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Can anyone let me know how quickly ek get you through initial training on the 777. Would it be right to expect about 3 months from start to finishing line training?
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You'd better go for up to 5 months. Reason beeing the lack of TRI/Es. I know of a FO who was sitting on his butt for 1 month without getting the last sim, then no flights, because of no instructors!
Why this lack of instructors? Because they work their a**es off, little days off, and get crap flights, .......
Why this lack of instructors? Because they work their a**es off, little days off, and get crap flights, .......
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Get used to saying terms like "oh i see" when you totally and utterly disagree with an EK trainer. It helps, trust me habib. Inshallah you will not meet one of the EK astronauts during training. Less of them these days, infact less trainers all round than 2 years ago 
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Get used to saying terms like "oh i see" when you totally and utterly disagree with an EK trainer. It helps, trust me habib. Inshallah you will not meet one of the EK astronauts during training. Less of them these days, infact less trainers all round than 2 years ago
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I couldn't disagree more. It's "Check". Whenever anyone in the cockpit or debrief says anything, just say "Check". Guaranteed 4s on everything.
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I couldn't disagree more. It's "Check". Whenever anyone in the cockpit or debrief says anything, just say "Check". Guaranteed 4s on everything.
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Is it possible EK are using "line" pilots as "instructors"???
The shortage of both experienced pilots and experienced instructors seems to be the current dilemma within our industry as a whole. Usually, a system that uses "experienced" line pilots has more flaws to it than benefits. High time line Captain? Instant instructor! Sorry, nothing could be further from the truth.
Ego is the biggest impediment to effective instruction and knowledge is power. Power can be abused, especially where large egos are involved, which at times, is human nature. It's nice to have alot more knowledge than most around you, especially if you can rub it in someone's face.
Nice. But, pretty damned cocky.
Any "line" pilot that brings those traits into their "line" pilot instructor methods, IMHO, should be removed from that duty and responsibility IMMEDIATELY.
Certainly, the old ways of doing business in the airlines, which was to make each sim session more of a test and a battle of wits than the learning sessions they should be, seems to be what's implied by the comments above.
If there is no effective "train the trainer" program for these "line" pilots to complete, then the comments above might also be expected. Simply stated, not everyone can teach. Any student can quickly identify who among previous instructors could and couldn't teach. To say those who can, fly and those who can't, teach is the stupidest comment any professional pilot worth his salt could ever make.
A number of airlines today have a proper group of Instructors who are trained to teach and who are familiar with effective instructional methods and techniques separate and apart from its' group of Check Airmen who are trained to Check. These two groups are never intermixed. So that, when a student runs into "trouble" following training, both he/she and his/her instructor would have some questions to answer. Not just the student.
You train to the standard. (Not a "line" pilots' idea of standard} Recommend the student when the standard is met. Hand them off to the checkers and go from there.
But then, EK training department knows all that? Don't they.
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The shortage of both experienced pilots and experienced instructors seems to be the current dilemma within our industry as a whole. Usually, a system that uses "experienced" line pilots has more flaws to it than benefits. High time line Captain? Instant instructor! Sorry, nothing could be further from the truth.
Ego is the biggest impediment to effective instruction and knowledge is power. Power can be abused, especially where large egos are involved, which at times, is human nature. It's nice to have alot more knowledge than most around you, especially if you can rub it in someone's face.
Nice. But, pretty damned cocky.
Any "line" pilot that brings those traits into their "line" pilot instructor methods, IMHO, should be removed from that duty and responsibility IMMEDIATELY.
Certainly, the old ways of doing business in the airlines, which was to make each sim session more of a test and a battle of wits than the learning sessions they should be, seems to be what's implied by the comments above.
If there is no effective "train the trainer" program for these "line" pilots to complete, then the comments above might also be expected. Simply stated, not everyone can teach. Any student can quickly identify who among previous instructors could and couldn't teach. To say those who can, fly and those who can't, teach is the stupidest comment any professional pilot worth his salt could ever make.
A number of airlines today have a proper group of Instructors who are trained to teach and who are familiar with effective instructional methods and techniques separate and apart from its' group of Check Airmen who are trained to Check. These two groups are never intermixed. So that, when a student runs into "trouble" following training, both he/she and his/her instructor would have some questions to answer. Not just the student.
You train to the standard. (Not a "line" pilots' idea of standard} Recommend the student when the standard is met. Hand them off to the checkers and go from there.
But then, EK training department knows all that? Don't they.
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Willie, I awould also add that the 'Checkers' should not necessarily be the most senior - which tends to be the trend. It takes much more skill and knowledge to TRAIN then it does to check. This is proven everyday in many countries where the Transport authority has inpectors/checkers who don't even fly the aircraft hey are checking on (at least not on even close to a regular basis).
Keeping the motivated and skilled trainers is essential.
Keeping the motivated and skilled trainers is essential.
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Willie
What i wanted to say is, that your comments might make some sense, but i question your ever having come close to Middle Eastern culture.
If not - do so and then post again.
If yes - it would be my turn not to understand what you meant.
What i wanted to say is, that your comments might make some sense, but i question your ever having come close to Middle Eastern culture.
If not - do so and then post again.
If yes - it would be my turn not to understand what you meant.
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The answer to your previous question would be, yes I have.
As a matter of fact. I spent several years as a younger man east of the 45th.
In fact, pretty darn close to N24 26.6 E054 38.8 to be precise.
With regard to the culture and face saving attitude of "locals", I think I'll stay out of that dialogue but, I'm pretty sure you and I would be on the same page.
Thanks for asking
The answer to your previous question would be, yes I have.
As a matter of fact. I spent several years as a younger man east of the 45th.
In fact, pretty darn close to N24 26.6 E054 38.8 to be precise.
With regard to the culture and face saving attitude of "locals", I think I'll stay out of that dialogue but, I'm pretty sure you and I would be on the same page.
Thanks for asking
