Etihad - A flight deck visit?
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From: Holland
Etihad - A flight deck visit?
I suppose I am wasting my time with current regulations in place. But if you don't ask.......
I am semi-retired, a lifetime in aviation, pilot, instructor, manager, flight inspector etc. Pax in cattle class 20th Dec. Johannesburg to Abu Dhabi. 21st Abu Dhabi to Sydney (a loo-oong flight) and return on the 12th of January.
Any suggestions?
I am semi-retired, a lifetime in aviation, pilot, instructor, manager, flight inspector etc. Pax in cattle class 20th Dec. Johannesburg to Abu Dhabi. 21st Abu Dhabi to Sydney (a loo-oong flight) and return on the 12th of January.
Any suggestions?
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From: Somehwere on the planet
Just ask on the ground before or after the flight when the crew isn't too busy, most of the guys won't mind at all once the aircraft is at the gate.
Not going to happen anymore unfortunately airborne. Wish we could still do that.
Not going to happen anymore unfortunately airborne. Wish we could still do that.
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From: UAE
"Heard one of the EY captains got reported recently by one of the trolley dollies for that and got into a little !!!!"
Actually, the Bit.h got in sh.t, for reporting the Captain, because the visit was by one of the "approved" people.
Actually, the Bit.h got in sh.t, for reporting the Captain, because the visit was by one of the "approved" people.
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From: dubai
I don't recommend asking for a jumpseat. The rules are in place for good reason. If any Captain accepts a request for a cockpit visit during a flight, other than for those individuals allowed, I think he would be crazy.
When it comes to company employees not being allowed flight deck seats or company pilots trying to get home etc, then of course that is up to each company. If you are unaware, our company pilots are not allowed flight deck visits while travelling. In fact I can't even get a jumpseat for travel. It is unfortunate that some companies have taken the opportunity to deny jumpseat access as a means of 'control' over pilots and other personel but when it comes to jumpseat access to non-company people, clearly this is not only a required lawful denial but post 911 it is common sense too.
I don't know any pilot who would accept a request for a cockpit visit during a flight. I often entertain people in the flightdeck once parked at the end of the flight though.
When it comes to company employees not being allowed flight deck seats or company pilots trying to get home etc, then of course that is up to each company. If you are unaware, our company pilots are not allowed flight deck visits while travelling. In fact I can't even get a jumpseat for travel. It is unfortunate that some companies have taken the opportunity to deny jumpseat access as a means of 'control' over pilots and other personel but when it comes to jumpseat access to non-company people, clearly this is not only a required lawful denial but post 911 it is common sense too.
I don't know any pilot who would accept a request for a cockpit visit during a flight. I often entertain people in the flightdeck once parked at the end of the flight though.
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From: Holland
Ahh...ahh the "Jumpseat"
Please let us not open a can of worms......
I asked a simple question and the answer is loud and clear! NO!
However, let us not forget what these rules and regulation are suppose to stop or prevent.
We in south africa live in Fort Know to the power of 10, and crime, rape and the killing are getting worse.
The only point I am trying to make is that if someone wants your aircraft, he/she will take it. Nothing seems to stop the f
rs.
Take care you guys and dolls. Have a wonderful festive period and do a good (a real pisser) landing for me!
Please let us not open a can of worms......
I asked a simple question and the answer is loud and clear! NO!
However, let us not forget what these rules and regulation are suppose to stop or prevent.
We in south africa live in Fort Know to the power of 10, and crime, rape and the killing are getting worse.
The only point I am trying to make is that if someone wants your aircraft, he/she will take it. Nothing seems to stop the f
rs.Take care you guys and dolls. Have a wonderful festive period and do a good (a real pisser) landing for me!
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From: KUL
why would a crewmember get in trouble for reporting what she thought to be a security breach???
personally, i dont appreciate these 'reporting' culture. if my crew has any issues, it would be appropriate if we sort it out. only if the matter cannot be resolve, should a report be made. at least thats what i try to encourage my crew to do 
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From: London
in an organisation where changes occur not because they suit the organisational requirments but because they help to meet personal goals, rules fall in the gray area.
Unless you are well connected or plugged in by someone influential, whatever decision you make is not the right one, even though common sense and training does tell you otherwise.
Welcome to the Etihad culture!
Unless you are well connected or plugged in by someone influential, whatever decision you make is not the right one, even though common sense and training does tell you otherwise.
Welcome to the Etihad culture!
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From: UAE
Ironbutt, Yes, that is the point I was trying to make. All she had to do was ask him, but instead she figured she would write a report and "get a Captain in trouble" and it would further her career. This atmosphere never existed here until recently. You can make your own assumptions about that.
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From: united arab emirates
hi
My Dear
according to what you ask is not even the company rules but is the GCAA rules CAR OPS 1 you can find it very clear any time i travle i dont like to be with POB but with my CPT&FO but what to do is 9/11
according to what you ask is not even the company rules but is the GCAA rules CAR OPS 1 you can find it very clear any time i travle i dont like to be with POB but with my CPT&FO but what to do is 9/11
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From: Not here any more.
She reported him in retaliation for allowing the crew controlled rest during a very delayed flight. She countermanded the captains decision allowing the crew to rest and then she promptly fell asleep in her jumpseat. When called to task by him on both issues she tried to get even by reporting him. Most GF cabin managers are good but there are a few bad apples who came over to EY.
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From: Holland
"A happy crew is a safe crew"
I am not suggesting the opposite is true but I have been reading Pprune for a long time and if the opposite was true then there is not a safe airline on pprune.
Just as well you cannot program "emotion" into the FMS.
Tomorrow will be my first flight on Etihad and please "smiles" all round......its Xmas.
I have been in aviation just short of 50 years, you have the world at your feet, don't screw it up. Enjoy it.
Sadly, with the current atmosphere worldwide, visiting any flight deck is no longer a desired option.
I am not suggesting the opposite is true but I have been reading Pprune for a long time and if the opposite was true then there is not a safe airline on pprune.
Just as well you cannot program "emotion" into the FMS.
Tomorrow will be my first flight on Etihad and please "smiles" all round......its Xmas.
I have been in aviation just short of 50 years, you have the world at your feet, don't screw it up. Enjoy it.
Sadly, with the current atmosphere worldwide, visiting any flight deck is no longer a desired option.