Nice paycut today.....
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BelArgUSA,
You're 64, still struggling. You don't complain, well, continue to do so.
But not everybody wants to end up like you. Your path is unfortunately not a life example for a lot of us, including me.
I hope you don't sadly finish your life when still on the job, that would make your life story....very sad indeed.
Happy flying to all of us, we have got something to look up to!
In the meantime, like the wise is wisely saying:
Its your decision, it's not the company's fault (or responsability), take your USD$....Shut up, drive, and you will have a very successful, happy and very long carreer.!!!!
You're 64, still struggling. You don't complain, well, continue to do so.
But not everybody wants to end up like you. Your path is unfortunately not a life example for a lot of us, including me.
I hope you don't sadly finish your life when still on the job, that would make your life story....very sad indeed.
Happy flying to all of us, we have got something to look up to!
In the meantime, like the wise is wisely saying:
Its your decision, it's not the company's fault (or responsability), take your USD$....Shut up, drive, and you will have a very successful, happy and very long carreer.!!!!
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Thanks for the summary of your career, it has certainly been interesting and I wish you the best in your retirement. However, do you feel that because you had it tough then the rest of the expat pilot group should just suffer as well. Do you not hope that there will be an improvement in conditions for the industry, to benefit those that follow you? What do you hope for the young pilots starting their carreers today, that if they are forced to expatriate for similar reasons to you, then they as well should suffer the downs that you speak of? What is it you want us to learn from the "old timers" that crap happens and just put up with it. Not this black duck...
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forget this BelArgUsa
I been working for the only company that has 747's in arg for the last 20 years and nobody here fits this guy description. Not to mention that if you've joined the company in 93 you would only've been promoted to captain on the 732 recently. But this is not the point. What amazes me is this guy imagination as well as the time he must spend searching for data to make his posts look real. one can really find some interesting characters in this forum!
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Sounds like Capt. America - southern branch, or someone in HR... desperate measures in either case...
Whilst some of us seem to be sowing the seeds of discontent here, the ground is very fertile... Bel-end's fatuous comments will fail to impress anyone actually living here.
We are taking a hell of a beating here with exchange rates, interest rates, general decline in terms and conditions, rosters, leave, "life style"... have a look at the rest of the issues, they are well covered here...
The fact is of course it is all relative. Several years ago EK seemed good enough for me and I jumped. 20/20 hindsight makes that decision a huge mistake. There was just not enough information then as there is now to make a better decision. In fact EK was not that bad a choice then... it is the years of decline thereafter that makes it a mistake. I had faith, very well misplaced as it turns out, that at least I would maintain the level of Ts & Cs on joining... I WAS WRONG. I am at least 30-40% worse off.
Those coming now must see EK as a benefit but they will start on a lower step compared to when I joined and only better relative to what they are leaving behind... Given time the same downward trend will erode any benefit seen by them today to the point where what was left behind won't seem so bad...
Whilst some of us seem to be sowing the seeds of discontent here, the ground is very fertile... Bel-end's fatuous comments will fail to impress anyone actually living here.
We are taking a hell of a beating here with exchange rates, interest rates, general decline in terms and conditions, rosters, leave, "life style"... have a look at the rest of the issues, they are well covered here...
The fact is of course it is all relative. Several years ago EK seemed good enough for me and I jumped. 20/20 hindsight makes that decision a huge mistake. There was just not enough information then as there is now to make a better decision. In fact EK was not that bad a choice then... it is the years of decline thereafter that makes it a mistake. I had faith, very well misplaced as it turns out, that at least I would maintain the level of Ts & Cs on joining... I WAS WRONG. I am at least 30-40% worse off.
Those coming now must see EK as a benefit but they will start on a lower step compared to when I joined and only better relative to what they are leaving behind... Given time the same downward trend will erode any benefit seen by them today to the point where what was left behind won't seem so bad...
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If you join today your T&C are at their best they will ever be. Just learning about how the clauses of your contract are applied might make you realize it's not exactly what you expected. Don't expect too much and you are ok. One thing you can expect is that it will change from the minute you are here... one way only and nobody will ask for your opinion. Now we can all tell you in which way it will change... That is a fact!
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There is much evidence around of companies using ficticious characters to manipulate this site. Examples:
Benign or irrelevant comments to bring recruitment related threads to the top and increase viewings.
Counter viewpoints within threads related to negative comment on current situations.
Thread diversion by unrelated digression or personal attack
Seems we are fighting a disinformation battle.
Benign or irrelevant comments to bring recruitment related threads to the top and increase viewings.
Counter viewpoints within threads related to negative comment on current situations.
Thread diversion by unrelated digression or personal attack
Seems we are fighting a disinformation battle.
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schismatic,
i agree. it only proves that they have a lot to hide. another is the removal of threads for no apparent reason. i wonder if pprune moderators are immune to bribery. hope i don't get sin binned for that comment. but the reality is airlines are big businesses with a lot at stake. i can not for a moment believe that they will freely allow pilots and other industry professionals to attack their policies without using underhanded tactics of their own. everyone has a price.
i agree. it only proves that they have a lot to hide. another is the removal of threads for no apparent reason. i wonder if pprune moderators are immune to bribery. hope i don't get sin binned for that comment. but the reality is airlines are big businesses with a lot at stake. i can not for a moment believe that they will freely allow pilots and other industry professionals to attack their policies without using underhanded tactics of their own. everyone has a price.
BelArgUSA you are a total loon, I think you have deep regrets about wasting your life in the sandpit when you could have been home. Wheres the extra cash a man of your age should have a decent stash after being an airline pilot for so many years.
Also your comment on paying no tax is flawed as most airlines overseas pay double the middle east carriers so after tax are still better off.
Also your comment on paying no tax is flawed as most airlines overseas pay double the middle east carriers so after tax are still better off.
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And another one today! EURO at 1.56!
The Euro has gone from 1.36 to 1.56 in 6 months. That's 14% devaluation of salary measured against this currency.
Enjoy the paycut.
The Euro has gone from 1.36 to 1.56 in 6 months. That's 14% devaluation of salary measured against this currency.
Enjoy the paycut.
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Dream on.
But yes for practical purposes I would call it a payrise. It would buy more and thats all I'm interested in - the goods and services that I can purchase in various parts of the world.
But yes for practical purposes I would call it a payrise. It would buy more and thats all I'm interested in - the goods and services that I can purchase in various parts of the world.
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You'll never guess.....
The US dollar has hit yet another record low of 1.5687 against the euro amidst a lethal dose of economic data and news that a liquidity crisis at Bear Stearns requires the help of JP Morgan and the Federal Reserve Bank of New York. The dollar's slide has also taken the currency down to parity with the Swiss franc for the first time ever, while the greenback continues to hover near the 100 yen mark.
Daily FX
The US dollar has hit yet another record low of 1.5687 against the euro amidst a lethal dose of economic data and news that a liquidity crisis at Bear Stearns requires the help of JP Morgan and the Federal Reserve Bank of New York. The dollar's slide has also taken the currency down to parity with the Swiss franc for the first time ever, while the greenback continues to hover near the 100 yen mark.
Daily FX
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parity with the Swiss franc........my god, I remember when I got about 4! No wonder the US tourists are staying away! On the other hand, I am filling my suitcases when ever I am in the US! Even EU made goods are MUCH cheaper there!
Maybe it will change when the US administration changes and there are several years of improvements. Not to forget that the US is also an oil producer and they have come from behind in the past. Not time to abandon hope...just yet.
-always the optimist!
Maybe it will change when the US administration changes and there are several years of improvements. Not to forget that the US is also an oil producer and they have come from behind in the past. Not time to abandon hope...just yet.
-always the optimist!
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Guys,
Please don't look at the Dollar-Euro-Dhs rates before you finish your coffee. You might choke....
It's time to get those noodle cookers dusted....Jeeeez....
How low can we go....It's not funny any more....
Please don't look at the Dollar-Euro-Dhs rates before you finish your coffee. You might choke....
It's time to get those noodle cookers dusted....Jeeeez....
How low can we go....It's not funny any more....
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Euro touches 1.59
So how much of a paycut did we get today? The dollar is collapsing, so is the dirham. No revaluation - its great to have all these workers costing less every month.
This isn't funny. Prices in the UAE are about to go out of control.
So how much of a paycut did we get today? The dollar is collapsing, so is the dirham. No revaluation - its great to have all these workers costing less every month.
This isn't funny. Prices in the UAE are about to go out of control.
