Saudi Arabian Recruitment 747 classics

[MMS]

Dear Fellow pilots,

Saudi Arabian are recruiting F/O's for the 747 classic fleet.....Any advice from pilots flying out there in Saudi, or who have had experiences, good or bad? How is the CRM in the company?

Cheers!

[mutt]

How is the CRM in the company?

What a strange question.... I would have thought that questions about destinations, layovers, rosters, roster stability, training, housing, salary etc would be more important..... Guess that i was wrong

Mutt

[MMS]

well, you have an interesting point. But for me, those are secondary matters. What really matters are the people whom i may be working with and the atmosphere which they have/create as flight crew.

[wonder]

I guess CRM does not exist over there.

[MDDog]

Are you serious?

[mutt]

I guess CRM does not exist over there

How did you come to that conclusion?

MMS, with over 300 crew on that fleet alone, you will find all kinds of attitudes But the easy answer is that if you are that concerned about who you will work with, then dont apply, the job isnt for you.

Mutt

[hjmemon]

Hi MMS,
I would like to know where and how can I apply to Saudi?
Thanks

[mutt]

As a 19 year old foreign national, you cant apply to them. Sorry but you dont meet the requirements.


Mutt

[hjmemon]

Well, I know its bit silly but I was asking it on my dad's behalf, (Also a Pilot, current on 747 Classics and more than 14000 Total time).
I shall appreciate if any one can give the contact info for applying in SV.

Thanks

[mutt]

http://sv.net/apps/rec/FO_default.asp

Mutt

[piloton]

I was an F/O on the MD-11 with Saudia, the first 8 months were like what am I doing here, but i can tell you one thing.... it has been the best job of my life, the Saudis are different but once they get to know you they will give you their own food plate.

why I left was just because there are no upgrades if you join as an F/O and the compound it's like a ghost town specially if you have children, but overall was a very very good experience, specially if you know MUTT....

[MMS]

its very pleasent to hear of good experiences! Thanks for taking the time to write your thoughts!

The recruitment advert is on their website.

[metro301]

They now have karate, swimming lessons and baseball for the kids. If they are still young there is a playschool in the compound. My 4 1/2 year old is loving it. Teenagers may be a tougher issue though.

Everyone is different but the positives far outweigh the negatives for my family and I.

[bumba]

... anybody knows if they are hiring right now and can somebody confirm there is no up-grade to CPT if you join as FO? thanks

[mutt]

Hiring = Only for A320 left seat and corporate both seats.

Upgrade to Captain......... umm, it happens in line with seniority but with 900 in the list ahead you it will take a long long time...... Plus when you time comes, there is no guarantee that they wont pick a national instead of you..

Mutt

[Samiadam]

Let me tell you one thing. Saudia is fair in the way it deals with many pilots from different nationalties. When, the time comes for upgrade and by the way, that wont happen before ten years, they will make an evaluation to you. If you have good knowledge and attitude, they will upgrade you. If not , they will keep you a FO on 747 as they did with so many who dont deserve to be commanders.

cheers

sami

[Samiadam]

i disagree with you mutt. based on seniorty when the time comes( in Saudia its about 10 yrs), they will make an evaluation regardless of nationality and if he passes , he will start his upgrade training at thier local training centre. just like how they did an evaluation to many foreign FOs on 741 and many of them failed. however two of them passed. at the end, not everyone can be a commander. right

sami

[thlokaka]

i hope i amnot too late answering you questions

regarding the CRM ... the company is trying really hard on every aspect to have that running in the cockpit and it is running i would say up to 80%

for upgrade as colleages said above it is seniority BUT the policy says upon OPERATION REQUIREMENT

and beleive me we have so many nonsaudis they were FO and now the are captains and i know some of them being with the company for more than 20 years I AM SERIOUS

i am FO on B747 right now and i am telling you truth from inside with all respects to some who said negative things

i hope i was a little help to you

wish you the best always

SAUDIA is expanding hugely and will always need crew

FO B747 CLASSIC

[Samiadam]

Saudia is not really expanding. They are grounding thier 747s C and Md 90s. Its really just a fleet renewal with no expansion.

Sam

[mutt]

Its really just a fleet renewal with no expansion.

grounding 44 aircraft, introducing 82 aircraft.......and thats before cargo starts its replacement program.... wouldn't you consider that an expansion?

mutt