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Joining Qatar Airways (QR) - all you need to know about it (threads merged)

Old 10th Feb 2013, 04:18
  #5961 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Doha, Qatar
Age: 50
Posts: 426
I've only been he since January but have already met quite a few second officers
Working here for 6-11 months and some have not flown yet. I met one who had a Qatar ID issue and has been here since last summer without starting training.
Right now they seem to be putting the most importance on Captains.
I have noticed things change rapidly here and you may unexpectedly get a call... But I wouldn't stop looking for other opportunities in the mean time.
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Old 10th Feb 2013, 10:20
  #5962 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Egoli
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Hi all . I see on there career site they are advertising for DEC on the 320. Any idea anybody how long one could expect to wait for a call ( if there is a call ) from filling in the application ?
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Old 11th Feb 2013, 09:42
  #5963 (permalink)  
 
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Dear Disagreeable, QR pilots and others

Just to help you understand the situation of those SO’s crying everyday to seek informations regarding their DOJ. The other airline hiring SO’s is CX, after you trained you have to cruise during 4-5years to serve coffee and help the crew to sleep before you become FO while being paid crap. So for the 100+ SO’s in Doha and those waiting their DOJ since 1 year now it is still OK taking into account the upgrade is faster with QR. But at least with CX, when your interview is over you’re informed if it was Ok or not and when you join. What I mean is it is useless to talk to them like there are many options everywhere.

@Disagreeable.You’re not helping at all so better to say nothing. They will prefer you, in your actual position, to go knoc the door of the HR with the same energy you used to write your posts, to ask them to clarify the situation of each SO’s with official e-mails. If they had time to interview so nicely so many people, they have time to state clearly who will be hire or not and you’ll not see people staying here desperately.

I have noticed things change rapidly here and you may unexpectedly get a call... But I wouldn't stop looking for other opportunities in the mean time.
Everytime you’ll give hope to those waiting, they’ll wait. If you want people to go to do something else instead of waiting desperately, tell them clearly what they expected is dead, officially. Then they’ll move. You can humiliate, make them poor, say they are dirty, scam, campers or idiots to wait, they will stay by the time there is hope.

Just to remind you that all the poor SO’s in the pool waiting are young guys looking QR as a dream airline to start, wanting to fly the jets with you QR pilots. If they don’t deserve attention by their experience, they deserve minimum respect for the way they look at you and the job you’re doing.

I’m a simple follower of this thread but astonished to see that things can’t be done nicer for such respectable airline.

Last edited by RK303; 11th Feb 2013 at 09:43.
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Old 11th Feb 2013, 11:49
  #5964 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: SPAIN
Age: 39
Posts: 399
They have change the recruitment web page. I don´t see how to register my details at least you are applying for a current job as captain.
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Old 11th Feb 2013, 21:32
  #5965 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2000
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With all the recent posts apearing to centre around SO's etc what is the situation for FO's. The site just has DEC positions any ideas on when FO recruitment will begin?
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Old 11th Feb 2013, 21:47
  #5966 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Antwerp
Age: 29
Posts: 19
Situation Qatar

A guy I talked to has been told the first possible date of joining for FO's is after september 2013. That's the situation. FTSO / NTSO are normally not considered in 2013 anymore. A good friend of mine, FTSO joined in february 2012.. He's still in our home country awaiting his training.. I think FO's / SO's will not be interviewed anymore for the coming time..
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Old 12th Feb 2013, 08:30
  #5967 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
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I don´t think they will make interviews for SO or FO soon, they have 250 pilots in the talent pool plus pilots already having house, salary and rating and on ground waiting for instructors to train them... so i think we won´t see any interview for FO or SO during this year.

I know they have called some people in the pool to start training and rating, even some of them wrote here, but i´m not sure how long will it take to empty the pool. I´ve been told that now in March and April they will speed up a bit, if the B787 and NDIA at least fix the problems.

I know some people is getting nervous, but I don´t think we can do much, i know 2 guys from the pool that directly found something else and in the email they got in December to update the hours they didn´t even reply, so I think they will be consider a No go for QR, and they are not the only ones...

Let´s see what happen.

by the way, anyone can share some light on the plane delivery with QR, A320, A330, B787 and B777??
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Old 12th Feb 2013, 09:58
  #5968 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: Where aviation management replaces common sense
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There will be no sugar coating.

RK303:
The other airline hiring SO’s is CX, after you trained you have to cruise during 4-5years to serve coffee and help the crew to sleep before you become FO while being paid crap.....So for the 100+

SO’s in Doha and those waiting their DOJ since 1 year now it is still OK taking into account the upgrade is faster with QR
WRONG. I know at least 4 SO's in CX and a few FO's and the odd Cpt.

Yes, CX contracts tend to fluctuate in richness as time marches on, but is in NO WAY worse pay than it is is to be a QR SO; You said it yourself, CX are organised and communicate, something QR does not do well at all.

Now as a CX SO you DONT serve coffee, you DONT get treated badly, you DO get around 18 - 20 days off a month and about 65k - 75k USD for the privilege, all on a Widebody!
Not bad for a low houred unemployed jet pilot wanna-be who is apparently struggling financially and/or career wise, in a company you could stay in long term;
If you knocked back an offer with CX waiting for QR,then you deserve no sympathy.

Currently, CX SO's are upgrading to FO in 3years or less. One I know is just under 2 years.

Yes I agree, the upgrade is faster at QR, but only if they decide to train you quickly! 18 months to get trained at QR (50% - 70% of your SO time at CX done already!)

RK303:
What I mean is it is useless to talk to them like there are many options everywhere.
HA, please read my previous posts and read between the lines.

Are you saying that Jet jobs are the only jobs worth having when your a low houred pilot? LOL, listen, if you are low hour pilot/no jet exp, then sitting around and not trying to find suitable flying work because your waiting for a jet job, then go right ahead and waste your life in vain/hope.

Yes times are tough, agreed, but that should not stop you looking and applying for other flying jobs.

RK303:
@Disagreeable.You’re not helping at all so better to say nothing.
Your advice of not posting true information because its not "helping to be hopeful" is ridiculous. In fact, its comments and suggestions like this that is actually "not helpful" by trying to skew the information flow here!

RK303:
They will prefer you, in your actual position, to go knoc the door of the HR with the same energy you used to write your posts, to ask them to clarify the situation of each SO’s with official e-mails. If they had time to interview so nicely so many people, they have time to state clearly who will be hire or not and you’ll not see people staying here desperately.
This has been done RK303, some people are helping only there friends get in.... I have pushed for the emails to be sent, but they dont do it... why dont they? (is it sinking in yet?)
So please dont bad mouth me or anyone else taking the time to post whats happening (regardless whether you like the info or not), take a deep breath and read between the lines!
There is only so much one can do.

RK303:
I have noticed things change rapidly here and you may unexpectedly get a call... But I wouldn't stop looking for other opportunities in the mean time.
Everytime you’ll give hope to those waiting, they’ll wait. If you want people to go to do something else instead of waiting desperately, tell them clearly what they expected is dead, officially.

Then they’ll move. You can humiliate, make them poor, say they are dirty, scam, campers or idiots to wait, they will stay by the time there is hope.

Don't put words in my mouth and then call me out on it; I never humiliated anyone or called anyone 'scam' or 'dirty'...etc!
I will however, put you back in your place if you try to misdirect what I say.... like this instance.

agreed, false hope is draining. QR HR are well aware of this and this is all for their benefit.. Just because you are in the hold pool, does not mean they are obligated to you. How many times do I and others need to point out that QR are not overly sympathetic to you, especially to those in the hold pool.

If they need you, they will hire you. until then, if you have nothing to really offer other than another warm body in a uniform, then you will be waiting. simple. no fluff. no hope given. dry your eyes and keep marching on.

I’m .....astonished to see that things can’t be done nicer for such respectable airline.
Alot of people in QR and obviously those waiting know this, and much of information has been posted about the 2 star airline treatment of crew.


RK303, my information, which, has been accurate, re. hiring practices is not meant to be hopeful sugar coated meaningless PPRuNe drivel.... its an informed opinion, more informed than most here.


if you or others want to stay in your dreamy world of aviation jet job hope then fine, stay there if your belly is full or if your living with your parents, then all good to keep hanging on for QR.

But, if your struggling with $$ or have other responsibilities, you would be a fool to not be looking for other opportunities in the mean time, and then I if you get a QR offer, then join if you have nothing better on offer.

I have mentioned about the hiring of SO's, FO's for the next 6 - 8 months, of which others have then posted "friends" information saying the same thing!

So get it through your head, I have information, I share it when I can, I help out behind the scenes when I can, and the rest of your life/career is up to you. Dont waste it on "illusions".

Good luck all.
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Old 12th Feb 2013, 10:30
  #5969 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: FL 70
Age: 36
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Just to give you guys some insight from a current SO.
Training as you guys know IS very slow. There is no communication with what is going on and when our training should resume.
I would have no problem with the wait as I understand that there is no training capacity, however I would have appreciated some communication, updates, an appology perhaps, but hey..

What disagreeable says is all true. Though harsh, he isn't a hater of QR, everything he says is true, but it is all how you deal with it.
I know guys that sit and bitch about what has been going on for the past few months and just complain, others that are happy they are getting paid, enjoying their time off, studying, and just taking it easy.

I may have not been here for as long as disagreeable, but I have enough friends to know that QR is not all horrible, nor all amazing. It is a matter of how open minded you are, how much you are willing to adapt to, and most importantly it is just a place to work, for a lot of people, a transit destination if you will..
Having said this, there are ALOT of guys who have been here 5 years + and don't intend to go anywhere..

In regards to training, I have some friends who are finally flying quite a bit this month, 10+ flights, after months of being home, which indicates that things SHOULD be getting better for those that have been here longer..
Whether FTSOs get priority over NTSOs that have joined much before them is still debatable..

I am happy to reply to any questions..
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Old 12th Feb 2013, 13:11
  #5970 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
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@QatarAirway

When did you have your interview with QR and the DOJ letter? When did you actually join QR? Which fleet are you flying on? Did you join as a NTSO?
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Old 12th Feb 2013, 15:23
  #5971 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: FL 70
Age: 36
Posts: 3
captain.weird

Joined begining of 2012. A320, NTSO.
Time between application and interview was 6 months.
Between Interview and DOJ letter was another 6 months.
Joined 3 weeks later.
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Old 12th Feb 2013, 15:30
  #5972 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
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NTSO

@Migair

The december update didn't ask us to update hour information, did it??
Were some guys sent a request to update their hours?

@QatarAirway

Any chance they will hire foreign NTSO's out of the holding pool in the future? It seems now that by the time the hiring will pick up I will be in the holding pool for more than 1,5 years!
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Old 12th Feb 2013, 19:55
  #5973 (permalink)  
 
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Yes, CX contracts tend to fluctuate in richness as time marches on, but is in NO WAY worse pay than it is is to be a QR SO
To be more accurate, we need to go deeper with the cost of life in Honk-Kong wich I think is one of the highest in the world, even worst regarding accomodations. PLUS, a specific training loan is subscribe by the SO’s in HKG when they start.Any failure, you’re dead.
I’m not not sure about that but I’ve also heard foreign SO are not allow to buy appartments in HKG before 9 years or something after their DOJ. Taking into account SO’s are clearly stuck and force to live in HKG due to the nature of their contract and licences at the end of their training. Basically better to start there before you reach 25years old.

Now as a CX SO you DONT serve coffee
This is the case on the Cargo fleet but Ok I exaggerated things here lol. But more seriously, in CX SO’s are mostly used on long haul for crewing economy, CX use them smartly during many years to cruise the aircraft while the crew go to sleep as they are cheaper. A big difference when QR want them to be upgrade quickly to FO.

Don't put words in my mouth and then call me out on it; I never humiliated anyone or called anyone 'scam' or 'dirty'...etc! I will however, put you back in your place if you try to misdirect what I say.... like this instance.
The Second officer thread have been strangly deleted. I have in memory few words of your last post there but anyway I can’t recall it so my mistake if there were any misinterpretation.

Good luck to the SO’s in Doha or those still waiting their DOJ if it happen. I don’t see any benefit for QR to send you updates then not hire you…but if that “No SO in 2013” info is correct they should at least send you a game over e-mail with apologies...
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Old 12th Feb 2013, 21:25
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It seriously has been deleted, I thought that was a joke.

Nothing really concerning in there as far as I remember, so why delete it?
Also the QR Talent Pool thread is closed.
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Old 13th Feb 2013, 03:53
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Are you saying that Jet jobs are the only jobs worth having when your a low houred pilot? LOL, listen, if you are low hour pilot/no jet exp, then sitting around and not trying to find suitable flying work because your waiting for a jet job, then go right ahead and waste your life in vain/hope.
Oh and when I see how QR is treating FTSO...do YOU remember what you said?

FTSOs will basically stop for the near year. It's a failed prospect in their eyes. But whats new, qR dont put huge amounts of thought into many things so they assumed that the training would be quick but since its not then they view extra sectors as a liability. If ur inhold pool, you will prob get a start but not until closer to mid year, if at all? Have a plan B and act on it.
plus I know very experienced guys on heavy turboprops who ended as SO's in CX...excuse me Disagreeable, but your statement above make me laugh a bit, it doesn't work like that at all, better to escape this industry you should say.

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Old 13th Feb 2013, 05:24
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RK303, WTF are you talking about? Your boring me and probably many others on this thread.

If you are going to quote me from last year/early year then at least put it in context. If you are silly enough to wait without applying for other work the thats your problem.... thats what "if at all" "plan B" means.

Things change here at a whim. So, when that was posted that was shaping up to be the case. Clearly you are an armchair QR expert, so I will leave you to your opinions.

QatarAirway:
Just to give you guys some insight from a current SO.
Training as you guys know IS very slow. There is no communication with what is going on and when our training should resume.
I would have no problem with the wait as I understand that there is no training capacity, however I would have appreciated some communication, updates, an appology perhaps, but hey..

What disagreeable says is all true. Though harsh, he isn't a hater of QR, everything he says is true, but it is all how you deal with it.
I know guys that sit and bitch about what has been going on for the past few months and just complain, others that are happy they are getting paid, enjoying their time off, studying, and just taking it easy.

I may have not been here for as long as disagreeable, but I have enough friends to know that QR is not all horrible, nor all amazing. It is a matter of how open minded you are, how much you are willing to adapt to, and most importantly it is just a place to work, for a lot of people, a transit destination if you will..
Having said this, there are ALOT of guys who have been here 5 years + and don't intend to go anywhere..

In regards to training, I have some friends who are finally flying quite a bit this month, 10+ flights, after months of being home, which indicates that things SHOULD be getting better for those that have been here longer..
Whether FTSOs get priority over NTSOs that have joined much before them is still debatable..
+1

Last edited by disagreeable; 13th Feb 2013 at 06:50.
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Old 13th Feb 2013, 11:11
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@Jeanpaul172

In my case i dind´t get the second email, but 1 pilot working here with me had, asking for an update of the flying hours and date of last sim check and last flight.


i have been following the progress of the qatar training for long time, and one think i have seen is that they are quite unpredictable, so they are saying now no FTSO for 2013 and in April or May they will call as much as they can get because they don´t have people for the summer schedule...

Wait and see.... heheheheheh
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Old 13th Feb 2013, 20:15
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another extra waiting time ??

Dear swimmers , please read this :

Bahrain Air has halted all flights and will liquidate its assets, according to USA Today.
The privately owned airline that launched in 2008 offered 105-110 regional flights to 18 destinations in the Middle East and Asia.
Since establishing themselves as a low-cost option and then changing into a full-service airline, in 2010, they hit a financial wall, leaving them no choice, but to declare bankruptcy.
They also employed about 300 people, according to USA Today, who will now have to find other jobs to support themselves and their families.

Guess who is coming to QR now ?? type rated A320 pilots (current & experience) against you , poor swimmers ?? if you think QR will prefer you...well ....just think again
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Old 13th Feb 2013, 20:24
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@Disagreeable

No worry I’ll stop disturb you. I’m not talking about me here because I recovered from what dragged my life dangerously: Aviation. So let me just resume what I was trying to say and stop there.

If you as a pilot, fully aware of the reality of your market, you should warn all those young guys to seek other kind of job than to become a pilot to accomplish their life positively. Because you know that very few will survive.
No false hopes, no false speechs like “go seek a pilot job elsewhere” to help them move on when in the mean time they are able to do something else more useful.over
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Old 14th Feb 2013, 14:59
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PilotofDoha, if you read carefully, you will actually see that some of the people physically were in the office.

I also have talked to several people in the office(s), and I have the mobile numbers of the Senior Recruitment Management (and no, sorry I cannot hand those over, otherwise theyll go crazy getting 300 calls from talent pool people, not even via pm). All information I got has been stated already.

I have many friends flying with Qatar and they all tell me similar.

Also, unless youre local or very lucky/have good connections (relatives preferably), they wont call you as NTSO so far. I know it has nothing to do with my results and documentation. Results were very good and documentation is all complete/green.

Fact is, if you got no hours and no type rating, youre absolute bottomlist priority, as QR now has contracts with CTC and also their own flight school since ages.

If you have hours and no type rating, you are still not preferred as you will most likely end up as NTSO or NTFO (depending on your flight experience).

As stated before. There are people with a few thousand hours on turboprops (e.g. ATR, Dash8...) that have -appart from the hours- the same priority as you, speaking NTSO. And some of those turboprops are sometimes harder to fly than some jets as they hang inside the weather all the time, while jets just overfly them. Still - NTSO.
So who would you hire as company? Someone who just came out of flight school with 0 experience or someone who knows every day procedural knowledge within aviation?

As others have said. If you can afford sitting around waiting for QR to come and gamble while daddy pays your bills, go ahead. To be honest, I cant afford to wait longer. Ive waited for appx. 15 months now and every news I get are worse.
Contract coming
Contract delayed
Contract delayed further
SO recruitment on hold
Talent pool instead
Talent pool - maybe reconsider your choice
Talent pool - seizing hiring of SO

Awaiting "End of February" update which will either tell me:
(times are estimates)

A - you will be hired, training starts April
B - you will be hired, training starts November
C - you will get an update in April
D - you will have to do a reassesment because the application took too long
E - No SO hiring in 2013 anymore


In my case, I will wait for QR until May latest, after that I will go for another fix offer I got. I will not bail another offer because of qatar anymore. It happend before and I openly regret it. The chance was one time only.


If you have another possibility though, dont hesitate.
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