Emirates trainers shafted again!
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Gortex/emratty:
“The only thing more expensive than education is ignorance.”
'If you don't like it leave' is the constant mantra spewed out from these idiots when issues of concern like this are discussed.
It takes a great deal of time and effort to become a trainer. There are some excellent trainers in EK some of which 'didn't like it and have left'. There are still some very good trainers but also some very average trainers starting to come in.
Perhaps the 'star' should be replaced with an ar*e and carrot because that is how it will be interpreted now.
Training should be something we respect and perhaps aspire to but it is being undermined and debased by the attitude of the training management, a clerk and an engineer at a time we can least afford it.
“The only thing more expensive than education is ignorance.”
'If you don't like it leave' is the constant mantra spewed out from these idiots when issues of concern like this are discussed.
It takes a great deal of time and effort to become a trainer. There are some excellent trainers in EK some of which 'didn't like it and have left'. There are still some very good trainers but also some very average trainers starting to come in.
Perhaps the 'star' should be replaced with an ar*e and carrot because that is how it will be interpreted now.
Training should be something we respect and perhaps aspire to but it is being undermined and debased by the attitude of the training management, a clerk and an engineer at a time we can least afford it.
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I picked up my new bars and wings the other day after a sim as I was essentially in the building. Had to take a number and wait - no fast track here. The wait was 2 hours, fortunately occupied by the 20 new goo goo eyed cabin crew asking stupid questions about their newly learned SEP etc.
Doing the math though I would say that there will be about 300 man hours lost just to pick up something that could easily be dropped in our letter boxes at the training college.
Now that's a good use of a scarce resource.
Just do it on a day off in your top bid month - if you get a day off, chasing the o/t to make up for your pay cut...
Doing the math though I would say that there will be about 300 man hours lost just to pick up something that could easily be dropped in our letter boxes at the training college.
Now that's a good use of a scarce resource.
Just do it on a day off in your top bid month - if you get a day off, chasing the o/t to make up for your pay cut...
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a few years ago lots of great trainers left training to make a point against the deteriorating conditions but lots of brand new captains signed up for training and undermined the resignations, now these guys are complaining about the deteriorating conditions, there will be new guys who will take their jobs and so on, it will get worse and worse, just face it, in EK pilots are their own worst enemies.
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Marooned i certainly don't have a " if you don't like it leave attitude" the fact is trainers do the job for a variety of reasons lifestyle,money,career, even now maybe the gold star however like recruiting, crm instructor etc it is optional. Many of the highly respected senior trainers have left training beacause of the crap lifestyle that the training roster offers but they are instantly replaced by eager recruits who then in turn get cheesed off when they realise its not all its cracked up to be.
Until they put a package in place that will retain the trainers (lifestyle more than the money) this cycle will continue and the company will get an ever deteriorating experience level in the training department.
Until they put a package in place that will retain the trainers (lifestyle more than the money) this cycle will continue and the company will get an ever deteriorating experience level in the training department.
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Gortex/Emratty...
Points taken, but this time it is a little different:
The last time this happened yes the trainers resigned and their places eagerly taken by others. At that time the training demand was slow but it was also an opportunity to build up the department to cope with future requirements... an opportunity lost. The difference now is that there is absolutley no slack in the system. Resignations now will cause substantial delays to transitions, upgrade and recurrent training that cannot be mitigated by expensive third party training which itself is struggling to cope with demand. There is a significant lag in a system, that is already struggling to stand still let alone go forward, to train trainers and get them on the front line.
The aircraft are coming thick and fast and the system is falling apart.
It takes several months to train a trainer and only one more stupid ill-conceived policy to lose one.
The lunatics are running the asylum.
Points taken, but this time it is a little different:
The last time this happened yes the trainers resigned and their places eagerly taken by others. At that time the training demand was slow but it was also an opportunity to build up the department to cope with future requirements... an opportunity lost. The difference now is that there is absolutley no slack in the system. Resignations now will cause substantial delays to transitions, upgrade and recurrent training that cannot be mitigated by expensive third party training which itself is struggling to cope with demand. There is a significant lag in a system, that is already struggling to stand still let alone go forward, to train trainers and get them on the front line.
The aircraft are coming thick and fast and the system is falling apart.
It takes several months to train a trainer and only one more stupid ill-conceived policy to lose one.
The lunatics are running the asylum.
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And you guys were thinking Emirates would give you something for nothing?
It has been like this since day one: whatever they offer you comes at a price. They give you something, they take something else from you.
The company is already 22 years old, but still with "the guy-who-trades-goats-for-camels" mentality and style
It has been like this since day one: whatever they offer you comes at a price. They give you something, they take something else from you.
The company is already 22 years old, but still with "the guy-who-trades-goats-for-camels" mentality and style
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Speedbrake: Go stow yourself.
You totally miss the point: You can have SYD/MEL and day flights... that is a training department decision, trainers cannot bid for trips they would rather have instead.
More money!!! What a joke. It simply isn't. Roster is perhaps a week earlier.
Tosser.
You totally miss the point: You can have SYD/MEL and day flights... that is a training department decision, trainers cannot bid for trips they would rather have instead.
More money!!! What a joke. It simply isn't. Roster is perhaps a week earlier.
Tosser.
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I think there is a point or two that you may have missed
Speedbrake and others make some valid points.
However, it is a fact that training take a percentage of the 'choice' flights which, very obviously, reduces what's left for us mere mortals.
It's also a fact that you do less night flying (turnarounds), know your life some time ahead of the 'line' and take more money home.
You all volunteered for training, happy to take the money so presumably you were happy to take the crap, sorry.... conditions, that go with the job.
Being the superbly trained specimens that you are, you DIDN'T really expect to get something for nothing........ did you?
So, if you're not happy with the level of crap that is now being offered.....
LEAVE.
It's really not that difficult. Dubai, Emirates and the training department all have a shelf life. When the time comes, dump them or it.
, individually or collectively.
Every time I think about going into training, I just look at my rosters and for 3 or 4 out of 5 months, it just ain't worth it.
Peace of mind, lower stress and it only costs AED 3,000 per month
I think there is a point or two that you may have missed
Speedbrake and others make some valid points.
However, it is a fact that training take a percentage of the 'choice' flights which, very obviously, reduces what's left for us mere mortals.
It's also a fact that you do less night flying (turnarounds), know your life some time ahead of the 'line' and take more money home.
You all volunteered for training, happy to take the money so presumably you were happy to take the crap, sorry.... conditions, that go with the job.
Being the superbly trained specimens that you are, you DIDN'T really expect to get something for nothing........ did you?
So, if you're not happy with the level of crap that is now being offered.....
LEAVE.
It's really not that difficult. Dubai, Emirates and the training department all have a shelf life. When the time comes, dump them or it.
, individually or collectively.Every time I think about going into training, I just look at my rosters and for 3 or 4 out of 5 months, it just ain't worth it.
Peace of mind, lower stress and it only costs AED 3,000 per month
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Speedy, Helen et al, if you believe the trainers have it so good already, no night turns, SYD/MEL etc etc then why not become a trainer? Oh thats right, your rosters (work/life balance) is so much better on the line. That my friends is the whole point.... The aim is to make training attractive compared to the line. The fact that you don't believe trainers should still be paid their training allowance on their non training month would indicate that management got it wrong and should pay them. I am happy if someone, anyone, is getting a good deal, isn't that better than no one?
