Annual Leave Tickets not Confirmed in QA!!
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[FONT='Arial','sans-serif']As far as I am concerned, I still have the June 2007 memo clearly stating that my annual leave ticket IS confirmed!
I carry it with me until the date I receive a superseding memo from MY management!
If now somebody wants my seat on my way back from annual leave, fine ...TAKE IT!
Ill stay home a bit longer, send an email to my CP that I was bumped of the flight regardless of my confirmed seat. Let’s hope they still have a standby to do my flight then!
These people should start realizing that all their idiot changes of rules can have HUGE consequences!
A laborer, as per his contract, gets one confirmed ticket home every 2 or 3 years. But his ticket is confirmed as this is part of the Qatari labor law.
As a flight deck crew member, since I am contracted as skilled laborers, I am entitled for one confirmed ticket home per year for me and my family.
This is NOT a QR thing, it is the Qatari Labor law!
The only privilege QR gives me is that I can get an F ticket in case there are seats available. But that is ALL they CAN revoke!
So BIG HR hotshots, go on and continue to act in your unprofessional amateuristic way of doing things.
But be ready to face the consequences of your acts!
The whole staff travel thing is BS anyway. QR acts like they are doing us a great favor!
Think about it...staff travelers only occupy seats which would have been left empty anyway when travelling on ID90/ID50.
So here we are, paying 10% or 50% of the actual HIGHEST ticket price in the system.
We are the ones making money for the airline here, at least they get some money for their seat!
And now, it is not there to cover the price of the catering on board!
On an average, an economy class meal costs 1.5USD, a first class meal costs up to 15USD.....so come on....[/FONT]
I carry it with me until the date I receive a superseding memo from MY management!
If now somebody wants my seat on my way back from annual leave, fine ...TAKE IT!
Ill stay home a bit longer, send an email to my CP that I was bumped of the flight regardless of my confirmed seat. Let’s hope they still have a standby to do my flight then!
These people should start realizing that all their idiot changes of rules can have HUGE consequences!
A laborer, as per his contract, gets one confirmed ticket home every 2 or 3 years. But his ticket is confirmed as this is part of the Qatari labor law.
As a flight deck crew member, since I am contracted as skilled laborers, I am entitled for one confirmed ticket home per year for me and my family.
This is NOT a QR thing, it is the Qatari Labor law!
The only privilege QR gives me is that I can get an F ticket in case there are seats available. But that is ALL they CAN revoke!
So BIG HR hotshots, go on and continue to act in your unprofessional amateuristic way of doing things.
But be ready to face the consequences of your acts!
The whole staff travel thing is BS anyway. QR acts like they are doing us a great favor!
Think about it...staff travelers only occupy seats which would have been left empty anyway when travelling on ID90/ID50.
So here we are, paying 10% or 50% of the actual HIGHEST ticket price in the system.
We are the ones making money for the airline here, at least they get some money for their seat!
And now, it is not there to cover the price of the catering on board!
On an average, an economy class meal costs 1.5USD, a first class meal costs up to 15USD.....so come on....[/FONT]
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How you are treated you can do the same to ailrine .
NO direct routings
NO capt discretion for extending duty
NO minimum fuel
NO low drag approach ( full flaps and gear down at 3000 ft )
NO flying on off days
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enjoj AAB we can make you pay one way or the other
NO direct routings
NO capt discretion for extending duty
NO minimum fuel
NO low drag approach ( full flaps and gear down at 3000 ft )
NO flying on off days
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enjoj AAB we can make you pay one way or the other
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A new "hot shot" manager is appointed lately as a Space Control Manager, what is his first decision?? Don't confirm pilot's A.L.T's , the staff travel personnel shows him the CEO memo that we have confirmed seats, what did he answer?????
He said: "this memo is too old, it is outdated" !!!!!!
How dare he?? So our operation manual is too old?? I won’t follow it's rule?? So is my contract, I am here for too long!
I want to know if this space controller advised the CEO, and got a green light?? Or just acting out of pure ignorance and short sight??
The Flight Ops management is talking to the HR and maybe the CEO to solve and clear the matter, but the damage is done, pilots who were traveling this month have no confirmation, and pilots who applied to other airlines started to get positive replies !!!!
Mr. Space Control Manager: Please try to control the empty space you created in the cockpits of Qatar Airways when the pilots leave!!!
He said: "this memo is too old, it is outdated" !!!!!!
How dare he?? So our operation manual is too old?? I won’t follow it's rule?? So is my contract, I am here for too long!
I want to know if this space controller advised the CEO, and got a green light?? Or just acting out of pure ignorance and short sight??
The Flight Ops management is talking to the HR and maybe the CEO to solve and clear the matter, but the damage is done, pilots who were traveling this month have no confirmation, and pilots who applied to other airlines started to get positive replies !!!!
Mr. Space Control Manager: Please try to control the empty space you created in the cockpits of Qatar Airways when the pilots leave!!!
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If this new "hot shot" manager acted like that(by by-passing the CEO memo), i think he may be send home straight away by the CEO with a one way ticket...and a confirmed one! 
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same same
gents it's all same same shake head bullsh^t
Will it ever going to be different NO
Will they ever care BIG NO
will they always try to screw us BIG BIG YES
why? simply cause we are the useless bunch of school dropouts in there eyes for sure and because CEO is a pilot wannabe and a failure to launch
CEO PITA is right for once hit them hard where it hearts most
Will it ever going to be different NO
Will they ever care BIG NO
will they always try to screw us BIG BIG YES
why? simply cause we are the useless bunch of school dropouts in there eyes for sure and because CEO is a pilot wannabe and a failure to launch
CEO PITA is right for once hit them hard where it hearts most
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annual ticket QA
is it true? how about memo with AJ signed regarding this still valid?
so far, I knew that from staff travelling that one flight only confirmed seat with annual status max 5 peoples.
ur u A 320 booked the same day after 5 confirmed seat ?
another suffering for QA family
so far, I knew that from staff travelling that one flight only confirmed seat with annual status max 5 peoples.
ur u A 320 booked the same day after 5 confirmed seat ?
another suffering for QA family
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disgusting but true
AJ doesn't know what he's signing. All those managers wannabes are useless but more importantly they have no power even to sh&t in their pants.
This is just a beginning prepare for a f&&k up big time. The little man will revert to his true nature soon. His come back won't be pleasant at all.
It's time to hit the road till then .83 no discretion and all the not allowed stuff is welcome. What to do
This is just a beginning prepare for a f&&k up big time. The little man will revert to his true nature soon. His come back won't be pleasant at all.
It's time to hit the road till then .83 no discretion and all the not allowed stuff is welcome. What to do
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Regarding qatari labour law..:
Anybody well informed can confirme the end of service benefit in Q.A.:
3 weeks of the basic/year of service, becoming 4 weeks of the basic after 5 years of service...?Right..?
Anybody well informed can confirme the end of service benefit in Q.A.:
3 weeks of the basic/year of service, becoming 4 weeks of the basic after 5 years of service...?Right..?
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labour law
It always amazes me why people can't get information available to the whole world. Just type into google qatari labour law and you'll get it. No offence mate. Here you go:
Article (54)
In addition to any sums to which the worker is entitled to upon the expiry of his service, the employer shall pay the end of service gratuity to the worker who has completed employment of one year or more. This gratuity shall be agreed upon by the two parties, provided that it is not less than a three-week wage for every year of employment. The worker shall be entitled to gratuity for the fractions of the year in proportion to the duration of employment. The worker's service shall be considered continuous if it is terminated in cases other than those stipulated in article (61) of this Law and is returned to service within two months of its termination. The last basic wage shall be the base for the calculation of the gratuity. The employer is entitled to deduct from the service gratuity the amount due to him by the worker.
In other words it stays with 3 weeks but from the last basic.
Don't take it personally take it on the rocks!!!
Article (54)
In addition to any sums to which the worker is entitled to upon the expiry of his service, the employer shall pay the end of service gratuity to the worker who has completed employment of one year or more. This gratuity shall be agreed upon by the two parties, provided that it is not less than a three-week wage for every year of employment. The worker shall be entitled to gratuity for the fractions of the year in proportion to the duration of employment. The worker's service shall be considered continuous if it is terminated in cases other than those stipulated in article (61) of this Law and is returned to service within two months of its termination. The last basic wage shall be the base for the calculation of the gratuity. The employer is entitled to deduct from the service gratuity the amount due to him by the worker.
In other words it stays with 3 weeks but from the last basic.
Don't take it personally take it on the rocks!!!
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well did we lose the ALT??
I heard that someone actually went to the ceo and asked him about the ALT issue for pilots and according to him, we HAVE firm ALT, I would not be surprised if some IMBECILE misread the memo meant for cabin crew (which in my opinion is stupid also) and applied it pilots.
This shows that in this company any IDIOT behind a desk can decide that your life is will be a living hell just because of ignorance and stupidity, I wonder what nationality he is!!?? He or she should be fired, crucified and burnt, but i guess he/she will just become upper management.
Imagine the consequences that would have had on us trying to go on leave having one QR tkt subjet to space, 3 days of your leave spent at the doha airport trying to get a space for you AND your family..!! and not to mention another losing your non-refundable-unchangeable-completely-restricted tkt as usually they are for connecting flight.
Makes you wonder, where is my contract? where is it black and white that we have these benefits? ANY benefits? we can lose them anytime... beware....
cheers
This shows that in this company any IDIOT behind a desk can decide that your life is will be a living hell just because of ignorance and stupidity, I wonder what nationality he is!!?? He or she should be fired, crucified and burnt, but i guess he/she will just become upper management.
Imagine the consequences that would have had on us trying to go on leave having one QR tkt subjet to space, 3 days of your leave spent at the doha airport trying to get a space for you AND your family..!! and not to mention another losing your non-refundable-unchangeable-completely-restricted tkt as usually they are for connecting flight.
Makes you wonder, where is my contract? where is it black and white that we have these benefits? ANY benefits? we can lose them anytime... beware....
cheers
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togaluck wish you luck searching for an answer.
As you've correctly mentioned many guys don't have a contract. That funny offer of employment isn't an employment contract even though at the first glance it fulfills the requirements of such. It's what it is a offer nothing more nothing less. Just beware of it. In that case the labour law applies in full scope meaning 3 month notice is out of the window. It's just one month. Saw the other day a memo from HR stating that the employee handbook will be prepared to be published online for review. Let's see if it's ever comes true like all the other promisses about pension contracts etc. So far just words.
Don't take it personally take it on the rocks!!!
P.S Employee handbook contains details about all the benefits and entitlements as well as application of rules etc.
As you've correctly mentioned many guys don't have a contract. That funny offer of employment isn't an employment contract even though at the first glance it fulfills the requirements of such. It's what it is a offer nothing more nothing less. Just beware of it. In that case the labour law applies in full scope meaning 3 month notice is out of the window. It's just one month. Saw the other day a memo from HR stating that the employee handbook will be prepared to be published online for review. Let's see if it's ever comes true like all the other promisses about pension contracts etc. So far just words.
Don't take it personally take it on the rocks!!!
P.S Employee handbook contains details about all the benefits and entitlements as well as application of rules etc.
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And the answer is....
3 weeks basic salary per year of duty for the first 5 years
4 weeks of basic salary per year of duty starting from day 1 of year 6
5 weeks as soon as you pass 10 years ( YEAH RIGHT!)
(to be correct, the people at finance dept work with 21 days, 28 days and 34 days)
Any bond, any day sick without med certif, etc will be deducted from this!
As well as the latest thing whch I am sure you all found in your mailbox....the deduction for the 0.5% basic salary pay in outstation iso the 1.5% which have been paid to us!
3 weeks basic salary per year of duty for the first 5 years
4 weeks of basic salary per year of duty starting from day 1 of year 6
5 weeks as soon as you pass 10 years ( YEAH RIGHT!)
(to be correct, the people at finance dept work with 21 days, 28 days and 34 days)
Any bond, any day sick without med certif, etc will be deducted from this!
As well as the latest thing whch I am sure you all found in your mailbox....the deduction for the 0.5% basic salary pay in outstation iso the 1.5% which have been paid to us!
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I guess that the happiest pilots now are those who did not accept to work on their days off !!! for the rest of us we have to pay back the difference between 0.5% and 1.5%.
Another lesson on loyalty from QA!
Another lesson on loyalty from QA!
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A320 man.Wrong.
0.5% is only for day off oustide Doha!(as mentioned on the last salary pay scale:april 2007, but they made a mistake by paying 1.5% for those days off as well..)
Days off in Doha remains at 1.5%.
But still with the infaltion and the devalaution of this stupid Q.riyal peg to the dollars..i didn't really feel that i was ""OVERPAID" by Q.A..as mentioned on the letter...
Cheers
0.5% is only for day off oustide Doha!(as mentioned on the last salary pay scale:april 2007, but they made a mistake by paying 1.5% for those days off as well..)
Days off in Doha remains at 1.5%.
But still with the infaltion and the devalaution of this stupid Q.riyal peg to the dollars..
i didn't really feel that i was ""OVERPAID" by Q.A..as mentioned on the letter...Cheers
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Guys, returning to the main subject of this forum, did any of you get an official answer via Aims or email on the situation regarding the confirmation on A.L.T?
Like " Togaluck" said earlier, someone asked the CEO, and he said the confirmed seats are still there!
It was always there when that new space control manager denied us the seats lately, so I am hoping for an updated memo, or an internal memo for staff travel personnel.
Like " Togaluck" said earlier, someone asked the CEO, and he said the confirmed seats are still there!
It was always there when that new space control manager denied us the seats lately, so I am hoping for an updated memo, or an internal memo for staff travel personnel.
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Confirmed annual leave tickets with the Goat are worth nothing anyway. Myself, wife and two kids were off-loaded using confirmed seat annual leave tickets during SIN transit by Goat Staff in 2006. Flight overbooked with 
housemaids. Those goat at check-in wouldn't even talk to me until after the flight had left.
After the fact they made zero effort to get us on another flight. Three days in a hotel for the family at my expense and one duty missed. I'd probably still be there now if the then Chief Pilot had not stepped in.
And the Goat King wonders why his staff are pissed??
housemaids. Those goat at check-in wouldn't even talk to me until after the flight had left.After the fact they made zero effort to get us on another flight. Three days in a hotel for the family at my expense and one duty missed. I'd probably still be there now if the then Chief Pilot had not stepped in.
And the Goat King wonders why his staff are pissed??