Etihad upgrades are on A320
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Etihad upgrades are on A320
"As part of a longer term strategy the A320 fleet has been selected as general base model for direct internal command courses.This rule applies for command courses starting in May 2008".
"Herewith Etihad follows general best practice of the major carriers of the world and will be able to cover the steady demand on the rapidly growing A320 fleet.
In any case internal upgrades should have priority over the hiring of direct entry captains whenever possible." VPFO( Acting ) ...
"Herewith Etihad follows general best practice of the major carriers of the world and will be able to cover the steady demand on the rapidly growing A320 fleet.
In any case internal upgrades should have priority over the hiring of direct entry captains whenever possible." VPFO( Acting ) ...
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Very nice.....BUT
What about the salary... there is a significant diference A330 and A320 Captains. And no way to compare 340/320... It is not so exiting go for comand and get only 2000 more as a 330/340 FO, or even less in a good month(overtime month) . They have to fix that !!!
, AVPO say now we are doing like an a Big Carrier,well pay as a Big carrier as well.....will see.
What about the salary... there is a significant diference A330 and A320 Captains. And no way to compare 340/320... It is not so exiting go for comand and get only 2000 more as a 330/340 FO, or even less in a good month(overtime month) . They have to fix that !!!
, AVPO say now we are doing like an a Big Carrier,well pay as a Big carrier as well.....will see.
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This is obviously EYs way of filling the expanding A320 operation pilot seats internally and avoiding DEC. Highly preferable I would think. Hopefully a short term solution.
From the EY employment website the starting base salaries for A320 and A330/340 FOs are the same at AED 24500 plus AED 40 per flying hour. The base salary for A320 Command is AED 33000 plus AED 50 per hour.. No mention of A330/340 Command base pay.
My understanding is that the base salaries for each rank are the same irrespective of aircraft type. So what am I missing here? Other than overtime calculations or ULA vs LH vs short haul flying and overnight allowance income what's the major difference to income? What have I missed?
If it's extra income due to overtime then I can understand that difference but overtime is not always guaranteed and dependent on many factors. Most airline bean counters will find a balance between min crew employed and amount of extra hours flown per crew per month (overtime). It is not unheard of short haul operations flying max hours per month (hence big overtime) during periods of insufficient crews and expanding schedules.
Granted you are flying more sectors and going to work more times per week than a long haul pilot but you do get to spend more time at home.
From the EY employment website the starting base salaries for A320 and A330/340 FOs are the same at AED 24500 plus AED 40 per flying hour. The base salary for A320 Command is AED 33000 plus AED 50 per hour.. No mention of A330/340 Command base pay.
My understanding is that the base salaries for each rank are the same irrespective of aircraft type. So what am I missing here? Other than overtime calculations or ULA vs LH vs short haul flying and overnight allowance income what's the major difference to income? What have I missed?
If it's extra income due to overtime then I can understand that difference but overtime is not always guaranteed and dependent on many factors. Most airline bean counters will find a balance between min crew employed and amount of extra hours flown per crew per month (overtime). It is not unheard of short haul operations flying max hours per month (hence big overtime) during periods of insufficient crews and expanding schedules.
Granted you are flying more sectors and going to work more times per week than a long haul pilot but you do get to spend more time at home.
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Ahhh, well, whatever. If they upgrade me now I will never say NO. I don't care if it's A320. After a year or so you'll be CCQ'd you to the bigger buses anyway.
So, count me in! Raise the roof guys!
So, count me in! Raise the roof guys!
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industry norm.
Well said Mr Frodo,
Never turn down an airline Jet Command. Everyone will get onto the A330/340 at some stage, so hang in there.
Most airlines with a varied fleet upgrade on the smaller a/c first and then there is a natural progression to the bigger stuff.
Gotta be beter than DEC's
Never turn down an airline Jet Command. Everyone will get onto the A330/340 at some stage, so hang in there.
Most airlines with a varied fleet upgrade on the smaller a/c first and then there is a natural progression to the bigger stuff.
Gotta be beter than DEC's
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Whats the allowance like at EY when u fly say 70 hours a month ?
A330 capt get basic 33000 (70 hours =3500) =36500 + ns allowance?? whats the average ns allowance u getting each month for capt?
A330 capt get basic 33000 (70 hours =3500) =36500 + ns allowance?? whats the average ns allowance u getting each month for capt?
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Totally Agree 35E, that is what is coming . It is hard to believe mix fleet 320 330
. I dont think is good idea, 320 and 330 are Differents.
And also for BUSDRIVER...it is REAl now a 330 340 FO earn More than a 320 Cap. This is a matter of fact.
Agree, UPGRADE is nice but....the families live with money no with 4 strips....
. I dont think is good idea, 320 and 330 are Differents.And also for BUSDRIVER...it is REAl now a 330 340 FO earn More than a 320 Cap. This is a matter of fact.
Agree, UPGRADE is nice but....the families live with money no with 4 strips....
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mr jet lag - beleave is actually spelled believe. and differents? man, from where did you learn your english?
anyway, i'm not actually much into spellings and grammars but i do get your point. and as a matter of factly, your statement about pay and upgrades is not actually correct.
330/340 and 320 captain's basic are the same. overtime plus layover allowance in ULRs, yes, they do make a difference. widebody jocks do get some extra but as you say, upgrade is upgrade. but what the heck, i've done ULRs already as FO and enjoyed the layovers, but if the company decides to make all internal upgrades now in the 320 fleet, and they offer you left seat, would you not accept it? tell me, what would you do? are you gonna wait it out as EY widebody FO for the next 3 yrs or are you gonna quit and look somewhere else for a company that can give you widebody upgrade, even if you have to wait for 5, 6, 7 or 10 years? nah, i don't think you'd have the patience to do that. and worst case scenario is if you keep moving from one company to another you might get stuck as FO for the rest of your career. so let's just study our books man, and get our upgrade here in EY. once you get the bars, then it's up to you if you want to wait to be CCQd or move somewhere else.
anyway, i'm not actually much into spellings and grammars but i do get your point. and as a matter of factly, your statement about pay and upgrades is not actually correct.
330/340 and 320 captain's basic are the same. overtime plus layover allowance in ULRs, yes, they do make a difference. widebody jocks do get some extra but as you say, upgrade is upgrade. but what the heck, i've done ULRs already as FO and enjoyed the layovers, but if the company decides to make all internal upgrades now in the 320 fleet, and they offer you left seat, would you not accept it? tell me, what would you do? are you gonna wait it out as EY widebody FO for the next 3 yrs or are you gonna quit and look somewhere else for a company that can give you widebody upgrade, even if you have to wait for 5, 6, 7 or 10 years? nah, i don't think you'd have the patience to do that. and worst case scenario is if you keep moving from one company to another you might get stuck as FO for the rest of your career. so let's just study our books man, and get our upgrade here in EY. once you get the bars, then it's up to you if you want to wait to be CCQd or move somewhere else.
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zorry for me englich but i was writing bery fazt.
I learn englich heere in pprun.
Would you like to be my teacher???
Agree. Command is Command And I would never say no. But Again why, always the small one get less...
I learn englich heere in pprun.
Would you like to be my teacher???Agree. Command is Command And I would never say no. But Again why, always the small one get less...
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Do you have a doubt in the quality of training on the A320 or just the whole of EY? It Seem that you are not happy about the quality of training that the cadet’s will be receiving from the same department that do/will be upgrading everyone else!!!
Just to remind you, once a pilot cleared on line flying it means that he has satisfied all the requirements to do so. As stated earlier we pilots fly cockpits, size doesn’t matter on this one…
Do you have a doubt in the quality of training on the A320 or just the whole of EY? It Seem that you are not happy about the quality of training that the cadet’s will be receiving from the same department that do/will be upgrading everyone else!!!
Just to remind you, once a pilot cleared on line flying it means that he has satisfied all the requirements to do so. As stated earlier we pilots fly cockpits, size doesn’t matter on this one…
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ha ha ha !! DO you think that 500 hrs + line training makes a new copilot
READY... no way. I was not few years ago. By the way I did not come from a low cost.
Let s see the results of the cadet program.
READY... no way. I was not few years ago. By the way I did not come from a low cost.
Let s see the results of the cadet program.
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You guys are killing me with the english tests I did need a laugh this afternoon and it was provided. I probably have the worst spelling of everyone on this forum and I was born and raised in the states.
I did need a laugh this afternoon and it was provided. I probably have the worst spelling of everyone on this forum and I was born and raised in the states.
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Good Joke. Who cares a kucf about spelling? I can not understand what the person in the LHS is saying - apart from the fact He says - I earn FIVE TIMES MORE THAN YOU
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Hey Guys...please FOCUS... F/O get(earn,make,do or whatever) more MONEY( salary,Euros,Dollars...) than a A320 Cap. And the Company must to do something abou it. You can say many things about laws and payment system but you still get less pay.
About spelling...I don't care. Many of us speak languages 10 times better or more complicate than the F
English.So what's the matter.
HALAZ !!!! Because of some Perfect English speakers we have Problems like unfair salaries,Rosters and Housing. Upsss I forgot REPORTING CULTURE. that's all folks
About spelling...I don't care. Many of us speak languages 10 times better or more complicate than the F
English.So what's the matter.HALAZ !!!! Because of some Perfect English speakers we have Problems like unfair salaries,Rosters and Housing. Upsss I forgot REPORTING CULTURE. that's all folks
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CCQ for Upgrade
Hey guys ,
OM-A Chapter 5.1.3.1.
Cross Fleet Upgrades to another aircraft type That has COMMAND VACANCIES will be available to all suitable FO.
Is this the Case of the A-320 (command Vacancies .) If so, Why will they CCQ on A-330 for later Upgrade on 330 instead of CCQ for upgrade to 320.
Airbus guys came for the WB and the money expectations .
What else would you have left home for .
They are creating a get Command and Leave atmosphere .
Will this help a company with expectations to Grow . Having people cominmg in and leaving the next day !
Like someone said , Into the books for the command and i didnt really think i would have to brush up the CV that fast.
Fly safely,
OM-A Chapter 5.1.3.1.
Cross Fleet Upgrades to another aircraft type That has COMMAND VACANCIES will be available to all suitable FO.
Is this the Case of the A-320 (command Vacancies .) If so, Why will they CCQ on A-330 for later Upgrade on 330 instead of CCQ for upgrade to 320.
Airbus guys came for the WB and the money expectations .
What else would you have left home for .
They are creating a get Command and Leave atmosphere .
Will this help a company with expectations to Grow . Having people cominmg in and leaving the next day !
Like someone said , Into the books for the command and i didnt really think i would have to brush up the CV that fast.
Fly safely,
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Dear Relief
Thanks for your very assertive point.
DEC should have at list the minimun Req. that the EY F/O need to have to be Upgraded.
It is weird to have Dec with really minimun Exp. They come from Low Cost or new companies, who knows what kind of Stdrs they have....
So it is really easy to get piss....well keep the faith.
Thanks for your very assertive point.
DEC should have at list the minimun Req. that the EY F/O need to have to be Upgraded.
It is weird to have Dec with really minimun Exp. They come from Low Cost or new companies, who knows what kind of Stdrs they have....
So it is really easy to get piss....well keep the faith.
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I don't know where you are getting your info re fleet numbers from, but there are 2 A340-600s arriving (late) this year and 2 A330 in early next year.
Where you got 13 from beats me...?
A320s - well that's anyones guess.....
I don't know where you are getting your info re fleet numbers from, but there are 2 A340-600s arriving (late) this year and 2 A330 in early next year.
Where you got 13 from beats me...?
A320s - well that's anyones guess.....