Annual Leave Tickets not Confirmed in QA!!
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i received a strange, badly written, rather amateursitic message in my AIMS inbox stating that all policies remained the same regarding flight deck staff travel.
Well, at least thats the only thing I could make of the message.
Well, at least thats the only thing I could make of the message.
LOL , I hope so.
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Black Stain..Even housemaid in Doha received a real confirmed ticket by their sponsor to travel back home....Not us apparently..!
What's next...well i guess we gone lose soon or later the transport allowance (1500 qr/month) as now we have a parking.As this allowance was introduced following parking problem here.Surprised we still have it...!
No worry i guess soon or later each of us we are going to recieve a personnal notice telling us that we have been "overpaid" by 1500 Qr/month from such a date till such a date.. and they gone deduct it from our salary for the next 24 months or whatever.....
Just a matter of time...
What's next...well i guess we gone lose soon or later the transport allowance (1500 qr/month) as now we have a parking.As this allowance was introduced following parking problem here.Surprised we still have it...!
No worry i guess soon or later each of us we are going to recieve a personnal notice telling us that we have been "overpaid" by 1500 Qr/month from such a date till such a date.. and they gone deduct it from our salary for the next 24 months or whatever.....
Just a matter of time...
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salamalikum2, you are wrong the transport allowance was there way before the parking problem it's because we have no transport provide by the company thats all.
Now can somebody explain the concept fror the day off that we work? of course with my job that when they will call me of make me work on my day off I will not stay in doha. Is it when they call you where you are?? of if your day off was off station???
Now can somebody explain the concept fror the day off that we work? of course with my job that when they will call me of make me work on my day off I will not stay in doha. Is it when they call you where you are?? of if your day off was off station???
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Right: well yes and no...
Transport allowance has been increased 1.5 year back by 1000QR following car parking problem..(people had to take taxi to come to work...).It use to be 400 or 500Qr/month for long time.
Otherwise i don't see any reason to increase transport allowance: gas hasn't increased...that's probably the only think here.
( sorry it has increased by 0.1 Qr/liter ..5.. years back,but still..).
Days off "compensation" allowance in Doha or down Route eventhough they have the same denomination are 2 DIFFERENT thinks.
-Compensation In Doha: In case they call you for a duty on a day off when you are at home in Doha and you accept to fly. (you get 1.5/30 of your monthly basic per days off "cancelled" or posponed).
-compensation Down route: In case on your Roster you have a "days off" mentioned during your layover.(you get 0.5/30 of your basic per days OFF).
Nothing to do with being called or not for duty.
Transport allowance has been increased 1.5 year back by 1000QR following car parking problem..(people had to take taxi to come to work...).It use to be 400 or 500Qr/month for long time.
Otherwise i don't see any reason to increase transport allowance: gas hasn't increased...that's probably the only think here.
( sorry it has increased by 0.1 Qr/liter ..5.. years back,but still..).Days off "compensation" allowance in Doha or down Route eventhough they have the same denomination are 2 DIFFERENT thinks.
-Compensation In Doha: In case they call you for a duty on a day off when you are at home in Doha and you accept to fly. (you get 1.5/30 of your monthly basic per days off "cancelled" or posponed).
-compensation Down route: In case on your Roster you have a "days off" mentioned during your layover.(you get 0.5/30 of your basic per days OFF).
Nothing to do with being called or not for duty.
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QR
There is always a way :
No direct routing
Low level high speed
gear,flaps at 3000 FT
Delay flight
no capt discretion
We can make airline to spend more $$$ then anyone can imagine .
If ailrine dont care how will i get home during my leave or how much i pay the school fees and how much do i rent house or hows my roster and if airline want to make captian and F/o as Karwa drivers and cabin crew is somthing given by god ,if ailrine dont care the $ goes down and oure salary is devaluated for 35 % in 2 y why should we care about airline money.
No direct routing
Low level high speed
gear,flaps at 3000 FT
Delay flight
no capt discretion
We can make airline to spend more $$$ then anyone can imagine .
If ailrine dont care how will i get home during my leave or how much i pay the school fees and how much do i rent house or hows my roster and if airline want to make captian and F/o as Karwa drivers and cabin crew is somthing given by god ,if ailrine dont care the $ goes down and oure salary is devaluated for 35 % in 2 y why should we care about airline money.
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In Q.A in 7 y i saw 6 GMFO ,11 CP,3 CT ,.....
We have management which change with weather .
Only one person served long time Mr Salia K ( its becouse he didnt saw the day light ) he is always so deep and its so dark inside .
Every year we have new people promising us things will change we will do this and that but O is done .After 1-2 y they are gone and online tell you how QR is bad and so on but they where there all full of motivation just same time a go .
Change will only happen when the source of problem is removed (terminated) !
We have management which change with weather .
Only one person served long time Mr Salia K ( its becouse he didnt saw the day light ) he is always so deep and its so dark inside .
Every year we have new people promising us things will change we will do this and that but O is done .After 1-2 y they are gone and online tell you how QR is bad and so on but they where there all full of motivation just same time a go .
Change will only happen when the source of problem is removed (terminated) !
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Secret instructions
Dear Pilots, beware that few pilots tried to travel on their annual leave using the "confirmed" A.L.Ticket, and they were not allowed.
the counter staff told them they have a memo from the space control manager that no confirmed seats fore deck crew !!
As a result, 1 capt. family were denied boarding to Tripoli (travelled on the 3rd trial), another f/o family to IAD offloaded after being accepted initially!! but travelled next day! another capt family were forced to wait till 50 minutes before T/O to Amman, but travelled after seats were available!!!
It seems that some "secret" instructions are still there not to consider our confirmed seats!!
I hope any "Manager" or Chief Pilot would talk to the CEO to re-issue the instructions of our seats being confirmed (Again).
P.S. All these events happened last week.
the counter staff told them they have a memo from the space control manager that no confirmed seats fore deck crew !!
As a result, 1 capt. family were denied boarding to Tripoli (travelled on the 3rd trial), another f/o family to IAD offloaded after being accepted initially!! but travelled next day! another capt family were forced to wait till 50 minutes before T/O to Amman, but travelled after seats were available!!!
It seems that some "secret" instructions are still there not to consider our confirmed seats!!
I hope any "Manager" or Chief Pilot would talk to the CEO to re-issue the instructions of our seats being confirmed (Again).
P.S. All these events happened last week.
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This is normal, and if you would have been here long enough you would know what happened here.
Crazy manager sends out memo one month ago whereby it is being said that there are no more confirmed seats!
This guy is new at the job and thinks he can change the world, so he act like a chicken without a head, and issues this memo without checking contracts or even the employees manual!
One week later he gets pulled back because the company realizes the damage done. We receive a dodgy message in AIMS saying that no changes in policy are there for FD crew.
Crazy manager is pissed of, so he " forgets" to send an amendment to his previous message to all ground stations!
Crew still stuck on rare occasions.
If this would ever happen to me, or to you, the solution is very simple:
1) Ask responsible at the counter for a written copy of the memo.
2) Call your CP (his deputy, the secretary, whatever) and tell him what has happened.
3) Tell him as well that you will be at home having a beer, awaiting the final solution for this problem.
You will see how fast things can move around here as long as you pull the correct strings!
There is a reasons we have confirmed tickets home guys....its because we are a little bit less replacable on our flights than for example cabin crew!
This is the only way they can be sure we are back on time!
We also have the legal right, according to our contracts AND the Qatari labour law, to go home once a year and this HAS to be done with a normal confirmed ticket for you AND your family!
Now one of the newly hired hot shots wants to change that single handedly...fine...let him do that! But he will have to face the consequences for his actions!
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Crazy manager sends out memo one month ago whereby it is being said that there are no more confirmed seats!
This guy is new at the job and thinks he can change the world, so he act like a chicken without a head, and issues this memo without checking contracts or even the employees manual!
One week later he gets pulled back because the company realizes the damage done. We receive a dodgy message in AIMS saying that no changes in policy are there for FD crew.
Crazy manager is pissed of, so he " forgets" to send an amendment to his previous message to all ground stations!
Crew still stuck on rare occasions.
If this would ever happen to me, or to you, the solution is very simple:
1) Ask responsible at the counter for a written copy of the memo.
2) Call your CP (his deputy, the secretary, whatever) and tell him what has happened.
3) Tell him as well that you will be at home having a beer, awaiting the final solution for this problem.
You will see how fast things can move around here as long as you pull the correct strings!
There is a reasons we have confirmed tickets home guys....its because we are a little bit less replacable on our flights than for example cabin crew!
This is the only way they can be sure we are back on time!
We also have the legal right, according to our contracts AND the Qatari labour law, to go home once a year and this HAS to be done with a normal confirmed ticket for you AND your family!
Now one of the newly hired hot shots wants to change that single handedly...fine...let him do that! But he will have to face the consequences for his actions!
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Dear Clostermann,
Your plan will work if you are returning from home to DOH for work, but I feel sad when I hear about a these pilots who tried to leave DOH on their annual leave and lose few days trying to board a plane.
I still think that we sheould get a "non dodgy" clear official letter recently dated and sign by a the CEO, Ground Handling Manager or EVAPO to have in our hands to avoid any problems.
Your plan will work if you are returning from home to DOH for work, but I feel sad when I hear about a these pilots who tried to leave DOH on their annual leave and lose few days trying to board a plane.
I still think that we sheould get a "non dodgy" clear official letter recently dated and sign by a the CEO, Ground Handling Manager or EVAPO to have in our hands to avoid any problems.
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For some reason I only ever experienced problems when traveling out of Doha.
Staff travel in Doha, except for maybe one guy, is really useless!
The only thing which sometimes help is to DEMAND to see the manager on duty and show him any memo we have. I always have with me the famous 2007 letter as well as a print out of that letter we had directed to us via the crew login system.
This usually helps out of Doha...
But I agree, a renewed and straight forward letter from the management would/could do wonders!
Maybe a good introduction for our newly joined Captain Bill!
Staff travel in Doha, except for maybe one guy, is really useless!
The only thing which sometimes help is to DEMAND to see the manager on duty and show him any memo we have. I always have with me the famous 2007 letter as well as a print out of that letter we had directed to us via the crew login system.
This usually helps out of Doha...
But I agree, a renewed and straight forward letter from the management would/could do wonders!
Maybe a good introduction for our newly joined Captain Bill!
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Forget Qatari labor law, my friend. It has never been proved to apply to QR. It does not apply to housemaids, laborers, security guards, agricultural workers...and 'quasi government departments'. What % of the 800,000 workers here do you think do not fit into these categories? Hmmm. Otherwise many other things would not be allowed either.
So spare a thought for the other 'n' thousand non flight deck employees who have never had any letter to wave and have had to put up with the offload threat on every occasion in the past, and will continue to do so in the future.
So spare a thought for the other 'n' thousand non flight deck employees who have never had any letter to wave and have had to put up with the offload threat on every occasion in the past, and will continue to do so in the future.
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Orry face....lighten up mate!
Taking the burden of the whole world on your shoulders will not change anything, it will only give you a pre-mature hart attack!
And please forgive me when I say that the only thing I care about being stuck here is to get my family home and back on a well deserved holiday!
If that means using my privileges as Shneidertrophy pointed out, I will gladly do so!
Its a though world!
Taking the burden of the whole world on your shoulders will not change anything, it will only give you a pre-mature hart attack!
And please forgive me when I say that the only thing I care about being stuck here is to get my family home and back on a well deserved holiday!
If that means using my privileges as Shneidertrophy pointed out, I will gladly do so!
Its a though world!
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H Class What ...
Hi every one ...so now we can fly with a confirm tektite but you have to get a seat in H class .........IF and only IF seats are available in that class so how many H class is there for each flight ...it is a 90% if the H class is not available
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Now the memo is there, so all the rumors were true, they are unhappy to give us confirmed seat, and stripping us up of this privilege!
To understand what is H class: it is the cheapest price available when the flight is just open for sale, if you are early enough you may catch it before it is sold out, then the Y class (more expensive) then the N class (much more) and they are all in Economy class (coach).
What will happen to you and your family when you try to book your annual leave and the H class is sold out? Or it is in the memo: buy a full fare commercial ticket ! or try your luck with ID 90 !!!
OH REALLY?? That is great. It will be in effect from September 1st. 2008, so if you are planning an annual leave after that date, good luck.
At the end of the memo a little reminder for us not even to try all year around to get tickets on some mentioned destinations,
I am lucky that I used my annual leave ticket already, as for the next year I will not be here to suffer for my annual leave.
To understand what is H class: it is the cheapest price available when the flight is just open for sale, if you are early enough you may catch it before it is sold out, then the Y class (more expensive) then the N class (much more) and they are all in Economy class (coach).
What will happen to you and your family when you try to book your annual leave and the H class is sold out? Or it is in the memo: buy a full fare commercial ticket ! or try your luck with ID 90 !!!
OH REALLY?? That is great. It will be in effect from September 1st. 2008, so if you are planning an annual leave after that date, good luck.
At the end of the memo a little reminder for us not even to try all year around to get tickets on some mentioned destinations,
I am lucky that I used my annual leave ticket already, as for the next year I will not be here to suffer for my annual leave.
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Annual leave=Unconfirm Ticket??? well guys its already happen to me and my family in 2006, i filed a report..three times. (cc.toGMFO cc Chief Pilot. cc.HR...)..Result=WHO CARES!!??...
Well at least i'm an ousiders now....good luck guys
Well at least i'm an ousiders now....good luck guys