EK Housing Mess..
. hardly a suprise.
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Not to stir the pot but the housing I was shown whilest I was there last month was far from acceptable. All though brand new; they were town homes with no yard, no covered parking, very cheap inside, etc. ....in an area called "*****" or similar. One of the interviewers wifes (not American) was along and made her decision right then and there. Don't really blame her.
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Well I can say is good on her for sticking to her guns, accom is a big issue when it comes to families and EK has to deal with that and not have the attitude " take it or leave it". The job is good but not good enough to put your family through hell for it.
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Saying the accommodation is not EKs fault is to overlook their woeful lack of planning.
The expansion has been ongoing for years but the logistics to support the expansion have always taken second place to headline aircraft deliveries. So it is no surprise to anyone except it seems those in management that the aircraft will require more pilots, engineers, cabin crew and other support staff who will need somewhere to live.
It is their fault and higher up the chain the rampant, uncontrolled speculation driving up accommodation prices has created rental prices that EK are not prepared to pay for. So they find the cheap short term solution pending the cheaper long term one of mass accommodation blocks out in the desert somewhere.
There are even some villas available on existing EK compounds, just a few, but left empty because they are unwilling to pay the inflated rental price.
Prior planning would have prevented this p*** poor performance.
The expansion has been ongoing for years but the logistics to support the expansion have always taken second place to headline aircraft deliveries. So it is no surprise to anyone except it seems those in management that the aircraft will require more pilots, engineers, cabin crew and other support staff who will need somewhere to live.
It is their fault and higher up the chain the rampant, uncontrolled speculation driving up accommodation prices has created rental prices that EK are not prepared to pay for. So they find the cheap short term solution pending the cheaper long term one of mass accommodation blocks out in the desert somewhere.
There are even some villas available on existing EK compounds, just a few, but left empty because they are unwilling to pay the inflated rental price.
Prior planning would have prevented this p*** poor performance.
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I believe basing will be next for new hires with a drastic change in policy . Line in the sand (pardon the pun) and all that. End of housing, crewing ans expansion problems in one go.
There is alot of potential dreaded DEC and halo wearing FO candidates in Europe at the moment who dont want to reside in the gulf and are very concerned about the future.
Hiring a defunct carriers chaps as a job lot already rated would solve alot of issues.
Ah labour laws I hear you cry. Give an unemplyed 330/777 chap the option of unemplyment or staying where he is flying new kit on a dubai contract with caveats for basing and domicile and i believe they will bite the hand off in a NY second. Cheaper all round, tax is not eks problem niether is housing but the contract is administered under Dubai law.
It works for Korean.
They invite non typed people with equivalent heavy time to obtain a type rating themselves and then choose a base. If you are typed all the better. The UK for example is awash with 330 pilots, 767 pilots and if the big boys go under all the 777 drivers you can eat. (times are changing at Big Airways and they do retire rather early)
I believe Dragon also had manchester based 747 pilots on a hongkong contract in the past.
All it needs is for the light to go on in some bean counters head and it will make todays bitching about EK look like small fry.
Just thinking out the box gentlemen no offence intended, I know how sensitive some of these issues are
There is alot of potential dreaded DEC and halo wearing FO candidates in Europe at the moment who dont want to reside in the gulf and are very concerned about the future.
Hiring a defunct carriers chaps as a job lot already rated would solve alot of issues.
Ah labour laws I hear you cry. Give an unemplyed 330/777 chap the option of unemplyment or staying where he is flying new kit on a dubai contract with caveats for basing and domicile and i believe they will bite the hand off in a NY second. Cheaper all round, tax is not eks problem niether is housing but the contract is administered under Dubai law.
It works for Korean.
They invite non typed people with equivalent heavy time to obtain a type rating themselves and then choose a base. If you are typed all the better. The UK for example is awash with 330 pilots, 767 pilots and if the big boys go under all the 777 drivers you can eat. (times are changing at Big Airways and they do retire rather early)
I believe Dragon also had manchester based 747 pilots on a hongkong contract in the past.
All it needs is for the light to go on in some bean counters head and it will make todays bitching about EK look like small fry.
Just thinking out the box gentlemen no offence intended, I know how sensitive some of these issues are
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Dont waste you time thinking there is going to be basings. Last pilot meeting it was brought up again and again NO basings.Do you really think its costing EK 200k + for villas,not!
Dubai inflation means more money spent in dubai. If you say the amont of money spent by 2000 pilots is a small amount compared to everything alse in dubai than whatever EK spends on villas is even less
Dubai inflation means more money spent in dubai. If you say the amont of money spent by 2000 pilots is a small amount compared to everything alse in dubai than whatever EK spends on villas is even less
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Hello fatbus,
Thats the rub , they probably have no intention of basing existing crew no matter how senior. a drastic cahnge in policy would need a huge event as a catalyst.
As an example lets just say BA starts redundancies in the next two years. Plenty of 777 drivers about already non domiciled,not ready for retirement already rated,hugely experienced and quite happy to sign up to a middle eastern carier that is willing to let them carry on their lifestyle despite different general contracts.
Instant experienced base at LHR, no overheads as they currently manifest themselves.
I can asure you there would be many takers.
As for morale in Dubai weel they dont really care anyway. A re recruitment ban would ensure no one jumps ship to get rhired , or even only poach from one demographic.
Like I said just thinking out of a changing box.
Thats the rub , they probably have no intention of basing existing crew no matter how senior. a drastic cahnge in policy would need a huge event as a catalyst.
As an example lets just say BA starts redundancies in the next two years. Plenty of 777 drivers about already non domiciled,not ready for retirement already rated,hugely experienced and quite happy to sign up to a middle eastern carier that is willing to let them carry on their lifestyle despite different general contracts.
Instant experienced base at LHR, no overheads as they currently manifest themselves.
I can asure you there would be many takers.
As for morale in Dubai weel they dont really care anyway. A re recruitment ban would ensure no one jumps ship to get rhired , or even only poach from one demographic.
Like I said just thinking out of a changing box.
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Yes you would have lots of takers. I think they could do it my formng a separate company and offering contracts, similar to Atlas.but as of now they still think that there is no problem to get guys to come to dxb.
Good summer time gossip
Anyone notice the additional 333 order x30
Good summer time gossip
Anyone notice the additional 333 order x30
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WW: What planet are you from?
The 777 is the most efficient long-haul aircraft in the fleet and they want more as the 744 uses fuel 30%+ fuel.
I realise you want to play devil's advocate but have some sense.
Also the hiring of a job lot of a defunct carriers pilots also ensures that the culture of that airline comes with them. This poses all sorts of problems and if it threatens their control over the pilots they won't do it.
Part of the Dubai experience are the trials and tribulations of the indoctrination process and exposure to the 'if you don't like it leave' mentality.
Basings, while they make sense to many of us, won't happen soon and are being kept firmly 'in the box'.
The 777 is the most efficient long-haul aircraft in the fleet and they want more as the 744 uses fuel 30%+ fuel.
I realise you want to play devil's advocate but have some sense.
Also the hiring of a job lot of a defunct carriers pilots also ensures that the culture of that airline comes with them. This poses all sorts of problems and if it threatens their control over the pilots they won't do it.
Part of the Dubai experience are the trials and tribulations of the indoctrination process and exposure to the 'if you don't like it leave' mentality.
Basings, while they make sense to many of us, won't happen soon and are being kept firmly 'in the box'.
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