Flight deck positions at FlyDubai Master Thread - Merged
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Details about education benefits, including how FlyDubai and Emirates provide monthly or annual payments for this purpose; is it a perk offered by the company for employees with school-age children.
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Awesome!
I have been following this thread for about 3-4 years, since I started considering joining FZ. I will now spend some time to write my honest and simple personal review/feedback of my experience in the company, after being employed by FZ for almost 3 years.
Before I start, remind yourself that: ''The happiest people are not the ones with the best or the most things, or with zero problems, but those who most appreciate what they have and those who have the right attitude towards what life brings to them, either positive or negative''.
Short background:
I joined FZ the beginning of 2022 as type-rated F/O with 3.000 total hours and about 2.700 on type. I was flying for a pretty big European airline which was my first company. Although it was a really nice company, the reason I wanted to leave was due to the fact that during COVID the company was not paying on time, or not at all, and we were barely flying. The company was not looking good financially and apparently I did the right move joining FZ, as they shut down less than a year later. At exactly 2 years in FZ (company minimum for upgrade application), I applied for the command upgrade, passed everything and 2 months later I was already a Captain.
My FZ experience:
Since my very first interaction with FZ staff for my assessment, down to this day, I am super impressed with the friendliness, the simplicity, and the human touch that all people have. It is a very relaxed environment in the airline that starts from the offices, all the way to the cockpit.
There are many reasons for that I believe. The main is that the people feel stable and safe. There are no negative talks or misery about a company that is not doing well financially, and might shut down. The company is doing great, it is always expanding, it promotes its people, it pays very well, and it has many benefits that most employees never had in their previous environments.
Also the fact that 99% of the employees are expats (162 nationalities), creates a kind of a vibe that we are all here for a reason, and it creates empathy and teamwork, instead of a huge competitive feeling. At least that’s how it is between pilots. In my 2 years as a FO here, always flying with different captains, I must say that almost every single day I made new friends. There are so many amazing people working here. Flying here is a relaxed vibe (unlike other ME carriers), but at a very high standard.
Another great thing is the roster. There is a bidding system where you can bid your preferred flights before the roster comes out every month, and according to a rotational priority you get what you ask for. I didn’t even know that there are companies that have systems like that in my previous life. I thought we all fly IFR (I Fly Roster).
In the past it used to be very tough rostering in FZ, as the bidding was only about seniority, and there were no rotational groups. Now all pilots are divided into 5 groups, which they rotate every month and the roster comes out accordingly. You can request exactly the flights you want, and up to 3 days continuously OFF. Also you can giveaway flights and swap with other pilots. That’s how pilots end up having many days OFF continuously a month, I often see 10 days+ from swaps.
Personally I try getting the longest turnaround flights, logging 8-10 hours block in a day, and then having many days OFF between flights, instead of having too many short flights. Others like to bid for short flights, or for layovers, etc. The flexibility is great and I really love the roster. The only downside is that there are a lot of night flights, but with the bidding it is easier to avoid them. I have done very few of them in my time here. I would say average 2 a month. Some people complain that their rosters suck, but they have no clue how to bid properly. They place 10 bids and they expect to have amazing rosters.
For those who like layovers, we have a big variety of them. 24hrs, 48hrs, 72hrs. Asia (e.g Kazakhstan, Thailand, Malaysia etc), Europe ( Many in Italy, Budapest, Bucharest, Warsaw, Salszburg etc), Africa (Tanzania, Kenya etc).
My first year in the company I did 550 hours, second year I did 655, and Jan- Aug 2024 I have done 300 hours. So its not bad at all.
Also the annual leave is 42 days a year. 3 years of being here I always got what i bid for, summer holidays.
Salary wise:
F/O basic package without flight hours is about 9.000$, and its another 3.000$ if you fly 70 hours a month (44$ per hour).
CPT basic package is 13.300$ and 70 hours of flying would add another 4.300$ (63$ per hour).
The salary is not the best compared to the other ME carriers, but everything in life has a balance, I love working in a nice and relaxed environment and make a bit less, instead of making little more but working in a toxic environment that you are constantly worried about everything, and flying with a stick in your arse. You know very well what I am talking about.
There is also a provident fund that the company puts aside and invests every month a % of your basic salary. It's 10% of the basic part of the salary which is about 2.600aed CPT and 1.800aed FO. The % increases in increments after the 5th year in the company if I am not mistaken. It is not anything huge and does not compare to EKs fund but it is something the accumulates over time.
There are also a lot of benefits that we get here. The Emirates/Flydubai platinum card gives you discounts to thousands of restaurants, bars, services, etc in Dubai. Anything you can imagine. Also the APC card for pilots gives us access to so many gyms, beach clubs, hotels around Dubai.
Travelling is also super easy with MyID Travel. Especially living in Dubai you can travel the whole world very easy, on business class standby tickets.
FZ Training is also great, I hear that in the past it used to be super tough and sometimes unfair, but nowadays it is just on point. FZ uses the EBT system, which makes sim sessions super beneficial and realistic. TREs/TRIs are very experienced and looking at the big picture in a very fair and nice environment. I have learned much more during my 2.5 years in FZ compared to 6 years in my previous company. Brazilians have taken over FZ training which is amazing since they are very open minded aviators looking at training in a positive and relaxed manner. The company has been using CAE simulators in Dubai, making it super easy to just drive your car there and get it done (instead of flying out for sims like I did before). Now flydubai is just finishing building its own facility with its own simulators, in the company campus HQ.
Experience wise I would say that it is probably close to the best short/medium haul experience in the world a pilot can get. We fly the B737 at every edge of its operating envelope. We operate at: hot temperatures in the gulf, high elevation airports 7.000ft+, cold weather ops in Russia and Central Asia in the winter, monsoon weather systems avoidances in India, airports with zero facilities in Africa, then flying to the super organized European main airports, or the challenging Greek islands etc. There is literally a bit of everything, using all kind of supplementary procedures. After flydubai, one can easily fly anywhere else in the world very confidently.
Now living in Dubai:
It is an amazing place away from home. The weather is super awesome for 8-9 months a year. Sunny and nice beach weather. The other 3-4 months during the summer are tough, primarily due to the high humidity and heat. But you can’t have it all right?
You get a top quality of life, it is super safe, everything is clean, brand new, organised, digitalised online, customer service is top etc. It is an easy life. I am coming from Europe, so it is a great choice. I think it is much better than living in China, Africa, other parts of Asia etc. Also personally I wouldn’t want to live in the U.S. Yes there are negatives here like anywhere else in the world, like the air quality or some difficult cultures to deal with, but there is no perfection anywhere. It’s all about attitude.
Also, people say that it is expensive. Well yes and no. It is one of the best cities in the world, and yet it is not even in the top 30 most expensive. Due to the huge number of cultures here, you can do things even cheaper than Europe if you look at the right places. You don’t need to dine at the expensive 100th floor restaurants all the time. And about housing, you can get a brand new 100 square meters beautiful apartment with swimming pool, underground parking, gym, and all the amenities for less than 2.000$ a month. Would you get that in any of the biggest cities in the world right now for this budget? Probably not. So it’s still not that bad. Do your own research. BTW it is one of the best places in the world to start your online business, so many opportunities.
I felt the need to write this post because I saw a lot of inaccurate previous replies in the forum about FZ or Dubai. Remember that most happy people do not go and write posts in forums, it is usually the unhappy and negative ones that sit and spend time to write all their hate. Those who do not like it should just go where they think the grass is greener, and leave the space open for others to come, instead of crying all day. After flying with so many different people here, the vast majority of pilots are super happy and I can only count the ''crying'' ones in the fingers of one hand, and guess what. These are the ones that are here for 10 years+. Why dont they leave then?
All in all it is an amazing place to work nowadays, offering a great package, job security, and relaxed environment while living in one of the best cities in the world. I am super happy here and planning for at least 10 years.
P.S Once again, it is all about attitude!
Before I start, remind yourself that: ''The happiest people are not the ones with the best or the most things, or with zero problems, but those who most appreciate what they have and those who have the right attitude towards what life brings to them, either positive or negative''.
Short background:
I joined FZ the beginning of 2022 as type-rated F/O with 3.000 total hours and about 2.700 on type. I was flying for a pretty big European airline which was my first company. Although it was a really nice company, the reason I wanted to leave was due to the fact that during COVID the company was not paying on time, or not at all, and we were barely flying. The company was not looking good financially and apparently I did the right move joining FZ, as they shut down less than a year later. At exactly 2 years in FZ (company minimum for upgrade application), I applied for the command upgrade, passed everything and 2 months later I was already a Captain.
My FZ experience:
Since my very first interaction with FZ staff for my assessment, down to this day, I am super impressed with the friendliness, the simplicity, and the human touch that all people have. It is a very relaxed environment in the airline that starts from the offices, all the way to the cockpit.
There are many reasons for that I believe. The main is that the people feel stable and safe. There are no negative talks or misery about a company that is not doing well financially, and might shut down. The company is doing great, it is always expanding, it promotes its people, it pays very well, and it has many benefits that most employees never had in their previous environments.
Also the fact that 99% of the employees are expats (162 nationalities), creates a kind of a vibe that we are all here for a reason, and it creates empathy and teamwork, instead of a huge competitive feeling. At least that’s how it is between pilots. In my 2 years as a FO here, always flying with different captains, I must say that almost every single day I made new friends. There are so many amazing people working here. Flying here is a relaxed vibe (unlike other ME carriers), but at a very high standard.
Another great thing is the roster. There is a bidding system where you can bid your preferred flights before the roster comes out every month, and according to a rotational priority you get what you ask for. I didn’t even know that there are companies that have systems like that in my previous life. I thought we all fly IFR (I Fly Roster).
In the past it used to be very tough rostering in FZ, as the bidding was only about seniority, and there were no rotational groups. Now all pilots are divided into 5 groups, which they rotate every month and the roster comes out accordingly. You can request exactly the flights you want, and up to 3 days continuously OFF. Also you can giveaway flights and swap with other pilots. That’s how pilots end up having many days OFF continuously a month, I often see 10 days+ from swaps.
Personally I try getting the longest turnaround flights, logging 8-10 hours block in a day, and then having many days OFF between flights, instead of having too many short flights. Others like to bid for short flights, or for layovers, etc. The flexibility is great and I really love the roster. The only downside is that there are a lot of night flights, but with the bidding it is easier to avoid them. I have done very few of them in my time here. I would say average 2 a month. Some people complain that their rosters suck, but they have no clue how to bid properly. They place 10 bids and they expect to have amazing rosters.
For those who like layovers, we have a big variety of them. 24hrs, 48hrs, 72hrs. Asia (e.g Kazakhstan, Thailand, Malaysia etc), Europe ( Many in Italy, Budapest, Bucharest, Warsaw, Salszburg etc), Africa (Tanzania, Kenya etc).
My first year in the company I did 550 hours, second year I did 655, and Jan- Aug 2024 I have done 300 hours. So its not bad at all.
Also the annual leave is 42 days a year. 3 years of being here I always got what i bid for, summer holidays.
Salary wise:
F/O basic package without flight hours is about 9.000$, and its another 3.000$ if you fly 70 hours a month (44$ per hour).
CPT basic package is 13.300$ and 70 hours of flying would add another 4.300$ (63$ per hour).
The salary is not the best compared to the other ME carriers, but everything in life has a balance, I love working in a nice and relaxed environment and make a bit less, instead of making little more but working in a toxic environment that you are constantly worried about everything, and flying with a stick in your arse. You know very well what I am talking about.
There is also a provident fund that the company puts aside and invests every month a % of your basic salary. It's 10% of the basic part of the salary which is about 2.600aed CPT and 1.800aed FO. The % increases in increments after the 5th year in the company if I am not mistaken. It is not anything huge and does not compare to EKs fund but it is something the accumulates over time.
There are also a lot of benefits that we get here. The Emirates/Flydubai platinum card gives you discounts to thousands of restaurants, bars, services, etc in Dubai. Anything you can imagine. Also the APC card for pilots gives us access to so many gyms, beach clubs, hotels around Dubai.
Travelling is also super easy with MyID Travel. Especially living in Dubai you can travel the whole world very easy, on business class standby tickets.
FZ Training is also great, I hear that in the past it used to be super tough and sometimes unfair, but nowadays it is just on point. FZ uses the EBT system, which makes sim sessions super beneficial and realistic. TREs/TRIs are very experienced and looking at the big picture in a very fair and nice environment. I have learned much more during my 2.5 years in FZ compared to 6 years in my previous company. Brazilians have taken over FZ training which is amazing since they are very open minded aviators looking at training in a positive and relaxed manner. The company has been using CAE simulators in Dubai, making it super easy to just drive your car there and get it done (instead of flying out for sims like I did before). Now flydubai is just finishing building its own facility with its own simulators, in the company campus HQ.
Experience wise I would say that it is probably close to the best short/medium haul experience in the world a pilot can get. We fly the B737 at every edge of its operating envelope. We operate at: hot temperatures in the gulf, high elevation airports 7.000ft+, cold weather ops in Russia and Central Asia in the winter, monsoon weather systems avoidances in India, airports with zero facilities in Africa, then flying to the super organized European main airports, or the challenging Greek islands etc. There is literally a bit of everything, using all kind of supplementary procedures. After flydubai, one can easily fly anywhere else in the world very confidently.
Now living in Dubai:
It is an amazing place away from home. The weather is super awesome for 8-9 months a year. Sunny and nice beach weather. The other 3-4 months during the summer are tough, primarily due to the high humidity and heat. But you can’t have it all right?
You get a top quality of life, it is super safe, everything is clean, brand new, organised, digitalised online, customer service is top etc. It is an easy life. I am coming from Europe, so it is a great choice. I think it is much better than living in China, Africa, other parts of Asia etc. Also personally I wouldn’t want to live in the U.S. Yes there are negatives here like anywhere else in the world, like the air quality or some difficult cultures to deal with, but there is no perfection anywhere. It’s all about attitude.
Also, people say that it is expensive. Well yes and no. It is one of the best cities in the world, and yet it is not even in the top 30 most expensive. Due to the huge number of cultures here, you can do things even cheaper than Europe if you look at the right places. You don’t need to dine at the expensive 100th floor restaurants all the time. And about housing, you can get a brand new 100 square meters beautiful apartment with swimming pool, underground parking, gym, and all the amenities for less than 2.000$ a month. Would you get that in any of the biggest cities in the world right now for this budget? Probably not. So it’s still not that bad. Do your own research. BTW it is one of the best places in the world to start your online business, so many opportunities.
I felt the need to write this post because I saw a lot of inaccurate previous replies in the forum about FZ or Dubai. Remember that most happy people do not go and write posts in forums, it is usually the unhappy and negative ones that sit and spend time to write all their hate. Those who do not like it should just go where they think the grass is greener, and leave the space open for others to come, instead of crying all day. After flying with so many different people here, the vast majority of pilots are super happy and I can only count the ''crying'' ones in the fingers of one hand, and guess what. These are the ones that are here for 10 years+. Why dont they leave then?
All in all it is an amazing place to work nowadays, offering a great package, job security, and relaxed environment while living in one of the best cities in the world. I am super happy here and planning for at least 10 years.
P.S Once again, it is all about attitude!
I did the interview for FO in 2022 but unfortunately I didn’t make it. Now flying as a captain, and I hope I can try again soon as DEC.
Safe skies man! 👊🏾
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From: UAE
JG1 Climb150 Desertboki Fake post? Planted recruitment message? Maybe flat earth also? 🤣 Message me in private, i have no issue showing you who i am and how I enjoy my life here and in general.
Once again, it's all about attitude.
So many crying babies around. One day we will all leave this planet, better not with a grumpy face.
CMD_ENGD Thanks man, hope they open DEC soon and you make it in!
Once again, it's all about attitude.
So many crying babies around. One day we will all leave this planet, better not with a grumpy face.
CMD_ENGD Thanks man, hope they open DEC soon and you make it in!
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From: Mexico City
JG1 Climb150 Desertboki Fake post? Planted recruitment message? Maybe flat earth also? 🤣 Message me in private, i have no issue showing you who i am and how I enjoy my life here and in general.
Once again, it's all about attitude.
So many crying babies around. One day we will all leave this planet, better not with a grumpy face.
CMD_ENGD Thanks man, hope they open DEC soon and you make it in!
Once again, it's all about attitude.
So many crying babies around. One day we will all leave this planet, better not with a grumpy face.
CMD_ENGD Thanks man, hope they open DEC soon and you make it in!
It reads like a communication team wrote it not a line pilot.
All in all it is an amazing place to work nowadays, offering a great package, job security, and relaxed environment while living in one of the best cities in the world. I am super happy here and planning for at least 10 years.
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From: UAE
Maybe, just saying maybe, accept the fact that there are happy people out there, unlike grumpy negative people always looking at half the glass?
This thread is to provide insights for FZ, and that's exactly what I did, through my personal experience and view of it. Instead of thanking me for spending the time to write such a long post you bring your misery over because the way I write is proper. LOL.
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From: Mexico City
And how does a "line pilot" write? How must an "average person" write, for you? Man no offense but that way if thinking is weird. Stereotypes, suspicion, and negativity.
Go to trip advisor or other review website and start reading. It is pretty easy to tell what is a genuine review and what has been written by a PR team/communications major.
The fact that you need clarification on this leads me to believe someone other than you wrote that review. Unless you are a PR person?
Also, all your posts are about Flydubai. Have you worked anywhere else?
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From: UAE
I will tell you how people write.
Go to trip advisor or other review website and start reading. It is pretty easy to tell what is a genuine review and what has been written by a PR team/communications major.
The fact that you need clarification on this leads me to believe someone other than you wrote that review. Unless you are a PR person?
Also, all your posts are about Flydubai. Have you worked anywhere else?
Go to trip advisor or other review website and start reading. It is pretty easy to tell what is a genuine review and what has been written by a PR team/communications major.
The fact that you need clarification on this leads me to believe someone other than you wrote that review. Unless you are a PR person?
Also, all your posts are about Flydubai. Have you worked anywhere else?
As I said, you can DM me if you want to know more.
And of course I have worked elsewhere before, one more airline, and guess what? I was very happy there too, even when some people were complaining.
It's all about your attitude mate.
I will not answer further to that.
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NTR takes time compared to rated pilots, biggest constrain is training slots. They usually call NTR candidates by batches. I would say be patient.
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One more…
Living in Wonderland is not realistic and does not project the right situation and may lead to frustrations once having taken the job.
Rosters: someone mentioned that you can request exactly the flights you want, and that you can construct your own roster. This is misleading: you can request it yes, but there are more months where they won’t award them. In crew scheduling words: “it’s a flight preference system, not an obligation from the company”. And I know how to make my bidding.
So realistically, expect tiring frequent flip flops of night-day-night majority of the months (standard in the Gulf region). Just 1-2 months every 5 is good or very good. Not acceptable in the long run. Cumulative over the years. Hard to cope with if you have kids, and worse as you get older. With the current rostering system, your rosters won’t improve significantly as you gain seniority. Can’t imagine this for another 20 years. It’s the main (almost the only) reason why I am considering leaving this company/region in the medium-long run.
There is no yearly pay increment, nothing. A guy who has been 14 years in the company makes the same as a new hire.
Someone said EK Captain makes 4000AED more a month. Not true, housing allowance alone is more than 5000AED higher. Basic is a lot higher which contributes to provident fund/end of service benefit, higher salary during months of low productivity like when you are on leave… etc. Bonuses significantly higher too.
Those coming from Europe, exchange rate is now favorable for you, but look at the historical exchange and do the maths if we go back to 2010 levels… not so attractive.
They have just modified the sick policy where days off adjacent to your sick day are discounted from your 15 day full pay count. So if I am sick on day 1 and have 4 days off afterwards, they count total 5 days of sickness. After 15 days of sickness, your pay goes to half. After another 30, no pay at all. So don’t brake any bones next time you go skiing in Georgia.
Health insurance, slightly worse over the 10 years I have been here. Pray you don’t have anything serious, or you’ll end up with an outrageous bill. Big business in Dubai.
LTC’s get paid peanuts for the amount of duty hours they do and the responsibility they have. Instead of paying them more, they now award them with a layover of their choice a month, and/or days off. Some trainers have preference over vacation bidding too. So less desirable choices for the regular line pilots.
The worse thing if you ask me, is that the company is extremely reactive instead of proactive, in all areas, including fatigue and safety, HR policies, compensation… We already had an accident in 2016, and only then took a few things more seriously. But there are so many things that lean in the same direction again…
It’s all about the attitude, and you won’t hear me complain in the flight deck. I hated when I flew with some guys who had been longer in this or former companies and spent the flight venting out their nightmares, so I learnt the lesson. However, creating unrealistic expectations is not helping the candidate make a wise choice either.
Having said this, the environment in the FD is generally pretty good, so it’s often a relaxed day at work. No fear as long as you don’t do anything stupid.
We are also extremely lucky with our CEO, who is a gentleman, and has looked after his employees beyond what anyone could have imagined.
Environment and destinations are challenging, which is super nice to expand your expertise and comfort zone. After this company, you could fly 737 anywhere. Procedures and training quality (not quantity so much) are pretty good. We have some brilliant brains in training management.
However, some people think we keep flying to destinations that have a very elevated risk for aircraft/pax/crews after situation escalations. Take that into consideration too.
I am happy overall and enjoy my day to day because I put my focus on the things that work for me, for now. But I am not blind, nor stupid.
Would I recommend flydubai? Probably yes, as long as you know and accept the downsides, and I know too that it’s not for everyone.
Blue skies everyone
Rosters: someone mentioned that you can request exactly the flights you want, and that you can construct your own roster. This is misleading: you can request it yes, but there are more months where they won’t award them. In crew scheduling words: “it’s a flight preference system, not an obligation from the company”. And I know how to make my bidding.
So realistically, expect tiring frequent flip flops of night-day-night majority of the months (standard in the Gulf region). Just 1-2 months every 5 is good or very good. Not acceptable in the long run. Cumulative over the years. Hard to cope with if you have kids, and worse as you get older. With the current rostering system, your rosters won’t improve significantly as you gain seniority. Can’t imagine this for another 20 years. It’s the main (almost the only) reason why I am considering leaving this company/region in the medium-long run.
There is no yearly pay increment, nothing. A guy who has been 14 years in the company makes the same as a new hire.
Someone said EK Captain makes 4000AED more a month. Not true, housing allowance alone is more than 5000AED higher. Basic is a lot higher which contributes to provident fund/end of service benefit, higher salary during months of low productivity like when you are on leave… etc. Bonuses significantly higher too.
Those coming from Europe, exchange rate is now favorable for you, but look at the historical exchange and do the maths if we go back to 2010 levels… not so attractive.
They have just modified the sick policy where days off adjacent to your sick day are discounted from your 15 day full pay count. So if I am sick on day 1 and have 4 days off afterwards, they count total 5 days of sickness. After 15 days of sickness, your pay goes to half. After another 30, no pay at all. So don’t brake any bones next time you go skiing in Georgia.
Health insurance, slightly worse over the 10 years I have been here. Pray you don’t have anything serious, or you’ll end up with an outrageous bill. Big business in Dubai.
LTC’s get paid peanuts for the amount of duty hours they do and the responsibility they have. Instead of paying them more, they now award them with a layover of their choice a month, and/or days off. Some trainers have preference over vacation bidding too. So less desirable choices for the regular line pilots.
The worse thing if you ask me, is that the company is extremely reactive instead of proactive, in all areas, including fatigue and safety, HR policies, compensation… We already had an accident in 2016, and only then took a few things more seriously. But there are so many things that lean in the same direction again…
It’s all about the attitude, and you won’t hear me complain in the flight deck. I hated when I flew with some guys who had been longer in this or former companies and spent the flight venting out their nightmares, so I learnt the lesson. However, creating unrealistic expectations is not helping the candidate make a wise choice either.
Having said this, the environment in the FD is generally pretty good, so it’s often a relaxed day at work. No fear as long as you don’t do anything stupid.
We are also extremely lucky with our CEO, who is a gentleman, and has looked after his employees beyond what anyone could have imagined.
Environment and destinations are challenging, which is super nice to expand your expertise and comfort zone. After this company, you could fly 737 anywhere. Procedures and training quality (not quantity so much) are pretty good. We have some brilliant brains in training management.
However, some people think we keep flying to destinations that have a very elevated risk for aircraft/pax/crews after situation escalations. Take that into consideration too.
I am happy overall and enjoy my day to day because I put my focus on the things that work for me, for now. But I am not blind, nor stupid.
Would I recommend flydubai? Probably yes, as long as you know and accept the downsides, and I know too that it’s not for everyone.
Blue skies everyone
Last edited by Clippergoldeneagle; 14th October 2024 at 19:28.
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From: UAE
That was me that said EK skippers don’t “earn significantly” more than FZ.
me and my neighbor both work for FZ & EK and compared payslips…
yes he might earn 5,000 more in accommodation allowance, but I beat him in flight pay by about 15K so the bottom line “Net” EK took around 4,000 AED more than me in the bank.
call me crazy but that is not “Significantly more” in my humble opinion.
If an EK skipper is forced in to company accommodation and loses the huge accommodation allowance then FZ skippers have a huge advantage over what actually ends up in the bank, which is what we are all here for.
me and my neighbor both work for FZ & EK and compared payslips…
yes he might earn 5,000 more in accommodation allowance, but I beat him in flight pay by about 15K so the bottom line “Net” EK took around 4,000 AED more than me in the bank.
call me crazy but that is not “Significantly more” in my humble opinion.
If an EK skipper is forced in to company accommodation and loses the huge accommodation allowance then FZ skippers have a huge advantage over what actually ends up in the bank, which is what we are all here for.
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From: Mumbai Radio
I saw a manual with what it seems to be an "Accelerated command" program. It seems that they will no longer hire DECs, but hire experienced captains to upgrade them later on after a while as FOs.
It is happening that the airline has 100+ 737MAX orders which won't be fulfilled by Boeing anytime soon. If you look up the news you'll find that the airline has considered bringing chinese aircraft to the fleet as they had to cancel new destinations due to delivery delays already. I don't think any actual hiring will take place until the end of Q1/2025 to be honest...
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From: Below the tropopause
Do NOT expect DEC’s. At least not for a looooooong time. Upgrading FO’s is the only way forward. B787 will be crewed by flydubai staff from what I hear on the flight deck , not external. Upgrade process has changed from Jan 2025 forward. You will now ‘auto-enrol’. Six months prior to you meeting the eligibility criteria you will be added to the program. This will give you enough time to prepare. Based on seniority and qualification. So you can easily guess when you can expect your interview I guess. More well train you to proficiency ethos. Coaching sessions added (ground and inflight) and more sims and more days off in between. New indeed is the Accelerated Command course. If you have previous command time (500hrs PIC on a jet over 50 tonnes), you can apply for it straight after joining. I think this is implemented because we have quite a few FO’s with command time on 320/777/787. This is one of 8 criteria to meet, similar to the new and becoming the norm, upgrade criteria. Seems a very good step forward from what my FO’s tell me.