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Thanks My Friend Its Verry Nice To Hear The Point Of View Of Some One To See The Wall From The Other Side
I Am 10 Kts Before V1 And You Are Telling Me Part Of The Answer That I M Looking For To Abort Or Conti.
Once Again Thanks Its Verry Helpful Your Coment.
I Am 10 Kts Before V1 And You Are Telling Me Part Of The Answer That I M Looking For To Abort Or Conti.
Once Again Thanks Its Verry Helpful Your Coment.
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I have never heard of any airline ordering its employees to pay a bond in the US. Some high level managers sometime sign a non compete clause which is also highly suspect in a court of law but I have never heard of any airline "offering" a bond to its pilots. Must be some fly by the night operation just trying to make a buck off some dumb unsuspecting pilot.
Non of the majors give it, non of the commuter that I know off (I could be wrong here though) give a bond and non of the frieght dogs do it either (Fed Ex, UPS, Airborne).
When a comany gives you a bond I would be very careful of what kind of operation I was getting into. Why would an airline do that and what are they trying to prevent by their actions or even inactions?
Non of the majors give it, non of the commuter that I know off (I could be wrong here though) give a bond and non of the frieght dogs do it either (Fed Ex, UPS, Airborne).
When a comany gives you a bond I would be very careful of what kind of operation I was getting into. Why would an airline do that and what are they trying to prevent by their actions or even inactions?
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How do they ever enforce the payback? They probably don't offer a pension so what are they going to keep from you? Just walk away and tell them you will fight this bond in a court of law big time. I know that will cost money which most commuter pilots don't have but I can not fathom how that is legal. Just because some shotty airline makes you sign a bond does not make it legal and binding don't forget.
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Why would an airline do that and what are they trying to prevent by their actions or even inactions?
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Fair play to you AC, a lot of what you say is true and spot on. Even more important, this is from your perspective and just like opinions we all have different perspectives.
Anyone looking to join here has to take all of the perspectives into account. If you are joining from a 'developing nation' somewhere with poor prospects, crappy airlines, yours is going bust or a country going through spin-cycle, then the airline will seem wonderful (for a while).
If you are joining from a developed country or one with good laws, social behaviours, justice system and civil liberties, then your perspective may be in for a shock.
I used to be very happy here, now I grin and bear it
yes I could leave, but it still suits my purposes for a while longer
Anyone looking to join here has to take all of the perspectives into account. If you are joining from a 'developing nation' somewhere with poor prospects, crappy airlines, yours is going bust or a country going through spin-cycle, then the airline will seem wonderful (for a while).
If you are joining from a developed country or one with good laws, social behaviours, justice system and civil liberties, then your perspective may be in for a shock.
I used to be very happy here, now I grin and bear it
yes I could leave, but it still suits my purposes for a while longer
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On the reasonable/unreasonable scale, I think few fair-minded people would suggest that EK's bond isn't waaaaay over towards the 'extremely reasonable' side of the scale. I think it's still the same today as it was when the airline was first formed back in 1985, which, (since everyone here is constantly reminding us), with inflation and the plummeted/ing USD/Dirham, means the 36kUSD reducable over 3 years today represents a fraction of what it did when it was first introduced.
EK could improve quite a few things for its pilot group, but credit where it's due - 36k North American Pesos, reduced monthly from the day you're cleared to the line, is a pretty cheap wide body endorsement for anyone who chooses not to stay on the Sandpit (for whatever reason) for three years after checkout.
If you want to talk unreasonable bonds, take a look (but sit down first!) at the double slug SQ will throw your way if you want to work in Lyin' City. AND you have to cough up a considerable amount of money 'up front' to cover just ONE of the bonds, which you have to deposit into an account they have access to should you do a runner, even one day before your bond period expires.
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There's quite a lot of truth (if slightly embellished truth) in what AC said in his initial post, but some of his comments show a (still) amazing ignorance of the region he now lives in.
I thought there would be a few more howls of protest over his assertion that almost each and every one of us comes home to our Jumeirah villas to a 24-hours-a-day-Prozac-addled Jane.
(Maybe THAT explains why my much adored trouble'n'strife is always such a happy individual.)
EK could improve quite a few things for its pilot group, but credit where it's due - 36k North American Pesos, reduced monthly from the day you're cleared to the line, is a pretty cheap wide body endorsement for anyone who chooses not to stay on the Sandpit (for whatever reason) for three years after checkout.
If you want to talk unreasonable bonds, take a look (but sit down first!) at the double slug SQ will throw your way if you want to work in Lyin' City. AND you have to cough up a considerable amount of money 'up front' to cover just ONE of the bonds, which you have to deposit into an account they have access to should you do a runner, even one day before your bond period expires.
..............
There's quite a lot of truth (if slightly embellished truth) in what AC said in his initial post, but some of his comments show a (still) amazing ignorance of the region he now lives in.
I thought there would be a few more howls of protest over his assertion that almost each and every one of us comes home to our Jumeirah villas to a 24-hours-a-day-Prozac-addled Jane.
(Maybe THAT explains why my much adored trouble'n'strife is always such a happy individual.)
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The bond at SQ Cargo (same in SQ): 156000 SGD (113000 USD).
You have to provide a bank guarantee of 56000 SGD (41000 USD) in a Singapore bank. No exceptions.
For FO:s: no upgrade unless you go on local terms for two years first which means no housing allowance (rents in Singapore makes Dubai look cheap...), no school allowance so after your upgrade you're more or less back to where you were as an expat FO.
Despite this many of our FO:s are now paying 30000+ USD to get out of the contract and move to:
Emirates
DEC:s or not, EK is still the fastest way to a wide body command and the salary considering no tax, no rent, no utilities looks reasonably attractive.
AC, like many have said here, stop looking at the details of your pay slip. Scroll down to the bottom line. Is it good enough then why bother? I meet guys here in Singapore making the equivalent of 800000 Dirhams a year complaining about not getting transport allowance.
The bond at SQ Cargo (same in SQ): 156000 SGD (113000 USD).
You have to provide a bank guarantee of 56000 SGD (41000 USD) in a Singapore bank. No exceptions.
For FO:s: no upgrade unless you go on local terms for two years first which means no housing allowance (rents in Singapore makes Dubai look cheap...), no school allowance so after your upgrade you're more or less back to where you were as an expat FO.
Despite this many of our FO:s are now paying 30000+ USD to get out of the contract and move to:
Emirates
DEC:s or not, EK is still the fastest way to a wide body command and the salary considering no tax, no rent, no utilities looks reasonably attractive.
AC, like many have said here, stop looking at the details of your pay slip. Scroll down to the bottom line. Is it good enough then why bother? I meet guys here in Singapore making the equivalent of 800000 Dirhams a year complaining about not getting transport allowance.
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Emirates Bond
If you ever worked for a US airline you paid for your bond with your first year salary !
At least with Emirates you pay nothing if you stay 3 years . In the US your first year salary is crap , so the airline "Collects" the training cost form you right away.
At least with Emirates you pay nothing if you stay 3 years . In the US your first year salary is crap , so the airline "Collects" the training cost form you right away.
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I must have missed something here. (Flak jacket on). ...I go on leave and I still get paid, I have been sick and I still get paid...well at least it seems I do, there is always money in the bank.
Perhaps my pay is not calculated the same as "American Top Line Airlines", with "trip rigs, jigs and gigs" or whatever else they offer. But under the contract I have with EK, they seem to pay me every month.
And thats the big thing....I am reasonably sure that my pay will be in the bank each month....if I was in the Land of the Free at the moment I might be a little worried that I might find out I did not have a job next week.
However..each to thier own. But I dont think you can take a job at EK and then complain that conditions you had before are not "exported" with you.
Got my hat and coat.....Im gone................
Perhaps my pay is not calculated the same as "American Top Line Airlines", with "trip rigs, jigs and gigs" or whatever else they offer. But under the contract I have with EK, they seem to pay me every month.
And thats the big thing....I am reasonably sure that my pay will be in the bank each month....if I was in the Land of the Free at the moment I might be a little worried that I might find out I did not have a job next week.
However..each to thier own. But I dont think you can take a job at EK and then complain that conditions you had before are not "exported" with you.
Got my hat and coat.....Im gone................
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Currency peg and oil prices add to inflation
Last Updated: May 03. 2008 5:19PM
Sultan Bin Saeed Al Mansouri, Minister of Economy. Jeffrey E. Biteng / The National
DUBAI // Currency pegs, as well as high oil and food prices, are compounding inflation, said Sultan bin Saeed al-Mansouri, Minister of Economy, on Friday.
The UAE was the first dollar-pegged Gulf state to match Thursday’s US interest rate cut, the seventh since September.
“This phenomenon is an expected product of our region’s economic boom, but is being compounded further by other factors such as globally rising food commodity prices, currency pegs, and excessive oil rates,” said Mr al Mansouri at a conference in Beirut.
“Monetary and exchange rate tools and fiscal options have to be considered with greater caution as they could trigger economic distortions,” he added.
Last month Mr Mansouri said it would be a “miracle” if the UAE meets its five per cent inflation target this year.
The second-largest Arab economy has tried to curb inflation by signing agreements with supermarket chains to fix food prices at 2007 levels. Gulf oil producers have also introduced rent caps, public sector pay rises and food subsidies.
UAE inflation hit a 19-year peak of 9.3 per cent in 2006 and probably accelerated to 10.9 per cent last year, according to an estimate by the National Bank of Abu Dhabi.
“Some countries have opted to turn to a basket of currencies ... Still others are weighing the effects of a currency revaluation,” Mr Mansouri added.
“While there is no single cure for the inflation problem as each nation has its own unique economic structure, the only certain actions we must take are to vigilantly monitor regional and global financial trends and act accordingly,” he added.
- Reuters
Fixing rents, prices and subsidies has never worked and never will. In a year's time they will be blaming the same old culprits but doing nothing about it. They were this time last year weren't they? That led to premature speculation on de-pegging the dirham.
Trouble is they cannot de-peg or revalue - Uncle Sam wont let them because the trillions that the Middle East would then flood onto the market would collapse the USA into a depression and it would not be unable to fund the shield in the Middle East that many Gulf states rely on.
Likewise the very wealthy with their dollar reserves would have them devalued overnight. Who's going to allow that?
So inflation will continue to soar as will rents and food and everything else while the media makes more soothing noises promising the problem will be addressed. It won't.
The public will pick up the tab for bad financial policy imported from the USA. That means less in your pocket every day.
Last Updated: May 03. 2008 5:19PM
Sultan Bin Saeed Al Mansouri, Minister of Economy. Jeffrey E. Biteng / The National
DUBAI // Currency pegs, as well as high oil and food prices, are compounding inflation, said Sultan bin Saeed al-Mansouri, Minister of Economy, on Friday.
The UAE was the first dollar-pegged Gulf state to match Thursday’s US interest rate cut, the seventh since September.
“This phenomenon is an expected product of our region’s economic boom, but is being compounded further by other factors such as globally rising food commodity prices, currency pegs, and excessive oil rates,” said Mr al Mansouri at a conference in Beirut.
“Monetary and exchange rate tools and fiscal options have to be considered with greater caution as they could trigger economic distortions,” he added.
Last month Mr Mansouri said it would be a “miracle” if the UAE meets its five per cent inflation target this year.
The second-largest Arab economy has tried to curb inflation by signing agreements with supermarket chains to fix food prices at 2007 levels. Gulf oil producers have also introduced rent caps, public sector pay rises and food subsidies.
UAE inflation hit a 19-year peak of 9.3 per cent in 2006 and probably accelerated to 10.9 per cent last year, according to an estimate by the National Bank of Abu Dhabi.
“Some countries have opted to turn to a basket of currencies ... Still others are weighing the effects of a currency revaluation,” Mr Mansouri added.
“While there is no single cure for the inflation problem as each nation has its own unique economic structure, the only certain actions we must take are to vigilantly monitor regional and global financial trends and act accordingly,” he added.
- Reuters
Fixing rents, prices and subsidies has never worked and never will. In a year's time they will be blaming the same old culprits but doing nothing about it. They were this time last year weren't they? That led to premature speculation on de-pegging the dirham.
Trouble is they cannot de-peg or revalue - Uncle Sam wont let them because the trillions that the Middle East would then flood onto the market would collapse the USA into a depression and it would not be unable to fund the shield in the Middle East that many Gulf states rely on.
Likewise the very wealthy with their dollar reserves would have them devalued overnight. Who's going to allow that?
So inflation will continue to soar as will rents and food and everything else while the media makes more soothing noises promising the problem will be addressed. It won't.
The public will pick up the tab for bad financial policy imported from the USA. That means less in your pocket every day.
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And on the main board, a thread announcing that American Airlines is slashing 12% of capacity and crews. Despite posts like AC's, stand by for another avalanche of applications from the land of Mom an' Apple Pie.
Isn't it funny the way an airline somewhere in the world goes dead ants every time EK is in need of pilots?
Looks like we'all who've bin here a while better start practisin' our "Emirates 1-oh-faive checkin'in, outov 2-5-oh"s, 'cos very soon, despite posts like the one that opened this thread, most EK pilots will be a-talkin' that way.
Isn't it funny the way an airline somewhere in the world goes dead ants every time EK is in need of pilots?
Looks like we'all who've bin here a while better start practisin' our "Emirates 1-oh-faive checkin'in, outov 2-5-oh"s, 'cos very soon, despite posts like the one that opened this thread, most EK pilots will be a-talkin' that way.
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All the large US carriers will ultimately collapse with the demise of the dollar, oil prices and further deregulation of the skys. They will be replaced by eastern and middle-eastern airlines with whom they cannot compete.
Expectation of salaries will be lower and the profession will take another notch down. Perhaps now is the time to take stock and wonder if another profession might be in order while age and finance still allow a new start.
In 10 years time, these salaries will look very good. Much like they did 10 years ago.
Expectation of salaries will be lower and the profession will take another notch down. Perhaps now is the time to take stock and wonder if another profession might be in order while age and finance still allow a new start.
In 10 years time, these salaries will look very good. Much like they did 10 years ago.
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AC is slamming US Airways on another thread....he has yet to accuse thier wives of all being on happy pills as well. Have checked all cupboards here...seems to be a lack of pills apparent!!!
Perhaps we could start a poll on here...Is Your Wife Living in a Drug Induced High? Yes...No...Not Sure..Could Not Care Less, She is Having a Ball.
At least that way we could get a handle on just how many 1000's of wives are living on the high side!!
Perhaps we could start a poll on here...Is Your Wife Living in a Drug Induced High? Yes...No...Not Sure..Could Not Care Less, She is Having a Ball.
At least that way we could get a handle on just how many 1000's of wives are living on the high side!!
I think AC is problably more correct than many here would like to admit to themselves.
Many Ek wives are on the happy pills, in my sons class at school there are just under half the wives on them, not all EK but I think it is an indication.
If your MRs isnt then well done, but many are.
The EK clinic does hand them out like smarties, so how many of then on them actually need them is a different matter...
Many Ek wives are on the happy pills, in my sons class at school there are just under half the wives on them, not all EK but I think it is an indication.
If your MRs isnt then well done, but many are.
The EK clinic does hand them out like smarties, so how many of then on them actually need them is a different matter...
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Happy Pills
Without question I know three wives living in Silcom Oassis that ar on the happy pills and you can guess what country they come from. You can also tell when they forget to take the pills, quite a difference in their pesonalites day to day. We all want to be happy and remember that Denail is not just a river in Egypt. Keep telling yourself that you are happy ladies.