore! But hey, I hope you will enjoy your time there....
About the ex air asia pilots here....nice one....why did they come here in the first place?Because they thought AA's future was so bright? Be serious Pllrrreeease! Just ask most of them what they prefer: QR or AA? Most of them will not go back even if you would beat them with a stick! Only one went back, nice chap, but he went back for a very strong personal motivation which had nothing to do with airlines themselves! Says enough I would say!
Vivace...not sure if I can agree with you there mate...Some people indeed did get through unrightfully so and others where failed for BS reasons, but all in all I have to say that once past that interview all the instructors do a great job in training the people up to the required standards. From the SIM to the Line training!
And please do not think EK is any better...just have friends going through their upgrades overthere and it is NOT better than what we see here. The only thing good about EK is that you get a set date to start training but that is all! CX, well,just go to the fragrant harbour forums and check it out. POLITICS GALLORE!
Looking at that post here above from BNG, you must be talking of " O. bin Laden"....he is a piece indeed. Always wondered how he got through.
In the middle east its very easy guys...
Aim at the fact that you probably will finish in exactly the same position as the one you started at! Anything else should be seen as a bonus!
I was told this by a long term expat in the gulf...and in most cases it has been proven correct!
So you will get one shot in general at influencing your career here...when you get hired! Try to get there the seat and fleet you where aiming for. Accept anything else and you might be stuck forever!
Regarding the CX dude:
I do agree, we can use chaps like him around here. I have welcomed him aboard personally. Besides that: if CX always did a low pass in Seattle, how come this person was fired over it?
Ronaldo 330: stop the publicity machine about Air Asia please. What you are saying is BS on itself! AA has 200 planes as part of a preliminary deal so far. Financially they are not that sound anymore! But hey, I hope you will enjoy your time there....
About the ex air asia pilots here....nice one
....why did they come here in the first place?Because they thought AA's future was so bright? Be serious Pllrrreeease! Just ask most of them what they prefer: QR or AA? Most of them will not go back even if you would beat them with a stick! Only one went back, nice chap, but he went back for a very strong personal motivation which had nothing to do with airlines themselves! Says enough I would say!Vivace...not sure if I can agree with you there mate...Some people indeed did get through unrightfully so and others where failed for BS reasons, but all in all I have to say that once past that interview all the instructors do a great job in training the people up to the required standards. From the SIM to the Line training!
And please do not think EK is any better...just have friends going through their upgrades overthere and it is NOT better than what we see here. The only thing good about EK is that you get a set date to start training but that is all! CX, well,just go to the fragrant harbour forums and check it out. POLITICS GALLORE!
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Q515 i see you are not long in QR if you are you would know that in AA we have 2 EX Capt from QR now on management position .
Qatari 515 for you QR is the best . Am sure you one of new Capt who goes around office and "help" for free expecting to get office work i seen it i know it .
Qatari 515 for you QR is the best . Am sure you one of new Capt who goes around office and "help" for free expecting to get office work i seen it i know it .
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Make another guess my iliterate friend...
The truth often lays in places you would expect it to be the least! Use your brain and you can see I have been here longer than you are (or should I say than you have been)! If that would matter at all...
My apologies for forgetting the first Capt who left QR to join AA's managment! That happend a while ago and he was here for such a short period anyhow nobody misses him, contrarely to the one who left two weeks ago! At least you are not arguing about the important facts, being that BOTH of them left to pursue a higher PERSONAL goal!
The truth often lays in places you would expect it to be the least! Use your brain and you can see I have been here longer than you are (or should I say than you have been)! If that would matter at all...
My apologies for forgetting the first Capt who left QR to join AA's managment! That happend a while ago and he was here for such a short period anyhow nobody misses him, contrarely to the one who left two weeks ago! At least you are not arguing about the important facts, being that BOTH of them left to pursue a higher PERSONAL goal!
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Oh Jeez same story on and on. When was it last time I've had a look at this crap? Ages that's right fellas you need to get away from all the smal talk, bloody useless and a waste of time. My applause to the crew performed RD or whatever it was. Take care, your slowly dying in indignity nowadays LHS chap.
There's more in life than bitching on pprune or aviation but the sandpit makes you blind I guess.
Don't take it personally take it on the rocks!!!
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There's more in life than bitching on pprune or aviation but the sandpit makes you blind I guess.
Don't take it personally take it on the rocks!!!
P.S. Off to the nice pub in the middle of Europe what could be better?
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515, smirinof
Q515 in QR when you resing you are justa number and no one will miss you only problem they have to get a new clown to work youre roster .
Smirinof if i remember you have a lot of posts on PPRUNE how come you changed youre mind now ?
QR the best ! long live Land Cruiser
Smirinof if i remember you have a lot of posts on PPRUNE how come you changed youre mind now ?
QR the best ! long live Land Cruiser