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Joining Qatar Airways (QR) - all you need to know about it (threads merged)

Old 19th Sep 2012, 14:47
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I'm glad to hear the goodnews man!

On which fleet do you fly?
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Old 19th Sep 2012, 20:36
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I was wondering, as it was mentioned earlier that many 320 first officers were transitioning to the 787, are they also transitioning captains from 320 or are most coming from the 777?
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Old 19th Sep 2012, 21:56
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I heard about some people that should go to the 777 but when signing contract they ofered the A320. This still happening ?
I am a 767 pilot with screening scheduled for October 29. I want to go to the 777 but I am afraid lo leave my job and then they offer the A320, wich I really don't have interest.
In addition, can someone give some update about the screening process ? Than you.
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Old 20th Sep 2012, 04:57
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How witty! You seem to be such a happy person Ajax!
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Old 20th Sep 2012, 14:20
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Skull flyer,

If you read through this forum, you will see that it has happened to many people before: (Applied for Widebody and Given Narrowbody, even after joining). Its all based on which fleet they need pilots on, not based on your previous experience.

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Old 20th Sep 2012, 14:33
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Skull flyer,

They have a choice and you have a choice. Tell them 777 or 787 or no deal (if asked). In any interview, explain your prefernce and why a heavy Boeing slot makes sense for them and you. May not work, but you have heavy Boeing experience and both of those fleets are growing. They may say no and then EK and the other big UAE carrier become better options. I still think Emirates is probably the better way to go from an overall package if you ever had the choice - but others may disagree. Apply to the big 3 if you want the ME and roll the dice. The Qatar HR group has been an utter disaster with poor communication and a disorganized process. From what I have been hearing, don't be surprised if things go silent for long periods and don't expect Western standards of communication.

Good luck
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Old 20th Sep 2012, 14:39
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I would think with 767 experience its more than likely you will go 777, especially if your coming from the USA, as the system there to get into these positions usually means your overall experience is generally higher than those in a similar position coming from Europe.

Just for your info and a little background, those that were told they would be on the 777 and ended up on the 320 had Boeing experience yes (some widebody, some not), however their overall total time was around 1500 hours (and less) in some circumstances, that tied with a spate of heavy landings on that fleet mean't they re-evaluted where guys ended up, some 320 some 330, again dependant on total hours.

At the time it seemed to be around 3K total and over went wide body those under went to 320, not everyone but most. Also factored into this was the massive delay in waiting for the simulator (3+ months) to complete type ratings, they needed guys elsewhere so changed them, fair enough in my eyes, some guys felt screwed over and for some rightly so, as they were promised one thing, gave up their position in a comfortable company and then once arrived were given another and yes that does hurt!

Nothing is a given here, sometimes its luck, but there are no guarantees!
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Old 22nd Sep 2012, 04:45
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Regarding the validity of the Qatar assessment how long is it? I have a big dilemma now whether to find a job while waiting for Qatar to call me to join (hopefully soon) or stay unemployed without knowing if and when I will join . I think the safest action would be to find a job but then if Qatar call me would i be able to postpone the DOJ?
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Old 22nd Sep 2012, 07:16
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Hello Chrislikesblue.
If you haven't received DOJ I guess best option is trying to find a new job, just in case it takes longer. (I got a new one and DOJ 2 days after, but could have take longer)
Just my opinion
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Old 22nd Sep 2012, 07:32
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Chris,

The validity of the assesment is also one of my major concerns. Yet no one is able to give a definete answer about it. I called their HR department and they told me: the assesment remains valid until further notice. I do hope we will all get called. Im waiting sice early 2012..
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Old 22nd Sep 2012, 10:39
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waiting since nov. 2011... talent pool. hope well get called soon
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Old 22nd Sep 2012, 15:16
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Thanks for sharing your views guys. I am thinking the same way,that it would be better to get a job and have some income until Qatar call me. But as I have read some rumours they might start calling people to join in February. If i manage to get a job now it would take around 3 months or more until i start flying ( interview,waiting for decision,work permit process,groundschool,training ... ). So if my DOJ given from Qatar is February it means I should resign from my job at the start,probably during my ground school or line training so I can join Qatar 2 months later ! So would it really be worth doing this?
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Old 22nd Sep 2012, 15:32
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@chris

I give you 1 advice. Dont gamble on QR. From what i've heard it is a company full with tricks and surprises. If you get a job now somewhere else, take it! Bills need to be paid anyway. If QR decides to take you in the short future, then it will impose the problem, not now. Deal with the problem when it occurs, not before. Good luck!!
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Old 22nd Sep 2012, 15:34
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Chris,
Perhaps, if you get another job, you wont't like to resign. And rather you'll prefer to stay in the new company.
Cheers
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Old 22nd Sep 2012, 15:54
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if you really need a job to pay the bills maybe you can look for a temporary job which doesn't require a training of a few months
maybe even a non flying job or even worse: a non aviation related job
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Old 22nd Sep 2012, 17:46
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NTSO

Guys, regarding NTSO's, I just got a call from a friend who lives in Tunesia. Qatar is there currently to recruit pilots. According to him there are about 50!! cadets being interviewed for the NTSO position. Everyone Tunesian. What will happen to all So's still waiting? Will these guys be treated the same way as the Spanair guys? I am affraid they will be (its some kind of program to build up the country and to strenghten the relationship between Qatar - Tunesia)..
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Old 23rd Sep 2012, 00:44
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A lot of good questions about employment at QR and not many answers. Sounds like Qatar Airways HR department wins the award for the worst communication in the business. Sounds like a disorganised, inept and completely careless group of so-called professionals in their HR department. If they treat wannabe employees this way, perhaps that is an indication of how you will be treated as an actual employee. Inexcusable to not communicate with applicants or those who have supposedly been "offered" employment after a difficult screening process. I hope it improves soon (because it has the potential to be a great flying job) and they hire HR talent from countries other than Somalia...

Unfortunately sounds like a 5-star airline with a 1-star HR department.
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Old 23rd Sep 2012, 05:50
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Iver

Have you applied to Qatar Airways ?

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Old 23rd Sep 2012, 06:04
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'' Chris,
Perhaps, if you get another job, you wont't like to resign. And rather you'll prefer to stay in the new company.
Cheers ''


That would not be a bad idea to find a job and stay on this and not resign. But the thing is the few jobs which are available in the market at this time are usually in not so reputable companies. Usually in companies with no proper planning,they just wake up one day and realize they are short of pilots and they take pilots out of the street. I have been in these kind of companies before so I know this from personal experience. I am done and fed up with this kind of environment working and living in certain countries I would not risk the chance that I have now to join a 5 star airline and move in an advanced country rather than working for various so called 'airlines' in developing countries.
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Old 23rd Sep 2012, 07:03
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Devil Devils advocate.

That would not be a bad idea to find a job and stay on this and not resign. But the thing is the few jobs which are available in the market at this time are usually in not so reputable companies. Usually in companies with no proper planning,they just wake up one day and realize they are short of pilots and they take pilots out of the street. I have been in these kind of companies before so I know this from personal experience. I am done and fed up with this kind of environment working and living in certain countries I would not risk the chance that I have now to join a 5 star airline and move in an advanced country rather than working for various so called 'airlines' in developing countries.
I couldnt resist....
In simple words; Qatar is exactly how you described against!!!!!!

.... yes it has some vision; its got alot of money; but its the same mentality you said you didnt want to be around. Good luck if thats your mentality, you'll be hating it quickly.

This place is not the dream place! There is a difference between the glossy pictures and life outside of the malls.

Dont get me wrong, its a quiet place. And I like it in some ways better than the hustle bustle of Dubai, but I would live in Dubai more than Doha if I were to weigh up the entire efficiency of the place and the quality of things.

Qatar services are poor..... 2nd world in ALOT of areas such as alot of road designs; no centralised directory of goods and services; nobody generally has heard of a website for there business nor even updating there numbers in handouts they give you sometimes; No one produces maps of where there place is generally, its just an obscure reference to a roundabout or landmark and you drive around looking! These things seem small by nature but when you need something and have a shift in "12 Hrs" which is really 9hrs with getting ready and going early B.S that seems to be common practice here it can really start to grind....

But also Qatar is first world in somethings like some medical facilities and its impressive (but sempty buildings).
It has slave labour, and that same uneducated slave labour (mostly) are cooking you your meals (higher chance of food poisioning here) and building your houses (oh ooo); and probably ,making you frustrated when your driving around.... not to mention the first world native culture.

They do have a direction (this country and QR) but my god, its mentality is 2nd world...... but at least there trying.....

If you come here expecting things to be efficient YOU WILL be disapointed, frustrated and down right in awe at the level of inefficiency

Come here for one thing only IMHO; Setting yourself up financially, gaining an endorsement if you dont already have one and then seeing where your options lay after the contract ends.
It must tell people something....surely, that people leave this place with more than normal attriction rates comparatively!?? its not all QR's fault (lol)

320 = You work min rest...... maybe get 2 days of in a row...... sometimes 3 but not alot of them and you will be quiet tired to be going adventuring to another timezone for fun. Simple solution for the managers that read this is give an average of 9 or 10 days off a month for the 320 fleet and watch the moral grow.... and the fleet stabilise ....my god is it that hard

330 = better rosters..... avg 12 to 14 Off days... but trips are bigger so your away from family in chunks of time but around them more for Days off.

777 = avg 12 - 15 off days...... same as 330. paid to sleep ;-)

hope this helps people. Dont put the wool over your eyes and buy all the $$$$'s and new planes this and that..... theres more to it than that in the long run.
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