Emirates-Direct entry Capt's
Emirates-Direct entry Capt's
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Will Emirates need direct entry Captains.
Flew as a passsenger recently speaking to the crew with all the expansion on the cards.
Will emirates need direct entry Captains soon.
Those within please discuss?
Will emirates need direct entry Captains soon.
Those within please discuss?
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Not heard anything through the rumour mill, but very much doubt the compnay will take DE capts.
Reason: loads of recent additions to the company with command experience on aircraft types, especially A330/A340 who are well ahead of any waiting for the DE route to cammand.
I may be wrong, but there would have to be a major change to the company ethos, and some very unhappy sand-campers to overcome before it happens.
If I hear different I will post it.
TTFN
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Reason: loads of recent additions to the company with command experience on aircraft types, especially A330/A340 who are well ahead of any waiting for the DE route to cammand.
I may be wrong, but there would have to be a major change to the company ethos, and some very unhappy sand-campers to overcome before it happens.
If I hear different I will post it.
TTFN
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As i mentioned on another thread, i have heard rumors from several different sources, none of which i would call an authority, that the DE captain issue is back on the table. Certainly they have gone a long way down the list to find 330 qualified guys who have accelerated command requirements.
Combine this with the problems in the training department, and it is feasible that DE captains may be looked at again to get TCK out of a bit of a bind.
Having said all that, I strongly suspect that it is probably all hysteria driven by the amount of F/O's that are currently being bypassed. I certainly hope so, as DEC's will alter the atmosphere here dramatically, and for some time.
DMF
Combine this with the problems in the training department, and it is feasible that DE captains may be looked at again to get TCK out of a bit of a bind.
Having said all that, I strongly suspect that it is probably all hysteria driven by the amount of F/O's that are currently being bypassed. I certainly hope so, as DEC's will alter the atmosphere here dramatically, and for some time.
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It seems that they may be shooting themselves in the foot somewhat with the upgrade policy, I know that it isn't flight ops who make the policy. But the fact that you could have 1001 hrs on a jet weighing 10001kgs and get an accelerated upgrade when someone else has 3000hrs for example on a turboprop weighing 24000kgs and can't get an accelerated upgrade seems to be detrimental and somewhat shortsighted of the company if they are short of potential captains.
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The upgrade policy in EK is a joke and doesn't make sense, more than 100 F/O's have been bypassed so far.
There are many F/O's with thousands of hours on 747's or other widebodys who are bypassed by people who have 1000 hours PIC time on small jets.
There is no more seniority in Ek.
Quo vadis EK?
There are many F/O's with thousands of hours on 747's or other widebodys who are bypassed by people who have 1000 hours PIC time on small jets.
There is no more seniority in Ek.
Quo vadis EK?
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There never has been a seniority list at emirates. Just the illusion of one. Everythig that is happening now happened 2 years ago, and probably 2 years prior to that.
When people write on pprune that all is not as it seems at EK, you should take note.
DMF
When people write on pprune that all is not as it seems at EK, you should take note.
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ahh boo hoo guys... I am willing to bet that all the guys with negative comments are the ones who do not meet the current requirements for the so called accelerated command. The truth is that when they joined they knew the rules but now that a couple of years has passed and they see some guys who do meet the requirements get what is promised in the rules and all they think about is how raw a deal they are getting. What I say is cool your jets and be patient, all that is coming will come and in a couple of years all concernd will be captain. Stop whinning.
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Yes we will need DE Capt
Hi guys,
Thinking of joining emirates?
We have a very radical director of flight ops, with old fashion management style. Disciplinary actions for everything and the encouragement of a reporting system, where Pilots report Pilots and junior flight att. are reporting seniors and pursers are reporting Pilots. He is trying very hard to destroy the motivation and the loyalty of his staff.
Rules and regulations do only apply for staff and not for the management. They reserve the right to do what they want to do, and believe me they are doing what they want to do.
Seniority for upgrades is non-existent. The A-330 fleet bypasses the whole B777 fleet. Bad luck for those sitting on the B-777 at the moment. If you on the Airbus you will get your upgrade in less than one year. If you are on the B-777 it will take you up to 4 years. Bypass pay? Are you joking or what? We are making so much profit this year that we cannot effort something like this! The attitude of the management is “take it or leave it” and you no what, they can afford it because you out their might also need a job. So what does this mean for new guys? About 7 years in the right hand seat. So be prepared that you will not be able to save a lot of money as first officer
Dubai is very nice and offers a lot of activities and a nice but expansive lifestyle. It is family friendly and the schooling is also good. Due to the bad usd exchange rate you lose about 20 % of your salary. By the end of the day you will recognise that emirates is just another airline and nothing more. Don’t expect the golden camel when you arrive or apply.
Furthermore emirates are looking into DE Capt. So if you hold an A-330 command wait a little bit and than join as DE. Bad for us and good for your guys out their with no job.
The amount of empty promises is breaking the sound barrier at the moment.
Thinking of joining emirates?
We have a very radical director of flight ops, with old fashion management style. Disciplinary actions for everything and the encouragement of a reporting system, where Pilots report Pilots and junior flight att. are reporting seniors and pursers are reporting Pilots. He is trying very hard to destroy the motivation and the loyalty of his staff.
Rules and regulations do only apply for staff and not for the management. They reserve the right to do what they want to do, and believe me they are doing what they want to do.
Seniority for upgrades is non-existent. The A-330 fleet bypasses the whole B777 fleet. Bad luck for those sitting on the B-777 at the moment. If you on the Airbus you will get your upgrade in less than one year. If you are on the B-777 it will take you up to 4 years. Bypass pay? Are you joking or what? We are making so much profit this year that we cannot effort something like this! The attitude of the management is “take it or leave it” and you no what, they can afford it because you out their might also need a job. So what does this mean for new guys? About 7 years in the right hand seat. So be prepared that you will not be able to save a lot of money as first officer
Dubai is very nice and offers a lot of activities and a nice but expansive lifestyle. It is family friendly and the schooling is also good. Due to the bad usd exchange rate you lose about 20 % of your salary. By the end of the day you will recognise that emirates is just another airline and nothing more. Don’t expect the golden camel when you arrive or apply.
Furthermore emirates are looking into DE Capt. So if you hold an A-330 command wait a little bit and than join as DE. Bad for us and good for your guys out their with no job.
The amount of empty promises is breaking the sound barrier at the moment.
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Crazycanuk, I strongly disagree with your statement that the guys knew the rules when they joined. EK was changing the upgrade requirements and a lot of F/O´s suddenly found themselves not eligible for command anymore...management is changing the rules whenever it suits the company...
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CrazyCanuk, and all other interested parties
Sandman is correct. Yes there are many people here that joined under the new rule and were aware of what they were getting into, but all the 777 guys who are being bypassed at the moment, joined when the only rule was 4500 hours total time and 1000 on jets (there were some caveats on the 4500 hrs in regard to 2nd pilot and aircraft weight) to be eligible for a command. The rules changed after they quit their jobs and arrived in Dubai. Many of them are justifiably very frustrated. I think most guys can understand and accept the accelerated command process, until they start upgrading guys 18 months out of seniority. And that is the accelerated command seniority. The irony is that last year several 777 guys were bypassed by 330 F/O's because the company only had transition command courses. This year some 777 F/O's are being bypassed for 330 commands because they only have short courses on the 330.
All of the above is really just technicalities. The real message here is that if you have a good job, think long and hard before you leave it to come here. Just as things have changed significantly over recent years, so will they change again. It may be for the better, but if history is any indicator it will likely be for the worse.
If on the other hand you dont have a good job or you have a burning desire to live in the Middle East, then come on over, it is worth it for the chance at a widebody command and Dubai is by far the pick of the Middle East cities. Just dont assume that the rules of today will continue to apply once you are employed.
I am also willing to bet that CrazyCanuk probably does meet the accelerated command criteria, and is probably already on a course and is so engrossed with his own self interest that he cannot spare the time to consider how he would feel if he was on the receiving end of EK random contract variations.
Sandman is correct. Yes there are many people here that joined under the new rule and were aware of what they were getting into, but all the 777 guys who are being bypassed at the moment, joined when the only rule was 4500 hours total time and 1000 on jets (there were some caveats on the 4500 hrs in regard to 2nd pilot and aircraft weight) to be eligible for a command. The rules changed after they quit their jobs and arrived in Dubai. Many of them are justifiably very frustrated. I think most guys can understand and accept the accelerated command process, until they start upgrading guys 18 months out of seniority. And that is the accelerated command seniority. The irony is that last year several 777 guys were bypassed by 330 F/O's because the company only had transition command courses. This year some 777 F/O's are being bypassed for 330 commands because they only have short courses on the 330.
All of the above is really just technicalities. The real message here is that if you have a good job, think long and hard before you leave it to come here. Just as things have changed significantly over recent years, so will they change again. It may be for the better, but if history is any indicator it will likely be for the worse.
If on the other hand you dont have a good job or you have a burning desire to live in the Middle East, then come on over, it is worth it for the chance at a widebody command and Dubai is by far the pick of the Middle East cities. Just dont assume that the rules of today will continue to apply once you are employed.
I am also willing to bet that CrazyCanuk probably does meet the accelerated command criteria, and is probably already on a course and is so engrossed with his own self interest that he cannot spare the time to consider how he would feel if he was on the receiving end of EK random contract variations.
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Reverend Doctor Doug, drygin7, sandman1, druckmefunk,
well spoken guys, I tried to lighten up the current situation in EK, but whenever somebodys says anything bad about EK everybody jumps on him.
I guess some people who want to join EK just don't want to hear the real story behind EK.
I know, nobody can force me to stay with EK and if I don't like it I can always leave, but shall I leave a once great job because EK made a mistake and hired the wrong DFO?
I just hope we get rid of him and life changes to normal.
For the new joiners just face it, time to command will be 7 years or more, the good years for fast command are over, unless you have A330 command time.
well spoken guys, I tried to lighten up the current situation in EK, but whenever somebodys says anything bad about EK everybody jumps on him.
I guess some people who want to join EK just don't want to hear the real story behind EK.
I know, nobody can force me to stay with EK and if I don't like it I can always leave, but shall I leave a once great job because EK made a mistake and hired the wrong DFO?
I just hope we get rid of him and life changes to normal.
For the new joiners just face it, time to command will be 7 years or more, the good years for fast command are over, unless you have A330 command time.
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The irony is that last year several 777 guys were bypassed by 330 F/O's because the company only had transition command courses. This year some 777 F/O's are being bypassed for 330 commands because they only have short courses on the 330.
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It is high time that everyone realised that once you join ANY Airline as an ex-pat the normal employment rights you might perhaps have enjoyed in your own country go out of the window.Contracts are not worth the paper they are written on and your services can be terminated at any time without any reason being given. In as much as there is any job security anywhere these days, seniority is a meaningless word in effect in most ex-pat airlines and reasons for upgrades can always massaged.
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Land of equal opportunities, seniority and golden camels??? I think NOT!! Best thing to do here is look after yourself as the management won't. There are far better things to do than get bitter and twisted about what the company hasn't done for the troops as it will get you nowhere. With the current DFO at the helm policies and trust as about as credible as what camels expel from their rear ends. I see this place as a means to an end, nothing more, nothing less. It is unfortunately that I write this but there is DEFINITELY no managing of pilots at EK. The reporting culture, wearing of uniforms to Training College and lack of respect for managers (except for LL) will continue probably long after we leave this place. Do yourselves a favour and just make the most of your time in Dubai. As for the guys being bypassed due to policy changes (thank you Gulf Air!!) keep positive and enjoy the right seat cos' when you change seats management will be all over you like flies to s_ _ t for any small occurence. 
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EK DECs.
Did a search but the answer did not pop up.
Can someone tell me the number of new-hired DEC by Emirates in 2006 and back in 2005? And the number of FOs? I am trying to get a better picture.
Thanks !
Can someone tell me the number of new-hired DEC by Emirates in 2006 and back in 2005? And the number of FOs? I am trying to get a better picture.
Thanks !
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As posted before, the accelerated command is out of the picture. That is if the rules are being followed. There are way to many guys with over 3 years who should have the priority. Even if you join on the Boeing fleet, by the time you get to your accelerated time (18 months) there will be quite a lot of colleagues ahead of you.
If EK plays it by the rules, forget about the accelerated stuff and expect a command between 4 and 5 years if you join now. The longer you wait, the longer the wait will be..
Then again:
EK is not keeping to the policies. A few accelerated guys just bypassed a lot of 3 year guys with NO valid reason. So to answer your question:
Accelerated is 18 months in the company, 8000hrs of which 2000 in command of a +55ton Jet.
I heard recently from a friend on the Boeing fleet that they won't use the 55ton criterium anymore, so if you were on a regional jet, you might even get an accelerated command.
Conclussion: Don't come here for a fast command!!! EK changes the rules so often, and when changed, they will follow a different set of rules anyhow, so fast upgrading is becoming a bit of a lotery. If you have your mind set on 5 years, you won't be far of the 'normal' scenario. Should you get an earlier upgrade: lucky you! But in case it doesn't happen, that won't be a thing you are unhappy about. (And there is plenty more tho b1tch and moan about)
MR8
If EK plays it by the rules, forget about the accelerated stuff and expect a command between 4 and 5 years if you join now. The longer you wait, the longer the wait will be..
Then again:
EK is not keeping to the policies. A few accelerated guys just bypassed a lot of 3 year guys with NO valid reason. So to answer your question:
Accelerated is 18 months in the company, 8000hrs of which 2000 in command of a +55ton Jet.
I heard recently from a friend on the Boeing fleet that they won't use the 55ton criterium anymore, so if you were on a regional jet, you might even get an accelerated command.
Conclussion: Don't come here for a fast command!!! EK changes the rules so often, and when changed, they will follow a different set of rules anyhow, so fast upgrading is becoming a bit of a lotery. If you have your mind set on 5 years, you won't be far of the 'normal' scenario. Should you get an earlier upgrade: lucky you! But in case it doesn't happen, that won't be a thing you are unhappy about. (And there is plenty more tho b1tch and moan about)
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Thanks for your info MR8. I was interested to know what it actually was for my own information. I have approximately 8000 hours total with 2000 hours co-pilot B737NG and 1200 hours command Dash 8. With this kind of experience you reckon about 4-5 years command?