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Hi,guys, what are you thinking about the new fuel policy,I 
dont give a damm 
, I request what I consider the appropiate fuel for the fly.
I home, everybody do the same.
Hi Pita,you still near the right window?,come on, do not give up,time will come,soon, hopefully.
Cheers
dont give a damm , I request what I consider the appropiate fuel for the fly.I home, everybody do the same.
Hi Pita,you still near the right window?,come on, do not give up,time will come,soon, hopefully.
Cheers
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Well the new fuel policy doesn't say that you HAVE to take minimum fuel. Take extra fuel if you think it' may be necessary and give the reason.
That's it.
That's what i'm doing ,and nobody call me in the office yet....
I known some off our "fellow colleagues" are scared to take extra fuel...!!
Personnaly i would be scared not to take extra fuel in some circumstances..!!
That's it.
That's what i'm doing ,and nobody call me in the office yet....
I known some off our "fellow colleagues" are scared to take extra fuel...!!
Personnaly i would be scared not to take extra fuel in some circumstances..!!
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Yeah, salamaliekum, I have to agreed with u, despite our tought, i know by the fact that to many of our fellas are scare to take extra drops of fuel even when they have the reason.
Another point, guys, did you read all the safety reports in 320 fleet, 3 GAs and landing with just 1700 kg in SEZ, 2 losses of control during TO and GA
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what the hell is going on in this fleet, 320CP must be worry or blind, anyhow I do not allow my family to jump in any of QR320s.
I hope they will do something, better now than to late.
Cheers
Another point, guys, did you read all the safety reports in 320 fleet, 3 GAs and landing with just 1700 kg in SEZ, 2 losses of control during TO and GA
. what the hell is going on in this fleet, 320CP must be worry or blind, anyhow I do not allow my family to jump in any of QR320s.I hope they will do something, better now than to late.
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Airbanana:
-First: i would be very careful before even dare to try to compare the fleets here.(320-330...)
Incidents happens on 330 fleet.. as well: low fuel state, miss selection, altitude burst.....So...
-Second:Sez incident:
Well i will not try to defend anybody, probably you never flow to SEZ before.
Let me tell you that at that time SEZ was an isolated airport with NO alternate.
So basicaly you are in the middle of nowhere(i should say water) with only once choice SEZ,that's it.NO other place to land.
So ..in case of TS overhead the field, you have to hold, believe me i never been in such a situation, but people who have been, told me it's not a very nice feeling at all!!!(No ALT, and your fuel going down and down..).
Probably very easy to say when you(We) are confortably seated in you (our)sofa, that the pilots should have wait a litle bit more in the hold, or bla bla...
The temptation(human factor) to try to make an approach must be very high in such a circumstance..because at the end of the day,you HAVE TO land in SEZ!And as far as i known fuel tanks have a limited capacity..
(by the way landing wih 1700kg in the tank om 320 is not unusual: if you fly to Berlin with a nearby ALT, or to DXB with SHJ as ALT, you minimum legal will be around 1700kg...).
Let's no forget that Wind shear on final may be something usual as well in SEZ, due to terrain configuration around the airfield.
After this incident they finally decided to give us an ALT: Mombasa: 2h30 flight time from SEZ.
Third:A320 CP:
Cheers
-First: i would be very careful before even dare to try to compare the fleets here.(320-330...)
Incidents happens on 330 fleet.. as well: low fuel state, miss selection, altitude burst.....So...
-Second:Sez incident:
Well i will not try to defend anybody, probably you never flow to SEZ before.
Let me tell you that at that time SEZ was an isolated airport with NO alternate.
So basicaly you are in the middle of nowhere(i should say water) with only once choice SEZ,that's it.NO other place to land.
So ..in case of TS overhead the field, you have to hold, believe me i never been in such a situation, but people who have been, told me it's not a very nice feeling at all!!!(No ALT, and your fuel going down and down..).
Probably very easy to say when you(We) are confortably seated in you (our)sofa, that the pilots should have wait a litle bit more in the hold, or bla bla...
The temptation(human factor) to try to make an approach must be very high in such a circumstance..because at the end of the day,you HAVE TO land in SEZ!And as far as i known fuel tanks have a limited capacity..
(by the way landing wih 1700kg in the tank om 320 is not unusual: if you fly to Berlin with a nearby ALT, or to DXB with SHJ as ALT, you minimum legal will be around 1700kg...).Let's no forget that Wind shear on final may be something usual as well in SEZ, due to terrain configuration around the airfield.
After this incident they finally decided to give us an ALT: Mombasa: 2h30 flight time from SEZ.
Third:A320 CP:
Cheers
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thanks loc22550
Thanks loc, for your comments, but you have to agree with me that both fleets 320,330,has had a trend of really scary incidents in the near past.
Another subject:
I can't believe seen second officers jumping straight to 330 coming fro
m the Aeronautical Kindergarden School. Good luck to the instructors
Cheers
Another subject:
I can't believe seen second officers jumping straight to 330 coming fro
m the Aeronautical Kindergarden School. Good luck to the instructorsCheers
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A330
We are not virgins on A330 .
Incidents : JNB almost end up like Khartum
2 hard leandings on A330 every week
GPWS in DAM during Med diversion
LOW fuel in LHR and N.Y and DOH
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Incidents : JNB almost end up like Khartum
2 hard leandings on A330 every week
GPWS in DAM during Med diversion
LOW fuel in LHR and N.Y and DOH
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Low fuel...hmmm..wondering why....
-Student going straight from the college to the 330 is just another smash in in the face of the 320 guys who are here for a couple of years and waiting to go 330!
Q.A. has always been very "professional"
when it come to motivate the crew!!
-Student going straight from the college to the 330 is just another smash in in the face of the 320 guys who are here for a couple of years and waiting to go 330!
Q.A. has always been very "professional"
when it come to motivate the crew!!
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Said it before, will say it again:
the old saying about the middle east is still very very true..you don't come here for a career, you come here for a job! So you expect to leave in exactly the same position as the one you where hired for. Anything else should be seen as a bonus.
Its a shame but its the truth!
the old saying about the middle east is still very very true..you don't come here for a career, you come here for a job! So you expect to leave in exactly the same position as the one you where hired for. Anything else should be seen as a bonus.
Its a shame but its the truth!
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Pita Bread......
You are so full of crap! 2 hard landings every week. What a crock. If you're going to post something, get your facts right.
As for low fuel, you're confusing rumour with fact here as well. Drop in to the Flight Safety Office and ask for the truth.
GB
You are so full of crap! 2 hard landings every week. What a crock. If you're going to post something, get your facts right.
As for low fuel, you're confusing rumour with fact here as well. Drop in to the Flight Safety Office and ask for the truth.
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After this incident they finally decided to give us an ALT: Mombasa: 2h30 flight time from SEZ.
1 Mill. question is "Where do you go" BINGO back to SEZ. One will be back in SEZ with little over FINAL remaining facing same same shut different view but this time with additional headache on top. I suggest we change the slogan "What doesn't kill us makes us stronger" Everyone else uses the isolated aerodrome procedure with PDP at which a decision is made where to proceed based on appropriate in flight fuel management. In other words if 2 hours cruise consumption are predicted to be available over destination it's a go. Does QR have PDP procedure of course NO but instead we have extremely impractical in flight fuel policy which nobody cares about anyhow.
Don't take it personally take it on the rocks!!!
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You guys might want to check out the following thread about this 'dream' airline:
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=330593
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=330593
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ORIXBOLLS sorry i hurt you am sure am wrong there was no incident in JNB and there are no hard landings on A330 it was in my dream i guess !
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Regarding the SEZ thing..
Any commander operating there should still calculate his fuel, and base his decision making policy, on whatever strategy he or she prefers.
I know for a thing that I would base mine (flying a 320 overthere) on the standard isolated aerodrome fuel calculation as N21 describes. Ok, I will take much more fuel with me but so be it!
I prefer being a bit more heavy on fuel than to swim around with the sharks in the ocean!
FLYING IS NOT A JOKE !
And in all honesty, if that means leaving payload behind and the company does not like it, well, in that case they should send a bigger airplane over there in the first place!
FLYING IS NOT A JOKE, once more. We are considered to be professionals!
Our pax count on us, and in all honesty, so does the airline!
They give us guidelines regarding fuel policy which is actually a good thing to do in this age of fuel reserves running low, our planet being choked and spiraling fuel costs.
But in extreme cases ( and flying an A320 from DOH to SEZ is rather extreme) we as crew have the right to overrule these policies and we SHOULD!
Any commander operating there should still calculate his fuel, and base his decision making policy, on whatever strategy he or she prefers.
I know for a thing that I would base mine (flying a 320 overthere) on the standard isolated aerodrome fuel calculation as N21 describes. Ok, I will take much more fuel with me but so be it!
I prefer being a bit more heavy on fuel than to swim around with the sharks in the ocean!
FLYING IS NOT A JOKE !
And in all honesty, if that means leaving payload behind and the company does not like it, well, in that case they should send a bigger airplane over there in the first place!
FLYING IS NOT A JOKE, once more. We are considered to be professionals!
Our pax count on us, and in all honesty, so does the airline!
They give us guidelines regarding fuel policy which is actually a good thing to do in this age of fuel reserves running low, our planet being choked and spiraling fuel costs.
But in extreme cases ( and flying an A320 from DOH to SEZ is rather extreme) we as crew have the right to overrule these policies and we SHOULD!
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By the way something related to fuel as well....
Anybody knowns When LVP start in Doha,??
(MInimum VIS and or RVR??) .Some airport mention it black and white(usually around 500..600m...).
Last week i came back from a flight.VIS on ATIS 1200m,.RVR reported 1200m as well...more than enough for a CAT I... with LVP in force ATC said.. and all the consequence, longer spacing between A/C, delays, holding....I heard one A/C QTR 121 diverted to DXB..no extra fuel probably
..
Just one to make sure next time for my 30' Extra fuel..
Thanks god i took extra fuel!
Anybody knowns When LVP start in Doha,??
(MInimum VIS and or RVR??) .Some airport mention it black and white(usually around 500..600m...).Last week i came back from a flight.VIS on ATIS 1200m,.RVR reported 1200m as well...more than enough for a CAT I... with LVP in force ATC said.. and all the consequence, longer spacing between A/C, delays, holding....I heard one A/C QTR 121 diverted to DXB..no extra fuel probably
..Just one to make sure next time for my 30' Extra fuel..
Thanks god i took extra fuel!