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Quite amazing. Demonstrating because a voluntary offer is not good enough.
If you don't like it, don't take it!
Although I'm sure the company would be better off and more efficient without the lot of them.
If these people tried putting in a full day's work for a change the airline wouldn't be in the financial mess it's in right now.
It's a bit of a generalisation, but fair to say that most Gulf nationals have no idea what a hard day's work really is.
If you don't like it, don't take it!
Although I'm sure the company would be better off and more efficient without the lot of them.
If these people tried putting in a full day's work for a change the airline wouldn't be in the financial mess it's in right now.
It's a bit of a generalisation, but fair to say that most Gulf nationals have no idea what a hard day's work really is.
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agreed, but then again when me looks at some expats shoddy quality of work, I do wonder who is actually giving this organisation the time of day....No names mentionned
Sorry Bauer, didn't want to rock your temper again!
Sorry Bauer, didn't want to rock your temper again!
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The voluntary severence package for BH and OMN staff had its deadline extended to October today and the addition of 'ticket entitlements' thrown in. So far it is rumoured that around 250 have expresed/registered their interest. It was also understood today that if this scheme does not achieve the required head-count then the salaries of the excess will be taken off GF payroll and paid by the holding company as no-one will be (can be?) managed out of the company.
Ah! So now we just get someone else to pay their salary, but keep them in-situ continuing to get in the way of progress, productivity, efficiency and (hopefully) profitability. Hmmmm...
Ah! So now we just get someone else to pay their salary, but keep them in-situ continuing to get in the way of progress, productivity, efficiency and (hopefully) profitability. Hmmmm...
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What this says to me is that the management is indecisive and incapable of carying out its plan.
Does not promise much for the future and shows MH right in relation to everyone else's idea of ehat is going on here.
I can't trust'em!
Does not promise much for the future and shows MH right in relation to everyone else's idea of ehat is going on here.
I can't trust'em!
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It has to be said that Dosh and Nuff hit the deck, writing. But they seem to be beating into the stiff headwinds of staff scepticism and suspicion without enough linguistic keel, making their progress appear sideways at best, even backwards. It's not just their handling of the major concerns like pay and retrenchment where they invariably seem to say one thing and mean another, or mean one thing and say another. It's their second-hand and unnatural command of the English language which seems to be causing some problems. Judging by the speed with which they ditched the familiar and established title of VPO for the peculiar and rather horologically quaint COO, they are obviously concerned with how things sound and look.
But take their first plunge into the dangerous shallows of written English, the preliminary fighting talk of how we all had now to 'Get Gulfair Well'. A pathetic fallacy, this one slogan referred to a diseased organism and overnight undid 55 years of costly advertising campaigns. Overnight, the punters (forget the ones who could still recall the glory days of the Tristars and their tinkling bars), had their lavish Hogan rebranded images of Plump and Golden Falcons and Sky Chefs Serving Daily Schedules to Distant Destinations whipped from their minds and replaced by terrifying, spectral shapes of The Sick Airline Of The Gulf, on life support, haemorrhaging fast. But is it not self evident? Punters want well-trained crew flying brand new aircraft, daily and hopefully empty so they get three seats each, to all parts of the world with tiptop service as cheap as possible. Here, on many of these counts, GF was an obliging beast. Shareholders, on the other hand, want returns, profits. Here, GF wasn't.( The sliced salami in this unlikely sandwich , of course, is us, the staff, but on this occasion, let's not go there, as Oprah would say).To satisfy both is an enormous challenge, achieved rarely and only by the best of investors and management. So, if you're going to use the (pathetic fallacy) analogy of an organism to describe the fortunes of a medium-sized airline, at least keep the two perspectives of the organism seperated. Sure, the shareholders have been compromised, to put it mildly, and they now have a carcasse on their hands. But in this case there was absolutely no need to terrify the public with images of a sick donkey. The transition to satisfy punters and shareholders needs to be done delicately, with pruning shears not a clockwork bulldozer. And with a measured, firm command of the English language.
Then we got 'Help is on the Way'. Presumably the message here was that, although the company is overburdened with 6000 employees, none of these 6000 had sufficient calibre or experience or professional qualifications to solve the company's problems. Whither Company Resource Management?
Following a few days of some technical delays we were advised that the management had gone into 'crisis mode'. Perhaps these new managers should recall that there are still many employees in Gulfair who once had to evacuate their families off the island, leave home with the windows taped up, drive to work at the airport past makeshift military field hospitals and sit at the holding point of RWY 30 waiting for the sirens of a scud attack to end. In other words GF has gone though many, very real crises where the expression 'crisis mode' would have been more applicable, although I cannot recall previous managements having felt the need to use it.
Recently we have been advised that they are going to give us ' a heads up ' on the compensation packages. This disingenuous neologism has yet to make it into my Brewer's Dictionary of Phrase and Fable but you can bet your bottom dinar that the writer has got his head down trying to conceal something.
We have also been given 'in addition the reinsurance of the PCE' to believe something they've told us. I know that they know that we are all worried about whether our indemnities are adequately protected in their new hands but the term they meant to use in the context was 'reassurance'.
Finally, of course, there is We Can Do It. Borrowed from a shoe manufacturer this simple and declarative sentence , with its pitiful indefinite object begging hopelessly for some semantic significance, achieves only in going the way of most things insubstantial in the company’s jetblast.
But take their first plunge into the dangerous shallows of written English, the preliminary fighting talk of how we all had now to 'Get Gulfair Well'. A pathetic fallacy, this one slogan referred to a diseased organism and overnight undid 55 years of costly advertising campaigns. Overnight, the punters (forget the ones who could still recall the glory days of the Tristars and their tinkling bars), had their lavish Hogan rebranded images of Plump and Golden Falcons and Sky Chefs Serving Daily Schedules to Distant Destinations whipped from their minds and replaced by terrifying, spectral shapes of The Sick Airline Of The Gulf, on life support, haemorrhaging fast. But is it not self evident? Punters want well-trained crew flying brand new aircraft, daily and hopefully empty so they get three seats each, to all parts of the world with tiptop service as cheap as possible. Here, on many of these counts, GF was an obliging beast. Shareholders, on the other hand, want returns, profits. Here, GF wasn't.( The sliced salami in this unlikely sandwich , of course, is us, the staff, but on this occasion, let's not go there, as Oprah would say).To satisfy both is an enormous challenge, achieved rarely and only by the best of investors and management. So, if you're going to use the (pathetic fallacy) analogy of an organism to describe the fortunes of a medium-sized airline, at least keep the two perspectives of the organism seperated. Sure, the shareholders have been compromised, to put it mildly, and they now have a carcasse on their hands. But in this case there was absolutely no need to terrify the public with images of a sick donkey. The transition to satisfy punters and shareholders needs to be done delicately, with pruning shears not a clockwork bulldozer. And with a measured, firm command of the English language.
Then we got 'Help is on the Way'. Presumably the message here was that, although the company is overburdened with 6000 employees, none of these 6000 had sufficient calibre or experience or professional qualifications to solve the company's problems. Whither Company Resource Management?
Following a few days of some technical delays we were advised that the management had gone into 'crisis mode'. Perhaps these new managers should recall that there are still many employees in Gulfair who once had to evacuate their families off the island, leave home with the windows taped up, drive to work at the airport past makeshift military field hospitals and sit at the holding point of RWY 30 waiting for the sirens of a scud attack to end. In other words GF has gone though many, very real crises where the expression 'crisis mode' would have been more applicable, although I cannot recall previous managements having felt the need to use it.
Recently we have been advised that they are going to give us ' a heads up ' on the compensation packages. This disingenuous neologism has yet to make it into my Brewer's Dictionary of Phrase and Fable but you can bet your bottom dinar that the writer has got his head down trying to conceal something.
We have also been given 'in addition the reinsurance of the PCE' to believe something they've told us. I know that they know that we are all worried about whether our indemnities are adequately protected in their new hands but the term they meant to use in the context was 'reassurance'.
Finally, of course, there is We Can Do It. Borrowed from a shoe manufacturer this simple and declarative sentence , with its pitiful indefinite object begging hopelessly for some semantic significance, achieves only in going the way of most things insubstantial in the company’s jetblast.
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I do agree with you !!!
This Managment is not better than the one before ! There are so many things that must be changed right away otherwise more pilots will leave.
1: Give the pilots 3-bars( they have been flying with 3or4 before) This 2bar thing is from the old English days, only that the English Airlines don't use 2bars anymore, but Gulf-Air still is. Also you can save some money (not a lot, but better than nothing)
2: We need more on the housing, because the rent in Bahrain has gotten up so much and the Sallary is just not coping up with. If they don't increase I will be off as soon as I have the hours( and that is in 2 month
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Gulf-Air is operating in Mechanical backup a the moment, not because they don't perform but because the Managment is crappy.
The pilots are given their best, but it is not appreciated.
If more pilots leave we have to fly more overtime. And we all know that we can't do that forever, right ? So the only answer for chronical overtime is sickness and resignment.
GULF-AIR WAKE UP
1: Give the pilots 3-bars( they have been flying with 3or4 before) This 2bar thing is from the old English days, only that the English Airlines don't use 2bars anymore, but Gulf-Air still is. Also you can save some money (not a lot, but better than nothing)
2: We need more on the housing, because the rent in Bahrain has gotten up so much and the Sallary is just not coping up with. If they don't increase I will be off as soon as I have the hours( and that is in 2 month
)Gulf-Air is operating in Mechanical backup a the moment, not because they don't perform but because the Managment is crappy.
The pilots are given their best, but it is not appreciated.
If more pilots leave we have to fly more overtime. And we all know that we can't do that forever, right ? So the only answer for chronical overtime is sickness and resignment.
GULF-AIR WAKE UP
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Interesting, but that sure dosen't reflect what i need to stay.
3 bars?? Sure, but two is fine as well, or 6 if you prefer. Whatever, that sure wouldn't be on my top things to fix list though, i really could care less.
Give me instead..a stable, computerized unmafiable rostering system with published blocks that i can bid on each month, and then don't change my schedule 12 times in as many days. Give me a career progression path, one that dosen't leave me wondering if i'll still be wearing 2, 3 or 6 bars in the right seat 10 years from now. Give me the ability to fly something other than shorthaul all the time, cross train the airbus guys, and finally (and not the most important) give me a fair competitive compensation package addressing housing and schooling realistically, a decent provident fund that i can use towards my retirement and a base salary that keeps up with inflation and other airlines in the region.
Once you fix all that, then sure i'll take the three bars. In the meantime my ego isn't suffering with 2.
3 bars?? Sure, but two is fine as well, or 6 if you prefer. Whatever, that sure wouldn't be on my top things to fix list though, i really could care less.
Give me instead..a stable, computerized unmafiable rostering system with published blocks that i can bid on each month, and then don't change my schedule 12 times in as many days. Give me a career progression path, one that dosen't leave me wondering if i'll still be wearing 2, 3 or 6 bars in the right seat 10 years from now. Give me the ability to fly something other than shorthaul all the time, cross train the airbus guys, and finally (and not the most important) give me a fair competitive compensation package addressing housing and schooling realistically, a decent provident fund that i can use towards my retirement and a base salary that keeps up with inflation and other airlines in the region.
Once you fix all that, then sure i'll take the three bars. In the meantime my ego isn't suffering with 2.
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hello everyone just heard from the boys that **** from hr amina and her croonies got a pay rise of 300 to 500 dinars! so we do the hard work,fly rust buckets around,each sector is like a simulator and we get paid peanuts!!!
bn ?????
just heard from the boys that **** from hr amina and her croonies got a pay rise of 300 to 500 dinars! so we do the hard work,fly rust buckets around,each sector is like a simulator and we get paid peanuts!!! bn ?????
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And these were generally the people you see swiping in and then either, (a)parking the car and getting to their desks 20mins later or (b) going off to take their kids to school and coming back an hour later or (c) driving off and coming back at 3pm to swipe out!
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regarding what you wrote above did you see and know anyone of the people who was on strik lets call them. if you did let me know if you really sure u sow them when they take them kids to school or come at 3pm . and the 2nd thing at least they stand to ask for them right when u just stay behind ur screen and write this :-)thank you
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regarding what you wrote above did you see and know anyone of the people who was on strik lets call them. if you did let me know if you really sure u sow them when they take them kids to school or come at 3pm . and the 2nd thing at least they stand to ask for them right when u just stay behind ur screen and write this :-)thank you
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Ameena Shejaei...
Well, the above mentioned lady (actually, she doesn't even qualify as one!) shouldn't get anything else but a big boot in her fatty *** from GF. What to say a payrise!
She's the most arrogant being I ever came across in all these years within the company. Totally disgusting, really a waste of space.
She should really be shown the door sooner rather than later.
OOOPS... she won't! She's bahrani...
She's the most arrogant being I ever came across in all these years within the company. Totally disgusting, really a waste of space.
She should really be shown the door sooner rather than later.
OOOPS... she won't! She's bahrani...
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GF{crew}>>> huh?
tbaylx?>> i could not agree with you more about the stripe issue, but do think they can serve a purpose other than ego here... more operational that could save the company money and ego too. (Has any non training guys fly with an FO that was not cut loose yet?' Nothing on him indicated that he was not ready to go was there? How did you get back to base as a non legal paired crew?)
Tbaylx, I understand where you are coming from. but I do have to say that if it were not for the money I don't that many of us that would be here for more than a quick few years. Trading a lush beautiful country for the sandpit? Are you kidding? You would be here just to fly a nice airplane on a decent route? I’d fly a kite back home if someone were to reward me enough to put a big roof over the heads of the ones that I love.
tbaylx?>> i could not agree with you more about the stripe issue, but do think they can serve a purpose other than ego here... more operational that could save the company money and ego too. (Has any non training guys fly with an FO that was not cut loose yet?' Nothing on him indicated that he was not ready to go was there? How did you get back to base as a non legal paired crew?)
Tbaylx, I understand where you are coming from. but I do have to say that if it were not for the money I don't that many of us that would be here for more than a quick few years. Trading a lush beautiful country for the sandpit? Are you kidding? You would be here just to fly a nice airplane on a decent route? I’d fly a kite back home if someone were to reward me enough to put a big roof over the heads of the ones that I love.
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Dear tbaylx
My ego isn't suffering because of this, it just shows how old Gulf-Airs structure is. 3-bars is not on top of my list allthough I menshioned it first(coinc.). I do agree in everything you said, but don't you agree that having 4.bars flying next to 2-bars is kind of dangerous ? See the accident of 072, was exactly the same situation, the second or first officer wich was from Oman I believe did not interfear in the Captains action. He did not dare to question his decisions. All I am saying is that from the psycolog. point of view it is safer to keep the gap smaller between Commander and first officer !
On the other side , I am from Europe and there they think that I am a purser because of my 2-bars...no big deal ok, but isn't it stone age ???
What about the agreement between Abu Dabi and Bahrain not to take Bahrainies for Ethihad ? Isn't this the best proof how democratic this Kingdom is...aren't these pilots downgraded to unacom. minors ...well done Bahrain
Did you hear just recently that Qatar Airways is opening a base in Bahrain ?If this happenes, I am off to !
So tell me how long have you been working for GF ? And what are your actions next
On the other side , I am from Europe and there they think that I am a purser because of my 2-bars...no big deal ok, but isn't it stone age ???
What about the agreement between Abu Dabi and Bahrain not to take Bahrainies for Ethihad ? Isn't this the best proof how democratic this Kingdom is...aren't these pilots downgraded to unacom. minors ...well done Bahrain
Did you hear just recently that Qatar Airways is opening a base in Bahrain ?If this happenes, I am off to !
So tell me how long have you been working for GF ? And what are your actions next
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She is not bahraini she is irainian and dont speak other than irani and eng she told me that.
And i dont know why she is still here does BN belive she have qualification to be in her position because she only was secretary for Adel.
And i dont know why she is still here does BN belive she have qualification to be in her position because she only was secretary for Adel.
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gf crew u obviously have no idea what u r talking about..first of all i doubt that ur a pilot so stay out of this forum!!! second make an effort to improve your english language before u engage in any debates or talk on this forum,,third yes i have seen useless morons like u sitting outside ops and doing nothing,instead of being on their desks! forth please dont compare yourself to pilots because they are qualified people who should be paid and treated to a specific high standard! and five,i am a bahraini pilot who looks down on 95% of alll the workers in the pink palace because 80% of u guys are not qualified to even make a cup of coffee morons all of u!
second make an effort to improve your english language before u engage in any debates or talk on this forum,,third yes i have seen useless morons like u sitting outside ops and doing nothing,instead of being on their desks! forth please dont compare yourself to pilots because they are qualified people who should be paid and treated to a specific high standard! and five,i am a bahraini pilot who looks down on 95% of alll the workers in the pink palace because 80% of u guys are not qualified to even make a cup of coffee morons all of u!
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not too smallnext time u pass by amina just look at her face u ll notice its unusally brown,u know why?,because she stuck it so far up bn/ads ass that it has retained the colour of ****
if u guys dont know this ,she is the one aganist pilots gettin paid more!
next time u pass by amina just look at her face u ll notice its unusally brown,u know why?,because she stuck it so far up bn/ads ass that it has retained the colour of **** if u guys dont know this ,she is the one aganist pilots gettin paid more!
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gf crew u obviously have no idea what u r talking about..first of all i doubt that ur a pilot so stay out of this forum!!! second make an effort to improve your english language before u engage in any debates or talk on this forum,,third yes i have seen useless morons like u sitting outside ops and doing nothing,instead of being on their desks! forth please dont compare yourself to pilots because they are qualified people who should be paid and treated to a specific high standard! and five,i am a bahraini pilot who looks down on 95% of alll the workers in the pink palace because 80% of u guys are not qualified to even make a cup of coffee morons all of u!)
as u just said its forum so its not ur father sit is it and what make u think ur qualified too i know iam cabin crew but i think iam more qualifed then u
guys like me is the problem with us we give u more respact becouse ur 4 bar and not all 4bars useless like u same with us not all of us useless same what ur mantion lol, and let me know if ur father planing to buy the sit so that i dont past and comn lol
gf crew u obviously have no idea what u r talking about..first of all i doubt that ur a pilot so stay out of this forum!!!
second make an effort to improve your english language before u engage in any debates or talk on this forum,,third yes i have seen useless morons like u sitting outside ops and doing nothing,instead of being on their desks! forth please dont compare yourself to pilots because they are qualified people who should be paid and treated to a specific high standard! and five,i am a bahraini pilot who looks down on 95% of alll the workers in the pink palace because 80% of u guys are not qualified to even make a cup of coffee morons all of u!) as u just said its forum so its not ur father sit is it and what make u think ur qualified too i know iam cabin crew but i think iam more qualifed then u
guys like me is the problem with us we give u more respact becouse ur 4 bar and not all 4bars useless like u same with us not all of us useless same what ur mantion lol, and let me know if ur father planing to buy the sit so that i dont past and comn lol
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That last post took me back to grade school. Kept having flash-backs of Ms. Whitworth smacking my hands with a ruler!!
"now Johnny, you know that's not how we spell in this school!"
"now Johnny, you know that's not how we spell in this school!"
