Qatar Crew Suicide
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tiltgain, my friend that's why I said
They can demand it through the embassy or other diplomatic channels. Please read carefully. Should the officials refuse the cooperation there's a service called private detective. In civilized world people simply hire a private detective who makes sure the result is accurate. Just a reminder:
Case of alleged rape in Singapore - outcome.....? Was the guy guilty or not? What's the verdict? I'm sure you'd agree the Singaporean judicial system is sophisticated enough to convict the culprit if found guilty.
All I'm saying is just lets be careful with our conclusions as we simply don't even know if there's the corpus delicti or not? Too many questions are to be answered. All we have is an lethal event which even hasn't been classified. As far as intimidation and other things concerns it's another pair of shoes.
Cheers.
I hope very much the parents will demand a participation of national homicide department representative in Qatar.
Case of alleged rape in Singapore - outcome.....? Was the guy guilty or not? What's the verdict? I'm sure you'd agree the Singaporean judicial system is sophisticated enough to convict the culprit if found guilty.
All I'm saying is just lets be careful with our conclusions as we simply don't even know if there's the corpus delicti or not? Too many questions are to be answered. All we have is an lethal event which even hasn't been classified. As far as intimidation and other things concerns it's another pair of shoes.
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Case of alleged rape in Singapore - outcome.....? Was the guy guilty or not?
Yes he was guilty because it happened in Singapore. Do you think if the same thing happens in Doha the result will be the same? If you don’t believe me try to make the same story in here and tell us about the out come.
Case of alleged rape in Singapore - outcome.....? Was the guy guilty or not?
Yes he was guilty because it happened in Singapore. Do you think if the same thing happens in Doha the result will be the same? If you don’t believe me try to make the same story in here and tell us about the out come.
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This type of event is always a tragedy. My memory is a bit fuddled, I thought this was the third such event in the past three years. I was corrected, apparently it is the forth. One being the unsuccessful event in the Flight Dispatch female bathroom.
Four times now???
Even the most cynical observer must ask "What the
is going on over there?"
Four times now???
Even the most cynical observer must ask "What the
is going on over there?"
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luvly78, well I'm glad you're not a judge!!
B.S A chain of events like this, suppose it's true, must most certainly bring up lot of questions and sooner or later will cause the bubble to burst. It's tragedy and please let's not turn it into demagogy.
God bless her soul.!!!
Yes he was guilty because it happened in Singapore
B.S A chain of events like this, suppose it's true, must most certainly bring up lot of questions and sooner or later will cause the bubble to burst. It's tragedy and please let's not turn it into demagogy.
God bless her soul.!!!
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Dear luvly78
We are talking about a person, a life, of someone who is no longer with us. This girl died, because of the pressure and rules that we have to leave with in QR. It is too much, and we feel that there is nothing we can do. When I joined QR, 5 years ago, I came with brilliant ideas of Associations and Unions to defend and to protect ourselves of this CEO and his crazy ideas. All went down the drain. Let’s face it we are infidels. There is nothing we can do, except not joining. I personally, cannot leave for the next 2 years, but after that, I will sure leave and try to forget this place. We all do have good moments around, but are they enough to justify our stay? I don’t know. Regarding the rape case in QR, you should try to get better information’s. I am a friend of the guy, and if he was convicted in SIN as you say, shouldn’t he be in jail??? SIN police is not a joke, so how can you explain me that last June, one year ago, I was on a QR layover, having some drinks with him, while he was doing his Simulator checks, and working for another carrier. He was happy, and I was glad, can you explain me how he did it? Perhaps he is David Copperfield. and just vanished from his cell, were he would have to stay for 10 years if he was convicted. And not to mention his criminal record. Clean, otherwise, not a chance to work on another Airline. Get your facts strait, and let our dear girl R.I.P. You are a cabin crew, try to speak more with the rest of the guys, and look if somebody else is in trouble. Perhaps we can avoid another tragedy. SEE YOU……
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OXY mask Knows Luvly78!
OXYGENMASK, Initially do accept the condolences.
may the girl's SOUL rest in peace.
and you Luvly78 read this by Oxygenmask, quote, "Get your facts strait, and let our dear girl R.I.P. You are a cabin crew, try to speak more with the rest of the guys, and look if somebody else is in trouble. Perhaps we can avoid another tragedy. SEE YOU."
You are known mate, keep your guards UP
INV
may the girl's SOUL rest in peace.
and you Luvly78 read this by Oxygenmask, quote, "Get your facts strait, and let our dear girl R.I.P. You are a cabin crew, try to speak more with the rest of the guys, and look if somebody else is in trouble. Perhaps we can avoid another tragedy. SEE YOU."
You are known mate, keep your guards UP
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B.S
To start with, please refrain from malicious descriptions provided you intent any further conversation otherwise just ignore me.
What are we striving for? Truth and justice in this particular case, right? That only can be achieved by following proper legal steps.
Legal proceeding in case of events with mortal outcome.
First of all an autopsy must be conducted which includes interrogation of people involved such as working colleagues room mates next kin superiors etc. Any kind of evidence will be secured such as diaries notes mail boxes etc. Based on that and the result of autopsy the cause of death and it's classification (natural or unnatural) will be determined. In case of unnatural death a murder is suspected the criminal police will have to launch a criminal case and investigate it.
Now to make sure nothing is covered up the next kin can demand a national police to have full access to the files or they can demand it through a lawyer.
Starting from there further actions can be taking dependable on the will and the results.
You don't want the death in vain, so make sure anyone involved or knowing something makes a true statements to the police and that everything is on protocol ergo whoever or whatever caused that tragedy will be brought to trial. One doesn't have to be interrogated by the police in order to make a statement. It can and must be done individually in case of possessing any kind of evidence or information otherwise one will become an accomplice.
Again, so far we got nothing but a tragic event. I urgently suggest we refrain from any kind of accusations and allegations as they can be classified as defamation. Just remember "INNOCENT TILL PROVEN GUILTY" It's all about justice nothing else.
Cheers.
Popay, you can be sanctimonious if you like. But none of your fluffing about will bring her back; or most importantly, solicit any change to better protect the cabin crew.
What are we striving for? Truth and justice in this particular case, right? That only can be achieved by following proper legal steps.
Legal proceeding in case of events with mortal outcome.
First of all an autopsy must be conducted which includes interrogation of people involved such as working colleagues room mates next kin superiors etc. Any kind of evidence will be secured such as diaries notes mail boxes etc. Based on that and the result of autopsy the cause of death and it's classification (natural or unnatural) will be determined. In case of unnatural death a murder is suspected the criminal police will have to launch a criminal case and investigate it.
Now to make sure nothing is covered up the next kin can demand a national police to have full access to the files or they can demand it through a lawyer.
Starting from there further actions can be taking dependable on the will and the results.
You don't want the death in vain, so make sure anyone involved or knowing something makes a true statements to the police and that everything is on protocol ergo whoever or whatever caused that tragedy will be brought to trial. One doesn't have to be interrogated by the police in order to make a statement. It can and must be done individually in case of possessing any kind of evidence or information otherwise one will become an accomplice.
Again, so far we got nothing but a tragic event. I urgently suggest we refrain from any kind of accusations and allegations as they can be classified as defamation. Just remember "INNOCENT TILL PROVEN GUILTY" It's all about justice nothing else.
Cheers.
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His only action was to humiliate a cabin crew by offloading her from her flight, something to do with grooming.
...the important thing is to humiliate, he was there and that was his most important contribution to the delivery of a 5 star service, cabin crew intimidation.
...the important thing is to humiliate, he was there and that was his most important contribution to the delivery of a 5 star service, cabin crew intimidation.
Let it be known that until furthur notice, all beatings will continue until staff moral increases!
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luvly78, you did good to delete your latest post or was it pprune, whoever but I gotte tell you friend you gotta out of control. However I published the list of designated lawyer once I'll do again http://qatar.usembassy.gov/lawyers_in_qatar.html
Suppose all you've told is true take Law Office of Noora Sarhan
Contact: Noora Sarhan
C Ring Road Golden Building 2nd Floor - Office Number 806
PO Box 6790, Doha, State of Qatar
Phone: (974) 444-3206; (974) 444-3230
Fax: (974) 444-3207
Email: [email protected]
Areas of Practice: Arbitration, Banking Law, Civil, Criminal and Commercial Litigation, Corporate and Commercial Law, Contractual, International Agency and Intellectual Property, Employment Law, and Real Eastate
She doesn't give a damn about who is married to whom and who is who's brother I can tell you that. I personally doubt you will ever make a move but hey you asked for it you get it.
Something I cant really figure out quite yet is, what's that all about?, and why this message is spread? What's the purpose? Someone is trying to tell me that a person dies on the 29th around 6 am and is buried on the 30th? Throwing a suicide version into a round? South Korean national will not be buried in Qatar but transported back home and I'm quite sure it's a will of her parents. It takes at least couple of days time to go through all the formal procedures (such as issue of death certificate which can only be done after the autopsy) and the body must be transferred to the morgue for preservation.
It all doesn't make much sense to me, sorry.
Besides a suicide is an act of desperation or protest. Usually the deceased leaves a testimony. Let's see how far it will all go? Anyone who can help the parents please do so.
Suppose all you've told is true take Law Office of Noora Sarhan
Contact: Noora Sarhan
C Ring Road Golden Building 2nd Floor - Office Number 806
PO Box 6790, Doha, State of Qatar
Phone: (974) 444-3206; (974) 444-3230
Fax: (974) 444-3207
Email: [email protected]
Areas of Practice: Arbitration, Banking Law, Civil, Criminal and Commercial Litigation, Corporate and Commercial Law, Contractual, International Agency and Intellectual Property, Employment Law, and Real Eastate
She doesn't give a damn about who is married to whom and who is who's brother I can tell you that. I personally doubt you will ever make a move but hey you asked for it you get it.
Something I cant really figure out quite yet is, what's that all about?, and why this message is spread? What's the purpose? Someone is trying to tell me that a person dies on the 29th around 6 am and is buried on the 30th? Throwing a suicide version into a round? South Korean national will not be buried in Qatar but transported back home and I'm quite sure it's a will of her parents. It takes at least couple of days time to go through all the formal procedures (such as issue of death certificate which can only be done after the autopsy) and the body must be transferred to the morgue for preservation.
It all doesn't make much sense to me, sorry.
Besides a suicide is an act of desperation or protest. Usually the deceased leaves a testimony. Let's see how far it will all go? Anyone who can help the parents please do so.
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Our wishes of condolences to this poor girl and her entire family.
Yes Black Stain, you're perfectly right. These girls, living and working far away from home at a very young age, should get the necessary support.
Once I had a discussion with a Japanese crew. She had been treated badly by her Indian CSD and came to the cockpit to find some moments of peace (yes, at that time "normal" CCs were still allowed in the cockpit). During our discussion she told us that after 6 months in Doha she had more and more of a hard time standing the pressure and humiliations by the company and the locals in Doha. Her moral had been brought down to below zero. But resigning wasn't an option for her before finishing 2 years of service. Cause if she resigned after 6 months only, she would be perceived as a looser back home (family, CV, her future career).
Maybe in Corea they have similar work ethics than in Japan? Anyways, we all know that once "the workforce" has arrived in Qatar, nobody cares. The locals just use and abuse.
Popey are you sure you live in Doha?
If yes, I think you're becoming the first expat ever to be wished a serious legal battle in this country! You might even get a letter of the National Human Rights Comittee of Qatar confirming your claim. But the same letter will strongly advise you not to take legal action against your company cause they assure you that the procedure would take a long time, be costly, it's outcome unsure and forged evidence might be used against you!
In case you live in, for example, Norway, I understand your quote. Should you really be living in the Middle East,well, in this case I think you're writing a lot of
Yes Black Stain, you're perfectly right. These girls, living and working far away from home at a very young age, should get the necessary support.
Once I had a discussion with a Japanese crew. She had been treated badly by her Indian CSD and came to the cockpit to find some moments of peace (yes, at that time "normal" CCs were still allowed in the cockpit). During our discussion she told us that after 6 months in Doha she had more and more of a hard time standing the pressure and humiliations by the company and the locals in Doha. Her moral had been brought down to below zero. But resigning wasn't an option for her before finishing 2 years of service. Cause if she resigned after 6 months only, she would be perceived as a looser back home (family, CV, her future career).
Maybe in Corea they have similar work ethics than in Japan? Anyways, we all know that once "the workforce" has arrived in Qatar, nobody cares. The locals just use and abuse.
Popey are you sure you live in Doha?
If yes, I think you're becoming the first expat ever to be wished a serious legal battle in this country! You might even get a letter of the National Human Rights Comittee of Qatar confirming your claim. But the same letter will strongly advise you not to take legal action against your company cause they assure you that the procedure would take a long time, be costly, it's outcome unsure and forged evidence might be used against you!
In case you live in, for example, Norway, I understand your quote. Should you really be living in the Middle East,well, in this case I think you're writing a lot of
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Obviously this thread has reached critical mass over the death of a South Korean female who had purportedly jumped from a fourth floor balcony.
Whether or not it was a suicide has not been established just yet; and if it was then we don't know the reasons, because it's pretty hard to get into people's minds. Love triangle? Family problems? Acute depression? Mental unbalance? Accidental slip over the railing? The fact that her occupation was that of a flying waitress for an airline could be coincidental.
Whether or not it was a suicide has not been established just yet; and if it was then we don't know the reasons, because it's pretty hard to get into people's minds. Love triangle? Family problems? Acute depression? Mental unbalance? Accidental slip over the railing? The fact that her occupation was that of a flying waitress for an airline could be coincidental.
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a330flyer, hmm here we go again, don't we!!! I tell you what big mouth, I'll issue a check of 10000 US $ to your lawyer in Doha provided you file a lawsuite to cover your costs, OK? Strange feeling overcomes me however that you never ever will dare to take any legal steps against QR. Why?, cause you got nothing on hand as well as our friend luvly. Stop pretending about your big plans to reformat QR and letters to emir and humanitarian council blah blah blah.... Forged evidence...? Is that your way out to keep the face? You are not that stupid, sorry...You know what I'm wasting my time....
P.S. I very much hope and expect the company to give full scale o support financially and otherwise to the parents to help them out.
Is that your way out to keep the face? You are not that stupid, sorry...You know what I'm wasting my time....P.S. I very much hope and expect the company to give full scale o support financially and otherwise to the parents to help them out.
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Guys. Guys. Guys. Please.
This whole thread is getting out of hand and is now subject to far too much speculation and dialogue which would be very stressful for the family, colleagues, friends and room-mates of the girl in question.
Please have some respect. Whatever happened and whatever her reasons for doing whatever she did, let's not tarnish her memory by having this public slanging match.
Family members flew-in from Korea to accompany their beloved daughter home on her last journey to her homeland. I am sure that this type of journey is one that none of you would ever hope to undertake for one of your family members.
Let's just leave it at that......................
This whole thread is getting out of hand and is now subject to far too much speculation and dialogue which would be very stressful for the family, colleagues, friends and room-mates of the girl in question.
Please have some respect. Whatever happened and whatever her reasons for doing whatever she did, let's not tarnish her memory by having this public slanging match.
Family members flew-in from Korea to accompany their beloved daughter home on her last journey to her homeland. I am sure that this type of journey is one that none of you would ever hope to undertake for one of your family members.
Let's just leave it at that......................
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First.... may she rest in peace, my deepest condolenses to her family and friends about their tragic loss
second what happened that day was sad day for all QR staff and lets not point fingers at anybody until there is evidence which proves of your accusations are true guys, remember its easy to blame anybody, and everybody is innocent until found guilty in the court of law.
second what happened that day was sad day for all QR staff and lets not point fingers at anybody until there is evidence which proves of your accusations are true guys, remember its easy to blame anybody, and everybody is innocent until found guilty in the court of law.
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Hurrah! Some sense prevails from the last two posts.
May she RIP. Condolences to all family, friends and colleagues. This is extremely sad indeed.
Popay, go away and leave us all alone. All you do is turn threads and posts into something well away from the original!
Cheers
HR
May she RIP. Condolences to all family, friends and colleagues. This is extremely sad indeed.
Popay, go away and leave us all alone. All you do is turn threads and posts into something well away from the original!
Cheers
HR
