LIFE IN QATAR... Accurate Information Please...No NONSENSE will be appreciated.
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As for people originating from a country with standard to high quality of living:
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well simple Bonga..:
Some of us have decided to give up their hight quality of live(private life: insurance,protection,pension,health care,freedom,respect,lovely country,nature and weather: all those small things wich give you a good quality of live....) for what they thought a better professional live, after having been lured during the interview.
Some of us have decided to give up their hight quality of live(private life: insurance,protection,pension,health care,freedom,respect,lovely country,nature and weather: all those small things wich give you a good quality of live....) for what they thought a better professional live, after having been lured during the interview.
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That's fair enough. But since you were obviously "lied" to during the interview and there's definately no smell of grass or a "great" private life in this part of the world what are you still doing here when your expectations have not been met ? 
If l were you including SOME unhappy dudes from countries which shall remain nameless, l would pull up a bucket and shovel and build myself some sand castles with the rest of us who are making the best of our choices.............
If l were you including SOME unhappy dudes from countries which shall remain nameless, l would pull up a bucket and shovel and build myself some sand castles with the rest of us who are making the best of our choices.............
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I am wondering how can you decide that quality of living in the countries you cited is below average.
Have you ever been there, how can you declare that people originating from there accept to be treated like dirt.
seems to me some kind of racism there.
Just a question at 1 buck how many westerners from the so civilsed countries are working for QR and dealing on a daily basis with your AAB
Have you ever been there, how can you declare that people originating from there accept to be treated like dirt.
seems to me some kind of racism there.
Just a question at 1 buck how many westerners from the so civilsed countries are working for QR and dealing on a daily basis with your AAB
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Anyway nyc Pilot, as you clearly can see, never really a dull moment. Coming for a pre-emptive visit is good advice, but ultimately living here,i.e….going through the day to day routine and life will reveal to you whether you are going to stay or return home or otherwise. That is why I stated that attitude; at least a positive one that is, is what will help in placing matters in perspective for you.
You can be assured of one thing though; life will be different here, both personally and professionally. However, again, and without beating a dead horse so-to-speak, if I moved to Togo or the UK, I am mature and experienced enough to know that life there will definitely be different and that even though it might eventually not be exactly what I expected, a large part of my future happiness there will be up to me. I can stay and if I am unhappy and prone to be a habitual whinger and whiner, I know that all too soon I will be disseminating that poison amongst the people close to me, more importantly my family…..a sure sign that I must either change or leave. I hate to oversimplify it, but that is essentially what is required of all of us………
B.Bonga and Looseobject, I wouldn’t pay much attention to the comments posted by 330 and others. My experience in my five years here has been that those who blow a lot of hot air both in sites such as this and behind their bosses backs (Qatari’s) about similar sorts of things as discussed here,…….inept management, abuse etc, etc………they are normally the ones that when in the company of their bosses are meek and mild and cow-tail to every whim placed before them, while just hours prior stating with beautiful language just how they will handle certain Qatari’s if they ever dared tell them what to do!!.....................nothing new, every work place has a couple, it just wouldn’t be the same without them really, a sort of entertaining distraction really.
Nyc Pilot, visit as many websites as you can about Qatar, both good and bad, get in touch with buddies here or fellow countrymen and ask as many questions as you can, basically carbo-load your brain on as much material on Qatar as you can. Once here, always remember that YOU are the one who came here, this not your country and even though you are a guest here, there will without doubt be certain issues that will be viewed as more than challenging to you. That is the point when you will have to realise that a lot now depends on how you approach life here.
You can be assured of one thing though; life will be different here, both personally and professionally. However, again, and without beating a dead horse so-to-speak, if I moved to Togo or the UK, I am mature and experienced enough to know that life there will definitely be different and that even though it might eventually not be exactly what I expected, a large part of my future happiness there will be up to me. I can stay and if I am unhappy and prone to be a habitual whinger and whiner, I know that all too soon I will be disseminating that poison amongst the people close to me, more importantly my family…..a sure sign that I must either change or leave. I hate to oversimplify it, but that is essentially what is required of all of us………
B.Bonga and Looseobject, I wouldn’t pay much attention to the comments posted by 330 and others. My experience in my five years here has been that those who blow a lot of hot air both in sites such as this and behind their bosses backs (Qatari’s) about similar sorts of things as discussed here,…….inept management, abuse etc, etc………they are normally the ones that when in the company of their bosses are meek and mild and cow-tail to every whim placed before them, while just hours prior stating with beautiful language just how they will handle certain Qatari’s if they ever dared tell them what to do!!.....................nothing new, every work place has a couple, it just wouldn’t be the same without them really, a sort of entertaining distraction really.
Nyc Pilot, visit as many websites as you can about Qatar, both good and bad, get in touch with buddies here or fellow countrymen and ask as many questions as you can, basically carbo-load your brain on as much material on Qatar as you can. Once here, always remember that YOU are the one who came here, this not your country and even though you are a guest here, there will without doubt be certain issues that will be viewed as more than challenging to you. That is the point when you will have to realise that a lot now depends on how you approach life here.
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quality of living can be measured objectively and is depending on things like:
-quality of public schooling
-safety in public
-offer and quality of public transportation
-civil rights
-personal freedoms
etc.
If you want to know more about it, consult the research conducted yearly by Mercer Consulting. Last years number 1 and 2 were Zurich and Geneva.
As for quality of life, well that's a very subjective thing and some people might even find a great quality of life in Doha. That purely depends on your own perspective of things.
EXEMPLE:
personally I think South Africa has a great quality of life. But as for the quality of living...if you want your kids to grow up in a safe environment and earn some good bucks to afford sending them to a private school, well that changes the picture. Fact is that a lot of South Africans living in the Middle East have no desire whatsoever to return to their home country WITH their kids because of the ever decreasing quality of living down there. But of course they are nostalgic about the quality of life they left behind.
So, chill out, relax, don't start screaming "racism" at any occasion and go back to my original post. Maybe you see more clearly now!
and still, all this doesn't change the fact that Qatar Airways doesn't really help you to stay "focused"! Maybe ATC does, but QTR definitely doesn't! Over and out!
-quality of public schooling
-safety in public
-offer and quality of public transportation
-civil rights
-personal freedoms
etc.
If you want to know more about it, consult the research conducted yearly by Mercer Consulting. Last years number 1 and 2 were Zurich and Geneva.
As for quality of life, well that's a very subjective thing and some people might even find a great quality of life in Doha. That purely depends on your own perspective of things.
EXEMPLE:
personally I think South Africa has a great quality of life. But as for the quality of living...if you want your kids to grow up in a safe environment and earn some good bucks to afford sending them to a private school, well that changes the picture. Fact is that a lot of South Africans living in the Middle East have no desire whatsoever to return to their home country WITH their kids because of the ever decreasing quality of living down there. But of course they are nostalgic about the quality of life they left behind.
So, chill out, relax, don't start screaming "racism" at any occasion and go back to my original post. Maybe you see more clearly now!
and still, all this doesn't change the fact that Qatar Airways doesn't really help you to stay "focused"! Maybe ATC does, but QTR definitely doesn't! Over and out!
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So the million dollar question is what are you still doing here a330flier ? Guess you are also from a "poor quality country" or you hate the good life in Zurich and Geneva. As long as you are here chill out........and learn a few words of the local lingo. Masalama.
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Bonga..Are you able to ask any other question Than "what are you still doing here....."? to anybody who dare to raise some (true)critics about Q.A.?
If you forgot, let me remind you that if today you can barely cope with the high cost of live in Doha, and the inflation,the highest in the gulf:13%, it´s because Q.A. raise twice the salary the last 3 years, why you think? Because Q.A. love you, and want you to make more happy...NO way! just because a lot of critics has been raised(not from you probably), people were resigning or simply refused to come...).
So before coming again with your traditionnal question:don´t forget one important thing:critics can be sometime constructive as well...!
Cheers.
If you forgot, let me remind you that if today you can barely cope with the high cost of live in Doha, and the inflation,the highest in the gulf:13%, it´s because Q.A. raise twice the salary the last 3 years, why you think? Because Q.A. love you, and want you to make more happy...NO way! just because a lot of critics has been raised(not from you probably), people were resigning or simply refused to come...).
So before coming again with your traditionnal question:don´t forget one important thing:critics can be sometime constructive as well...!
Cheers.
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Bonga man....
Your question is starting to sound so old and used, it is becoming rediculous!
What he still is doing here does not matter now does it?
What I found out in my +6 years here is that guys, who always repeat this same question "what are you still doing here if you do not like it ", are guys still in their honeymoon period.
So please.....think of something else!!!
Your question is starting to sound so old and used, it is becoming rediculous!
What he still is doing here does not matter now does it?
What I found out in my +6 years here is that guys, who always repeat this same question "what are you still doing here if you do not like it ", are guys still in their honeymoon period.
So please.....think of something else!!!
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Qatari 515, just like l figured you have no idea what you are still doing here even after 6+ years. 
You must be in that group that continuosly whinges all the time and yet stick around for a lifetime. Once in a while you go to a public forum looking for other whingers (loc22550) for a group hug. Shame on you and you.............Go home guys. Meanwhile back to the original thread, come to the sandpit with an open mind and you will make it through some of the challenges here.
In the meantime l'll go enjoy the rest of my "honeymoon" in the sandpit... and unfortunately have to do it once in a while with a small number of cry babies
You must be in that group that continuosly whinges all the time and yet stick around for a lifetime. Once in a while you go to a public forum looking for other whingers (loc22550) for a group hug. Shame on you and you.............Go home guys. Meanwhile back to the original thread, come to the sandpit with an open mind and you will make it through some of the challenges here. In the meantime l'll go enjoy the rest of my "honeymoon" in the sandpit...
and unfortunately have to do it once in a while with a small number of cry babies
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Hey NYC pilot, do you want the true, don't come here to the ME is not good; specially for people like us that we came from america i use to read this forum all the time before coming here and i use to think why people complain, and now that i am here i can see why peole complain, does guys are not crying, they are giving you and advice, is like when the people tell you don't married, and u said can not be that bad, and you are in love the first year and all that BS, 10 years later u will said what a FU.... i get married i should listen the other guys, is the same here people will tell you don't come here but some they will tell you is the best is the nicest "honey moon man" not good; but at the end is your decision, but remember all this post we are warning you OK
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So so,
Bonga man figured my life out! He must be a genious!
Dude,
in case you would not have figured this out yet, whining is different from being observing and critical about a place and a company!
People here ask for info, and thats what I try to give them. Objective pieces of information.
That means good as well as bad things.
You, with your pink colored sunglasses, are not helping at all! People, when they arrive here, tend to defend their decision cost by cost. If this means convincing other people to make possible wrong decisions based on lies, than they will do exactly that!
After 2 years the truth settles in mate, just wait and see.
And maybe you are one of the happy few here who like the place. Good for you! I am pretty happy here myself.
But that should not mean you hiding the truth for others!
Bonga man figured my life out! He must be a genious!
Dude,
in case you would not have figured this out yet, whining is different from being observing and critical about a place and a company!
People here ask for info, and thats what I try to give them. Objective pieces of information.
That means good as well as bad things.
You, with your pink colored sunglasses, are not helping at all! People, when they arrive here, tend to defend their decision cost by cost. If this means convincing other people to make possible wrong decisions based on lies, than they will do exactly that!
After 2 years the truth settles in mate, just wait and see.
And maybe you are one of the happy few here who like the place. Good for you! I am pretty happy here myself.
But that should not mean you hiding the truth for others!
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For those that dont like the Company or the working conditions and dont want to make any positive contributions...Please leave the ME region to some greener pastures....and let everyone else get on with their job without having to read all this moaning ! 
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Since I do believe in the freedom of choice I assume that nobody forced you to read anything on this forum, not even the "moaning".
But since I believe in the freedom of choice I also believe that no suitable choice can be made without getting the big picture.
And the big picture is not full of sunshine whereever you go!
As you might have realized, Qatari 515 and myself were/are reasonably o.k. with our choice to come here to Doha. But Qatar Airways is not for everybody.
And again, the life you will live in Qatar as pilot for Qatar Airways and the company environment make it extremly difficult to focus on the reason why you came here! So if you cant take a lot of BS until you're fed up with a place, stay out of here. Even though the pink sunglasses might help in the beginning!
Take care and if you feel like misunderstanding Qatari 515 and my own quotes, don't hesitate to add your own oppinion.
But don't tell us we forced you to read our junk! For the ones who have doubts about coming to Doha, this junk might help to make a decision! Positive or negative
But since I believe in the freedom of choice I also believe that no suitable choice can be made without getting the big picture.
And the big picture is not full of sunshine whereever you go!
As you might have realized, Qatari 515 and myself were/are reasonably o.k. with our choice to come here to Doha. But Qatar Airways is not for everybody.
And again, the life you will live in Qatar as pilot for Qatar Airways and the company environment make it extremly difficult to focus on the reason why you came here! So if you cant take a lot of BS until you're fed up with a place, stay out of here. Even though the pink sunglasses might help in the beginning!
Take care and if you feel like misunderstanding Qatari 515 and my own quotes, don't hesitate to add your own oppinion.
But don't tell us we forced you to read our junk! For the ones who have doubts about coming to Doha, this junk might help to make a decision! Positive or negative
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CuitoCuanavale.... Hey... you and I both know you are not going anywhere. Not everyone else must accept ****e as chocolate.
Go and smoke another Bong B.Bonga.
Captain or FO, Goat is a crap job. Dont even think career!!
PS: Appologies to the descent guys out there caught in the snare. There is life after the Goat
Go and smoke another Bong B.Bonga.
Captain or FO, Goat is a crap job. Dont even think career!!
PS: Appologies to the descent guys out there caught in the snare. There is life after the Goat
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Black Stain !
Your name handle says it all.......good luck to the outfit that hires you...they might just need it. 
And by the way I dont even work for QR...if that is what you were eluding to in your post and as far as medical coverage, I have one that I am happy with, that works fine all over the World.....and I mean ALL OVER.
OVER....
And by the way I dont even work for QR...if that is what you were eluding to in your post and as far as medical coverage, I have one that I am happy with, that works fine all over the World.....and I mean ALL OVER.
OVER....
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Have read in another forum that QR have changed allowances and conditions promised once you arrive in Doha. It seems that the english contract is not legal and if you have not signed an Arabic version you do not have a leg to stand on, is this true? It appears he was offered a 3 bedroom apartment in the english contact but the new arabic one said 2 bedroom, health insurance was changed from allianze to Qatar public hospital and education allowance halved. I have just been offered a english contract with them and I now have grave concerns that all is not as it seems, is QR worth the risk? Also what is being done to protect your salary from the falling US dollar, if it continues against the Aussie I can earn more at home then in doha even if it is tax free. Is the middle east worth it now? or would you say it is best to stay home.