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Sal, could hardly contain the laughter from your earlier post. You have to be a comedian.....go tell us another one!!!!
Misguided little fella you better get used to it.
gets a little annoying when good attitudes gets attacked by the likes of you.
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Guys, earlier this year I was bitter about the situation in Gulfair and I sometimes got upset about IB's comments, but this time IB57 and Sal-e is right.
If you guys (Jackbauer, Vfenext etc. have other opportunities good for you, be excited about your new job but I cannot see the point of still being bitter about Gulfair. It's the problem of people who stays in gulfair and if they are happy with it they good luck to them also.
Noone has a right to judge someone else's situation, even though we all work (worked) for the same airline all of us came from different social and financial backgrounds, and see the situation differently.
I think all you should do is to wish best of luck to each other.
If you guys (Jackbauer, Vfenext etc. have other opportunities good for you, be excited about your new job but I cannot see the point of still being bitter about Gulfair. It's the problem of people who stays in gulfair and if they are happy with it they good luck to them also.
Noone has a right to judge someone else's situation, even though we all work (worked) for the same airline all of us came from different social and financial backgrounds, and see the situation differently.
I think all you should do is to wish best of luck to each other.
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we all gained something from Gulf Air... some want to leave and trash it which is childish. when u got this job you knew the deal. Fact is that Gulf Air is good for some, those that want to leave good luck but please dont try to make Gulf Air your beating dog if you know what i mean. It helped you move on to "greener pastures" and that is always a good thing. Gf will always have it problems but there are worse places to be and BETTer like always
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Sale lets not get too excited. Personally IB57's comments have never really impressed me as I've always found them biased and one sided. However I must say well done IB for a well said statement. We all have our plans in life. Just get on with them. Time will pick out the Einsteins of us all. Well done GF on the new package. There is lots more work to be done though. Dont stop here. As for EK, EY and QR they're in a different league so not even worth comparing GF to them. Their plans are light years ahead. Doesn't have to be that way for GF though. What GF must realise is it has certain FUNDAMENTALS which need immediate attention. The package was just one of the many. If things don't work out lets hope we all can take it like grown ups cause the decisions we're all making are ours and nobody elses. My impression after talking to many guys is that they are still very much ignorant about the Gulf and its ambitions and how business is really done around here and what determines success etc.....Remember in this business you need to make informed decisions. You miss the boat and your career could easily turn to S**T.
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To LEave or not to Leave
I agree with Iron butt.
People will stay people will leave for Different Reasons.
For who stays Good Luck and Enjoy the Good pay rise and Bahrain.
For who leaves hope you made good studies on where you are going cause some of Gf competitors only offer Money than all Fu.... up
But whatever your Decision do NOT try to enforce it on Others.
For whoever decides to leave just leave quitely and let those who are staying to enjoy their extra beers from the extra money in Peace.
People will stay people will leave for Different Reasons.
For who stays Good Luck and Enjoy the Good pay rise and Bahrain.
For who leaves hope you made good studies on where you are going cause some of Gf competitors only offer Money than all Fu.... up
But whatever your Decision do NOT try to enforce it on Others.
For whoever decides to leave just leave quitely and let those who are staying to enjoy their extra beers from the extra money in Peace.
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I never though I'd see the day to read a sensible un-biased opinion from IB57. Keep going mate, you've got a lot of catching up to do.
As for the debate "shall I go or shall I stay", as IB57 eloquently put it there will be those who stay and those who go, whatever happens. What I see though reading the various comments is that some of you talk about Naff as if we need to give the guy a chance. Well as far as I'm concerned, he had his chance, blew it and now is trying to salvage the situation which he put the airline in.
People you either suffer from amnesia or are in total denial. This is the guy who came in threatening 1500 sackings, this is the guy who said 25% staff reductions, this is the guy who chopped half our routes, this is the guy who in the first meeting said he has a list of 200 pilots who have a bad record (my ar$e) and will be sacked, this is the guy who gave us BD 200 and said "we cannot match the competition's salaries". This is the guy who when asked in the first meeting "what will you do if 100 pilots leave" replied "we'll just shut it down" YES IT IS THIS GUY.
What in heavens name makes you trust him now? It seems we all have a price, for the right price you can suffer volentary amnesia.
At least be honest and dont BS, just say the truth, you want the money and you dont give a rat's ar$e about anything else.
As for the debate "shall I go or shall I stay", as IB57 eloquently put it there will be those who stay and those who go, whatever happens. What I see though reading the various comments is that some of you talk about Naff as if we need to give the guy a chance. Well as far as I'm concerned, he had his chance, blew it and now is trying to salvage the situation which he put the airline in.
People you either suffer from amnesia or are in total denial. This is the guy who came in threatening 1500 sackings, this is the guy who said 25% staff reductions, this is the guy who chopped half our routes, this is the guy who in the first meeting said he has a list of 200 pilots who have a bad record (my ar$e) and will be sacked, this is the guy who gave us BD 200 and said "we cannot match the competition's salaries". This is the guy who when asked in the first meeting "what will you do if 100 pilots leave" replied "we'll just shut it down" YES IT IS THIS GUY.
What in heavens name makes you trust him now? It seems we all have a price, for the right price you can suffer volentary amnesia.
At least be honest and dont BS, just say the truth, you want the money and you dont give a rat's ar$e about anything else.
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Mach084, please don't waste your time trying to show this guys the facts. I agree with you that they gotta be in denial or something cuz since Mr. BN announced the "still to come and still to see if it's going to happen" salary increase, he suddenly became an angel and the perfect manager for GF. Everyone is the master of their own destiny and time will tell mate! Meanwhile, IŽll be enjoying Abu Dhabi seeing how all this "naive believers) struggle to find out what are they going to do when all the opening positions in EY,EK and QR are fully covered. Good luck guys! 
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Please dont get me wrong, I'm not trying to convince anyone to stay or leave. That is your and only your decision; I made mine and I'm happy with it.
What I dont comprehend is how short memory some of us have.
Personally I felt more secure with Hogan who came in with a branding plan and a layed out strategy for GF, he managed to raise moral and had those dimwitts on the bored (pun intended) let him get on with it we would be in a much better shape today. Hogan at least had vision for the future of GF, he wanted the airline to be back on top and he even managed to get the business traveller back.
What strategy does the present mangement have?
The only thing we know which they announced was their plan to reduce costs. Well through their own blunders they managed to double the highest cost in the airline, namely labour cost. They cut numerous prestigious routes, which are the airline's bloodline, HOW ABOUT TRYING TO DEVELOP them instead of chopping them. But you see that's hard, cutting is easy, it requires no managerial skills whatsoever. As for the rest, I guess they're still trying to figure out who we're competing with, Jassira, India express or Air Timbuktu
Oh well I had my say, good luck to good old GF.
Mach
What I dont comprehend is how short memory some of us have.
Personally I felt more secure with Hogan who came in with a branding plan and a layed out strategy for GF, he managed to raise moral and had those dimwitts on the bored (pun intended) let him get on with it we would be in a much better shape today. Hogan at least had vision for the future of GF, he wanted the airline to be back on top and he even managed to get the business traveller back.
What strategy does the present mangement have?
The only thing we know which they announced was their plan to reduce costs. Well through their own blunders they managed to double the highest cost in the airline, namely labour cost. They cut numerous prestigious routes, which are the airline's bloodline, HOW ABOUT TRYING TO DEVELOP them instead of chopping them. But you see that's hard, cutting is easy, it requires no managerial skills whatsoever. As for the rest, I guess they're still trying to figure out who we're competing with, Jassira, India express or Air Timbuktu
Oh well I had my say, good luck to good old GF.
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Mach the airline you mentioned you are going to is loosing the same millions as GF.
Qatar loosing same millions as GF.
Only Emirates makes profit as a group because they do eveything and the have monopoly of all.
What do these have in common growing Economies Budget surplus.
Yes Gulf air is suffering like the others but as last the Govt, has understood that They have to do like others.
The Country needs the airline even if it is making loss.
This I have said since the beginning .The Country needs the ailrine to boost economy so what if it looses couple of millions this will be offset with the Boom in Economy the country is doing.
Study a bit of economics my friend and you will see that the benefit the country will get even from a loosing airline surpasses the need for the airline to make profit.
get the people here and let them spend the money in the country to boost the economy.
Qatar loosing same millions as GF.
Only Emirates makes profit as a group because they do eveything and the have monopoly of all.
What do these have in common growing Economies Budget surplus.
Yes Gulf air is suffering like the others but as last the Govt, has understood that They have to do like others.
The Country needs the airline even if it is making loss.
This I have said since the beginning .The Country needs the ailrine to boost economy so what if it looses couple of millions this will be offset with the Boom in Economy the country is doing.
Study a bit of economics my friend and you will see that the benefit the country will get even from a loosing airline surpasses the need for the airline to make profit.
get the people here and let them spend the money in the country to boost the economy.
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Money Talks
QUESTION to all Guys Leaving GF for good.
Would anyone have resigned if money in EY EK QR was less than GF??
Lets all be honest that is all we look at.
But hope all did the sums Right.
If you work 85 hours in EY and they take two off days from You .
(NO PAYMENT FOR OVERTIME GOES AGAINST BASIC HUMAN RIGHTS )
in basic terms called Slavery
Money in GF will be more.
Enjoy !!!!
Would anyone have resigned if money in EY EK QR was less than GF??
Lets all be honest that is all we look at.
But hope all did the sums Right.
If you work 85 hours in EY and they take two off days from You .
(NO PAYMENT FOR OVERTIME GOES AGAINST BASIC HUMAN RIGHTS )
in basic terms called Slavery
Money in GF will be more.
Enjoy !!!!
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Good package no doubt but for how long.and is Gulfair really commited to inprove all sectors?Legality problems are pounding the headquarters.Aircrafts stay on ground for 12hours not been utilised,Millions get lost a day,Please God save this company from its Criminal gangs.
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Bus787, thanks mate I'm off to study some economics.
By the way I applied to EY when their salary was less than GF but was unable to go due to the ban on GF pilots.
Cheers
Mach
By the way I applied to EY when their salary was less than GF but was unable to go due to the ban on GF pilots.
Cheers
Mach
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Well, I am going to EK in October and haev not changed my mind. My decision toleave had nothing to do with money (though it was a nice bonus) but due to one very simple fact: I ABSOLUTELY do NOT trust the BOD or the government to steer GF in the right direction.
I think BN will do an excellent job with GF if they continue to give him the support that he needs. But if/when that disappears we will be back to the same old ways. I sincerely hope that does not happen but he risk in staying, in the hopes that things really have changed, is too high. I have a family and career to think about.
Assuming GF gets its act together, fixes the aircraft, deals with all the crap that goes on in the pink palace (STILL only got my leave ticket 3 days before leaving because no one gives a crap and deadly beurocracy) etc etc etc - and it is a LONG list - it might get close to being something like EK!
So really, the risk in leaving is low but the risk in staying is quite high.
I think BN will do an excellent job with GF if they continue to give him the support that he needs. But if/when that disappears we will be back to the same old ways. I sincerely hope that does not happen but he risk in staying, in the hopes that things really have changed, is too high. I have a family and career to think about.
Assuming GF gets its act together, fixes the aircraft, deals with all the crap that goes on in the pink palace (STILL only got my leave ticket 3 days before leaving because no one gives a crap and deadly beurocracy) etc etc etc - and it is a LONG list - it might get close to being something like EK!
So really, the risk in leaving is low but the risk in staying is quite high.