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Joining Qatar Airways (QR) - all you need to know about it (threads merged)

Old 3rd Aug 2012, 07:53
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ironbutt57

...maybe I'm wrong, but I think they have a really good Training Center in Doha equipped with FFS (B777, B787, A320, A330); if the crew member is not type rated, they use Airbus Training center in France or others JAR approved spread in Europe for the whole training (OOA in LHR, Cockpit4U, etc.) : it's difficult for me to believe that they are delaying the hiring process due to the lack of simulators !!! Maybe the real problem it's TRE/TRI shortage; Anyway it should be easier to upgrade couple of Pilots to TRI or examiner (it shouldn't take so long time) in order to make training using all the FFS available in the world ; for recurrent training purposes they could also send some First Officer anywhere to get the SFI rating.... whatever, I think that put pilots in this f..!.X.K:..ng pool waiting so long could deal QR to be desperately looking for pilots in the near future : they should really care about these people... just my two cent.....
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Old 3rd Aug 2012, 09:55
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Yes, one of each...hardly enough to cope..all airlines here short of sim availability, one sim here isn't even plugged in yet, and it's already booked for the forseeable future...as are the others operating 24/7....sim availability is a big issue with all Gulf carriers...trust me...not the sole reason, but a major one...
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Old 3rd Aug 2012, 11:36
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QR is using sim centers in:

LHR
LGW
ARN
BOM
SIN
BAH
and more that I probably don't know of.

What you don't realize is that in order for QR to send people abroad the Qatar CAA has to first visit the center and approve its use. Secondly, QR have to ensure that the quality of training at those centers is at an acceptable level, and finally the QCAA have to approve the TRI and TREs at that center if they are not QR personnel, i.e. if they don't have QCAA licenses.
So its not as straightforward as saying, such and such a sim is free, why don't QR use it?

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Old 3rd Aug 2012, 13:00
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My point exactly.....
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Old 3rd Aug 2012, 14:06
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....

">Git-R-Done !!!<
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Old 3rd Aug 2012, 15:37
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Rosters A320 Captains

Hello everybody! Does anybody knows how the present roster pattern look like for the A320 Captains? I am evaluating to join and bring the family with me.

Tks bye bye
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Old 3rd Aug 2012, 15:47
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Thumbs down ...

man Im getting annoyed now by this ongoing recruitment when u have so many in this fr****in pool:
I even hear that guys with 100 hrs jet get called if they can come on short notice to join for 330...

Is anyone from upper Management reading whats out in the net ?
My fellow other FoS which had signed the letter of employment now back in pool with all together ...wheres the sense in that ..or is tthat pool now only for people which had a signed letter and the others are in the open sea ???

Whats goin on ...where will it end ...a email sorry we have now kingfisher and air india and air france guys which are qualified so thanks for holing bye bye ...

I dunno ...im really upset ...good theres Mr Morgan and the Captain

Cheers UP
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Old 3rd Aug 2012, 16:00
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Everyone here is completely missing the point.

Before the "talent pool" email you would pass the interview, or sign the contract and wait 7 months - 1 year with no contact from QR. During which you will come on PPRuNe and rant and rave for the duration, after which you receive a joining date, and post about how great an opportunity this is and tell everyone else to have patience.

The difference now is that you wait 7 months - 1 year except that you now recieve an email which says that you are in a "talent pool". During which you will come on PPRuNe and rant and rave for the duration, after which you receive a joining date, and post about how great an opportunity this is and tell everyone else to have patience.

Hello! NOTHING has changed, the only difference is that they send you an email after you pass the interview and tell you that you are in a talent pool, the difference between now and one year ago is nothing except for the email. Everything else is still the same. Someone at recruitment just took the file for pilots waiting to join and typed "Talent Pool" on the top line, highlighted it, made it bold and chose size 16. And there you have your talent pool.

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Old 3rd Aug 2012, 17:05
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I know its frustrating to wait for an answer (whether good or bad), but would you rather QR tell you they are not interested in hiring you? Ranting will not make the process move any faster. While QR have multiple training locations, keep in mind QR is not the only airline using those facilities.

You should also be aware, if you are on the A320 fleet (NTR), you will have 2-3 months wait before you start your type rating training. And even after you return from your training, line training is backed up as well. So it may be as much as 6 months before you are release from the training department after joining date(assuming you don't have any problems).

So if you don't have the patience now, then you need to reconsider your decision to coming her. There will be many other frustrating things you will experience here once you get here...I promise you! My advice...sit back, rub your ear lobes and say "Whoo Saghhh!!"

If you have a job and are in the talent pool, consider yourself fortunate as I know many people who aren't so fortunate wish they could find a job. If you don't have a job, why are you putting all your eggs into QR basket or waiting by the computer as if there is no tomorrow? QR is not the only airline that is hiring. There are many carriers around the world who are hiring.

For those who are in the talent pool, one email a month to inquire about your joining status should be ample enough to keep you up to date. Anything more will only put your name at the bottom of the call list (or maybe no call at all).

Good luck
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Old 3rd Aug 2012, 18:04
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Ironbutt57 and Airmann:

What you maybe don't realise is that at least one of the A320 sims in ARN is approved by QCAA!
I agree with what others think, that it is actually lack of TRI, that is the case, but maybe you know better.

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Old 3rd Aug 2012, 19:22
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SAS-A321: fair enough, but the sim is not the only thing holding up training and joining, there's the organizational requirement for joining, i.e. coordination with HR and with Immigration etc. So thats the first limit. Then there's line training to contend with as well. There's no point QR hiring tons of people only for there to be another bottle neck between the TR and Line Training due to a lack of TRI/TREs ahem.
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Old 3rd Aug 2012, 21:23
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With approximately 3.4 sim sessions per day just for recurrent training for existing QR pilots alone, and new hire intake, I suspect all aspects of training is probably operating at max or more capacity...
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Old 4th Aug 2012, 04:17
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Airmann,

I don't agree with you. If their intent was to place us in a talent pool for up to a year they wouldn't ask you to sign back a contract with only a 6 day limit and ask for what your notice period at your current company. Not to mention, verbatim, "we will get back to you in 2-3 weeks with a join date". Now 4 months and 3 non personalized emails later....nada.
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Old 4th Aug 2012, 11:18
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Sorry mate, I wasn't aware of that, I was under the impression that it was only people who passed the interview that were given the Talent pool email not people who had already signed contracts.
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Old 4th Aug 2012, 14:16
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You have not got a job until you turn up on day 1. I suggest you remember that and not have all your eggs in one basket.
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Old 4th Aug 2012, 16:40
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Even as active and current on 340/330, I have being offered a 777 as DEC , with a nice 50k bonding.....Are they reading our cv's, or just they want to block us there for at least 3 years, when the bonding diminishes? If someone wishes to leave QR, before the 3 year period, he must nicely submit a bank check of 50 k $!...
What about if you where kicked out....?
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Old 4th Aug 2012, 19:39
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You have wide body time, they need you on the 777, its as simple as that
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Old 4th Aug 2012, 19:39
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And don't believe half the crap on here, you would have to do something really stupid to get kicked out
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Old 4th Aug 2012, 20:00
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Thks BP for the info. My concern is, IF I want to leave Qatar earlier than the contract mentioned minimum time, what's up with the bond.....and " kicked out" I was meaning, what if they kick you out, is the bond still waiting for you in the corner, or is it a good opportunity to leave them without paying all this unbelievable amount.....
My friend, after 32 years in aviation, and moe than 20k hours, specialy on airbus, it will be hard for me, to start from the beginning.......Anyway, thanks or the info, will think about it. Have safe flights, my friend!
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Old 4th Aug 2012, 23:58
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If you get type-rated on an aircraft, you are bonded for 3-years. If you leave, you owe the bond. If you are terminated, you do not owe the bond.

While the latter may conjuror up some ideas, but unfortunately, the Training Manager at all the training facilities have been instructed not to release the records to the trainee or create documentation that will allow them to apply their new type-rating onto their original certificate because QR has been screwed by pilots getting their type-rating and purposely doing things to get terminated.

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