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757 you implied it! CRM Who cares??
Do you enjoy flying single pilot?
Have you ever been wrong or made a mistake? It's a team sport.
Get over yourself!
I know, I know in your world CRM stands for Captains Right Mate!!!
And nothing will change your mind.
Shame
Billy
Do you enjoy flying single pilot?
Have you ever been wrong or made a mistake? It's a team sport.
Get over yourself!
I know, I know in your world CRM stands for Captains Right Mate!!!
And nothing will change your mind.
Shame
Billy
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Billy your posts are concise, clear and insightful.
A few points that some individuals keep bringing up in favour of the DEC policy, prove that these same individuals argue by use of mistruths.
For example, most pilots who leave EK would seek a DEC position elsewhere even though they argue against the policy at EK. NO KIDDING, you simpletons!
The difference is that EK has put in writing the progression of pilots within the company. Eligible F/O's FIRST. Then accelerated command types. Then DEC's. The company HAS NEVER RUN OUT OF ELIGIBLE F/O's in my time here.
Other companies offering DEC positions have historically REQUIRED DEC's and they make NO pretense otherwise. So accepting a DEC position at Korean for example, is not at all the same as accepting a DEC position at EK.
There is one truth though, that those hired recently SHOULD have known the tendency of this company, even though the company states in writing that DEC's will be a last resort.
The truth of the matter is that the beginning of the DEC policy simply increased the chances that DEC's might be required in the future because most prospective pilots who noticed this, would decline offers as an F/O. The fact is, that the recent delays to upgrades have nothing to do with a lack of eligible F/O's, but everything to do with a lack of resources to carry out the normal upgrades.
Is that the fault of F/O's? Clearly not.
The DEC policy is simply in place to save money and resources. Nothing more. Anyone who argues otherwise does not know the facts or is trying to justify jumping the queue. (or perhaps is just an idiot)
Sadly, most DEC's are painted with the same brush as these morons. I have a suspicion the policy would still be controversial but not so hated, if not for the minority of idiots who put all DEC's in a bad light.
I still believe the DEC policy is NOT COST EFFECTIVE when taking into account all factors. I cannot prove this belief but when taking into account the resultant loss of suitable F/O applicants, the hit on morale, the loss of pilots, and the bizarre behaviour of the minority of DEC's, it surely outweighs the short term cost savings.
Long term thinking, with respect to the welfare of employees, is not exactly the strong point of this company.
A few points that some individuals keep bringing up in favour of the DEC policy, prove that these same individuals argue by use of mistruths.
For example, most pilots who leave EK would seek a DEC position elsewhere even though they argue against the policy at EK. NO KIDDING, you simpletons!
The difference is that EK has put in writing the progression of pilots within the company. Eligible F/O's FIRST. Then accelerated command types. Then DEC's. The company HAS NEVER RUN OUT OF ELIGIBLE F/O's in my time here.
Other companies offering DEC positions have historically REQUIRED DEC's and they make NO pretense otherwise. So accepting a DEC position at Korean for example, is not at all the same as accepting a DEC position at EK.
There is one truth though, that those hired recently SHOULD have known the tendency of this company, even though the company states in writing that DEC's will be a last resort.
The truth of the matter is that the beginning of the DEC policy simply increased the chances that DEC's might be required in the future because most prospective pilots who noticed this, would decline offers as an F/O. The fact is, that the recent delays to upgrades have nothing to do with a lack of eligible F/O's, but everything to do with a lack of resources to carry out the normal upgrades.
Is that the fault of F/O's? Clearly not.
The DEC policy is simply in place to save money and resources. Nothing more. Anyone who argues otherwise does not know the facts or is trying to justify jumping the queue. (or perhaps is just an idiot)
Sadly, most DEC's are painted with the same brush as these morons. I have a suspicion the policy would still be controversial but not so hated, if not for the minority of idiots who put all DEC's in a bad light.
I still believe the DEC policy is NOT COST EFFECTIVE when taking into account all factors. I cannot prove this belief but when taking into account the resultant loss of suitable F/O applicants, the hit on morale, the loss of pilots, and the bizarre behaviour of the minority of DEC's, it surely outweighs the short term cost savings.
Long term thinking, with respect to the welfare of employees, is not exactly the strong point of this company.
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Seniority and our Profession
The seniority system or percieved entitlement to, has not helped our profession nor our families. It shackles people to companies and jobs they might otherwise leave. It has turned lives into misery, ( 20 year first officers in the USA), and pitted one professional against another. ( This forum ). Other professions bring in new people, ( law firms, accounting firms, medical firms ) train them, and then when the leaders of the firm decide they are prepared, they are made a partner. Once at this level, they are free to trade their experience and knowledge on the open market for the benefit of themselves and their families. Having been allowed that opportunity in the piloting profession has enabled many a Captain from EK to return home, or live closer to their preferred choice of domicile. Imagine the opportunity around the world if a pilot could apply for a job and not have to start as a new-hire. Unfortunately, like the lawyer who is bar certified and a partner, the doctor who is a specialist in his field and a partner, and the accountant who is a CPA and a partner, there will always be some measure or level of qualification in every profession that others will recognize and value. In our profession it happens to be the title of Captain, and what you fly and where you fly it;not unlike a lawyer who specilizes in criminal law in a big city. With the lack of new entrants into our profession over the past 5-10 years, the demand for "Captains" around the world will only increase, much to our benefit. Luckily for EK pilots, the company is growing and making "new" Captains monthly. They fly big airplanes around the world,adding to the resume, and ultimately bringing greater opportunity world-wide for them and their families.....a very enviable situation to be in.
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All of you pilots are missing the point. Why should I have to wait one single day in the right seat so some pilot can come in and jumped me and others? Why can't they upgrade me? Am I undesirable? NO! I was in the US and would had to wait 10 plus years to upgrade. Why should anyone come into my airline and jump ahead of me. That smacks of discrimation and also disenfranchisment (US terms).
Companies having pilots jump the queue (Europe term) does nothing but screw the pilots in the long run. Why does a airline have to raise its pay and conditions when they can bring in some scum (you know the word I am looking for) who is happy to work for the money the airline is paying.
Companies having pilots jump the queue (Europe term) does nothing but screw the pilots in the long run. Why does a airline have to raise its pay and conditions when they can bring in some scum (you know the word I am looking for) who is happy to work for the money the airline is paying.
