Emirates to conduct interviews in South America

[togaluck]

You are absolutely right

I apologize, you are right it's the second oldest airline in the world after KLM, but i stand by what i said about the people..
if you want to check an example of what i mean check this youtube video to get an idea of the type of ops
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_z5H...eature=related

I know that is an American Airlines A/C but they flew there daily, dedicated 757 (excelent performance), special roster of crew, only TRE's the local airlines operated 4 times a day by everyone on the line. The wx in the video is one of the best days i've seen at that field, which almost always has low clouds and strong drafts due to the funnel effect form the terrain around. As funny as it sounds, latin american goverments find the worst locations they can to buid their airports i.e. La Paz bolivia... (13,313 ft elevation!), I mean there is something wrong when the tower controller tells you "after take off descend and maintain FL 080"...
cheers, and thanks for the correction.
Togaluck

[BYMONEK]

Having first hand experience of flying around S. America some years back, I agree with what togaluck has posted. The guys are generally well skilled and experienced in operating into these challenging Airfields.

However, I doubt many on here are questioning that aspect. What's being called into question is the poor command of English amongst some of these Pilots. That's what concerns people the most, not how wonderfully they handle a tight visual in high terrain! That may work well when their language is common but a different skill set is required and expected here in EK.

Effective Communications is probably THE most important factor in a safe and efficient multi crew operation. Poor language skills were rarely an issue 5 years ago. It's now become one of the threats i'm sorry to say.

[togaluck]

I agree with you, communications are fundamental in this line of work, if not the most important aspect of our skills, and to my undertanding what people are worried about is these guys coming and not understanding the inter-crew comm, or radio comm; all you have to do is look at some of the guys that are here already, for example indians (whom are suppousedly "native" speakers but lots of us cannot understand at many times), mediocre english of many arabs, western europeans (even brits for some people) eastern europeans, far-east asians and even non-standard phraseology of americans canadians and some of the latin americans already here, but i think that we all have adapted, some faster than others, or would you dare to tell me the first time you wnt to india or Pakistan, or Thailand you didn't struggle a bit? . It's already here, these guys are not coming to anything completely new, most of the airlines in latin america have SOP's in english belive it or not, yeah, atc is most of the time in spanish, but as i said before, most have flown into the US and the caribbean.
I think the ICAO english standarisation is a great thing for aviation, because it will force people whom are less proficient to better themselves. My point is what is standard english anyway? standard phraseology i understand, but standard english? is it british? aussie?american? indian?
most of the guys that would be coming have that level, not all i know.. but most
cheers

[punkalouver]

Mates, please get your info right, Avianca from Colombia is the oldest operating airline in the world, pilots in south america may not be native english speakers, but lets not forget that most of the latter operated within the US and the caribbean (really broken english) for years,

I think you are just making assumptions. Remember the Avianca 707 that ran out of gas in New York. The copilot was the captain's interpretor. The captain had no idea what was being said to ATC. The captain said to declare an emergency which wasnt done.

From the report....."Much of the flightcrew's failure to communicate effectively resulted from limitations in their ability to use the English language, and in their knowledge of standard ATC terminology."

http://amelia.db.erau.edu/reports/ntsb/aar/AAR91-04.pdf

[togaluck]

If you want to go historically

Remember Tenerife, where COMMUNICATION was the main issue and i mean because the captain (KLM's face) had such bad crm and RTF skills, new york was a really bad accident but as always in aviation people learn from mistakes trust me there is a lot of training put into RTF there,, to prevent another accident like that.

[togaluck]

After all that's why they call it HUMAN FACTORS... not latin american, african european far-eastern, I guess all of us fit into that category...at leat I hope!!
cheers