The Real Deal at EK
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The Real Deal at EK
8 years ago the starting basic pay for an FO at Emirates was circa 16 000 dirhams per month. The exchange rate between the US and Kiwi was 0.39 (US$ to Kiwi$). At the dirham pegged rate of 3.68 to the US that was about NZ$ 11 150 a month. Now the exchange rate is 0.75 and an 8 year Captain's salary is circa 35 000 dirhams a month. That equates to NZ$ 12 700 a month. UAE inflation is rampant; so much so that accurate figures aren't publicised in case it scares people off. Look for example at real estate prices/rents. Even more startling is the price of a 'Grilled Chicken Full' at The Chalet. Prior to renovation it cost 25 dirhams; now it costs 36 dirhams; 50% increase and you get less humous and that delicious (but unknown) spicy stuff with it (offsprings of unmarried parents). Lets call it an average of 5% inflation for the past 8 years and thats being exceedingly generous. NZ$ 11 150 by 5% for 7 years is now NZ$ 15 700....... Hang on a minute.....we only get NZ$ 12 700 a month! So now after enduring 8 years in the desert and upgrading from FO to Captain we get a conservative NZ$ 3 000 less than when we started. As expats the most relevant aspect of our package is the amount we get in our home currency as we are (mostly anyway) going home and we must compare what we get to what we would have got if we had stayed at home.
I would suggest for the next pay review a scrapping of the ERP limit and a 100% pay rise and we would be looking at some semblance of a realistic package.
I would suggest for the next pay review a scrapping of the ERP limit and a 100% pay rise and we would be looking at some semblance of a realistic package.
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Gees you sound like a Grumpy Bugger.
There hasn't been ANY inflation in Kiwi Land in that time has there?
Hey- You can always go back there.
Apparently there are a hell of a lot of Kiwis migrating to Oz, perhaps you should throw your hat in the ring.
(But I agree that what you have pointed out - sux)
There hasn't been ANY inflation in Kiwi Land in that time has there?
Hey- You can always go back there.
Apparently there are a hell of a lot of Kiwis migrating to Oz, perhaps you should throw your hat in the ring.
(But I agree that what you have pointed out - sux)
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in the last 6 years the CAD went from 2.3 to 3.68 . Now equal to the USD. Around a 60 % change for a total 30% pay increase from EK Momcorp .. Good deal if your single or want to be, want a rapid upgrade for a move onto JET, KO,JSTAR or some place better, but for a career move with wife and kids, not a good choice. Stay home, pay tax and keep sanity. You may have to keep the same wife though.
Just a thought.....
I suppose if EK DID give an enormous pay rise because of the weak dollar, you all would only think it fair if, when we get rid of Dubya and the greenback recovers, they then gave an equivilent pay CUT?
I suppose if EK DID give an enormous pay rise because of the weak dollar, you all would only think it fair if, when we get rid of Dubya and the greenback recovers, they then gave an equivilent pay CUT?
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Yes scrap current ERP system. Its useless, illogical and discriminatory.
The ERP should be based on a basket of currencies and given to all.
EK is laughing all the way to the bank on the plunging USD. Most of their revenue is in currencies that have appreciated hugely against the dollar but their wages bill is more or less fixed.
That salary "increase" earlier this year has been conveniently eliminated. In fact its probably less in real terms. By the time the next review comes along the salary will be less than prior to the previous years review.
Bottom line is disposable income for EK employees is shrinking drastically with a declining dollar fueling rampant inflation.
The ERP should be based on a basket of currencies and given to all.
EK is laughing all the way to the bank on the plunging USD. Most of their revenue is in currencies that have appreciated hugely against the dollar but their wages bill is more or less fixed.
That salary "increase" earlier this year has been conveniently eliminated. In fact its probably less in real terms. By the time the next review comes along the salary will be less than prior to the previous years review.
Bottom line is disposable income for EK employees is shrinking drastically with a declining dollar fueling rampant inflation.
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Amen to all the above.
Plus.
Sim support guys are now officially graded:
If they score a 2, more sim support the next month.
If they score 1, off the roster for a PPC or remedial.
If anyone goes sick for sim support, more sim support the next month.
The ULR roster allows you to fly 10hrs per flight and you will do ULR stby the day before.
This place sucks big time.
Plus.
Sim support guys are now officially graded:
If they score a 2, more sim support the next month.
If they score 1, off the roster for a PPC or remedial.
If anyone goes sick for sim support, more sim support the next month.
The ULR roster allows you to fly 10hrs per flight and you will do ULR stby the day before.
This place sucks big time.
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Hey, disconnected.
Why stop at ERP? Lets's cancel seniority increments and have a basket of everybodys salary thats been at EK for more than a year and give it to all. After all, a fresh DEC's doing the same job as a 15 year Captain.
You know it makes sense.
Why stop at ERP? Lets's cancel seniority increments and have a basket of everybodys salary thats been at EK for more than a year and give it to all. After all, a fresh DEC's doing the same job as a 15 year Captain.
You know it makes sense.
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Absolutely agree Backwater - if a very small few are performing like this in the sim, you have to wonder what they're doing on the line too
And forget the LOE, what about coming out of Male in the monsoon with something going wrong? You need to know that your colleague is going to do things right!!!
And forget the LOE, what about coming out of Male in the monsoon with something going wrong? You need to know that your colleague is going to do things right!!!
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I'm with you on that one BW;
If guys are incompetent in the sim - the company has a responsibility to flag them and provide extra training.
Don't know about you, but I certainly don't want to be sitting down the back with someone who can't even fly the sim deciding my fate...
If guys are incompetent in the sim - the company has a responsibility to flag them and provide extra training.
Don't know about you, but I certainly don't want to be sitting down the back with someone who can't even fly the sim deciding my fate...
These days, I think you're an idiot.
My point was that this has been one of a number of threads started on the basis that EK isn't as attractive as it used to be due to the exchange rate of the pegged Dirham.
I have no argument with that, it's obviously true.
What I don't accept is that there seems to be an underlying sentiment that it's Emirates fault. This is just as obviously false. Does it need to react to the situation? Well, if the current package doesn't attract and retain sufficient suitable Pilots, then yes. If people are still willing to come and stay, why would they?
My point is this- Plenty of people (including the starter of this thread) give the idea that there has been no pay rise as their wages have slipped compared to their home currencies. How many of them would accept a return to a more favorable rate as a pay-rise?
I suspect the silence would be deafening...
As to every thing else you commented on,well, I may be a bit slow (the Idiot thing you understand) but you'll have to explain how anything I said has any thing to do with any of that!!
I guess anyone expressing an opinion even slightly different to yours must be the absolute enemy on any subject- not related to George Dubya are you???
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I don't.
He's a recent arrival from a European loco who joined EK just as a bunch of guys were going in the opposite direction.
Every so often he steps in with a bit of provocative twaddle that makes him feel all warm and fuzzy about his new job.
And it's only a couple of months since he posted on here that he was in recruiting, training and checking and that others should watch out.
By the way rammo, I have never applied to Easyjet, I lied to you.
He's a recent arrival from a European loco who joined EK just as a bunch of guys were going in the opposite direction.
Every so often he steps in with a bit of provocative twaddle that makes him feel all warm and fuzzy about his new job.
And it's only a couple of months since he posted on here that he was in recruiting, training and checking and that others should watch out.
By the way rammo, I have never applied to Easyjet, I lied to you.
And it's only a couple of months since he posted on here that he was in recruiting, training and checking and that others should watch out.
When a little upstart (who turned out to be a troll, my bad!!) had a go at me for picking up his obvious lies, I told him that those SUCH AS myself and others on this forum were his future Captains, recruiters, checkers etc. I made no claim to personally hold those positions, just told him that by coming on here he was addressing (and insulting) people he might have to deal with in the future.
Of course you, WTF, have taken it upon yourself to jump on anything I write and do your best to put it in an unflattering light. Apparently you've even decided lying to me is fair game. I'm really interested in exactly what it is I've done to you.
By the way rammo, I have never applied to Easyjet, I lied to you.
PM me your mobile and I'll be happy to discuss it personally.
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A Quiet Night In
"I'm really interested in exactly what it is I've done to you."
You as a fresh DEC have no knowledge of what this company was and what it has become.
And you have a posting style that is irritating and annoying and as such I feel compelled to shoot you down, with some success over the last year or so I would say.
But you keep coming back for more. Happy to oblige.
You as a fresh DEC have no knowledge of what this company was and what it has become.
And you have a posting style that is irritating and annoying and as such I feel compelled to shoot you down, with some success over the last year or so I would say.
But you keep coming back for more. Happy to oblige.
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Do I really need to answer the question? If you can't figure that one out then try question two:
Explain why the current ERP is appropriate. Try and use joining writing and not too many coloured pictures.
Do I really need to answer the question? If you can't figure that one out then try question two:
Explain why the current ERP is appropriate. Try and use joining writing and not too many coloured pictures.
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Warming up now.
"........too many coloured pictures."
Is this an obtuse reference to large parts of Africa being annexed a couple of centuries ago directly leading to disconnected not getting ERP because he ended up with the 'wrong' passport?
And I think he means 'joined-up writing'.
Is this an obtuse reference to large parts of Africa being annexed a couple of centuries ago directly leading to disconnected not getting ERP because he ended up with the 'wrong' passport?
And I think he means 'joined-up writing'.
Oh, he's got a life, disco...
Mercilessly hunting me down and making pompous attempts to humiliate and "out" me.
Strange hobby for such an obviously intelligent proffestional....Must be a joy to fly with (or be married to!!).
Mercilessly hunting me down and making pompous attempts to humiliate and "out" me.
Strange hobby for such an obviously intelligent proffestional....Must be a joy to fly with (or be married to!!).
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Hard to see what the racial angle is in my previous text unless you think that I'm having a stab at the Brits, Dutch, Belgians, Germans etc and their history in Africa.
And Wizofoz has been doing a fine job in outing himself over the past few years, as I've mentioned to him in the past he doesn't need any help from me.
How many posts have you made Wiz? A life well lived?
Until the next time.
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And Wizofoz has been doing a fine job in outing himself over the past few years, as I've mentioned to him in the past he doesn't need any help from me.
How many posts have you made Wiz? A life well lived?
Until the next time.
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