View Poll Results: Would you join EK if you could turn the clock back?
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Would you join EK if you could turn the clock back?
Join Date: Feb 2006
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Never let the truth get in the way of a good story....
....White Knight, because your March roster consisted of very nearly two weeks of leave and a further four sick days that ran into said leave. In April you were on Reserve for the entire month and achieved only minimum days off plus a few days of Standby that you weren't called out on. And your May roster is nothing to boast about unless you happen to like night turnarounds to the far end of the subcontinent.
Excuse my apparent nosiness but on the same fleet (+340) I did 90-100 hrs in every month this year. Guess I'm doing your flying.
Excuse my apparent nosiness but on the same fleet (+340) I did 90-100 hrs in every month this year. Guess I'm doing your flying.
Join Date: Jul 2000
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Montencee - I wasn't actually boasting about my roster, just passing on FACTS.. Yes, generally reserve month means min days off and standbys. And no, I really dislike ANY turnarounds
Glad you're doing my flying - I did my share the last couple of years.....
Glad you're doing my flying - I did my share the last couple of years.....
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Rubbish, you were being economical with the truth so as to score points of wee one.
I'd be very happy to get $11,000 for a turnaround to the Canaries once a week, at night even. Care to tell us who you work for, wee one?
I'd be very happy to get $11,000 for a turnaround to the Canaries once a week, at night even. Care to tell us who you work for, wee one?
Join Date: Mar 2007
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My 2 cent's
Long Haul (UK) Charter = Best job in the world
Short Haul (uk) Charter =Worst job in the world
Long Haul Schedule = Good
Short Haul Schedule = Never done it, but didn't see the point spending 12hr's on an jet to end up where you started unless your bird is a playboy bunny or you just had a kid and need to be home every night. (No disrespect to the flat earthers)
Uk = great in the summer, **** in the winter
Dxb = reverse the above.
Please can everybody moan on prune so i don't have to listen to it at work.
Oh and EK FTL's are a joke! (Moan over)
Short Haul (uk) Charter =Worst job in the world
Long Haul Schedule = Good
Short Haul Schedule = Never done it, but didn't see the point spending 12hr's on an jet to end up where you started unless your bird is a playboy bunny or you just had a kid and need to be home every night. (No disrespect to the flat earthers)
Uk = great in the summer, **** in the winter
Dxb = reverse the above.
Please can everybody moan on prune so i don't have to listen to it at work.
Oh and EK FTL's are a joke! (Moan over)
Join Date: Apr 2005
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From a non pilot perspective
In EK for 4 years, not crew or FO but the gripes voiced here are genuine to varying degrees and effect all of EK.
Would I join if I knew then what I know now? Yes, as overall it's better here than back in UK but has, and is still, getting worse on many counts.
Why am I still here? As I say it's still better here than UK but I am actively looking into other regions for my next move which will not be back to Blighty. I feel I am better armed with lessons learned to evaluate any further move.
May be it will be OK once they finish building the damn place
Until then, smoke 'em of you got 'em
Would I join if I knew then what I know now? Yes, as overall it's better here than back in UK but has, and is still, getting worse on many counts.
Why am I still here? As I say it's still better here than UK but I am actively looking into other regions for my next move which will not be back to Blighty. I feel I am better armed with lessons learned to evaluate any further move.
May be it will be OK once they finish building the damn place
Until then, smoke 'em of you got 'em
Join Date: Sep 2003
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Dont know if its of interest but a colleague attended an open day recently.(no not me) He was told that there are about 20 DEC slots to fill then the policy is to be shelved.
Is this not good news for those waiting command. Just thought Id pass on the info, didnt want to start a new thread as its not really my bag.
Is this not good news for those waiting command. Just thought Id pass on the info, didnt want to start a new thread as its not really my bag.
Join Date: Feb 2007
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Join again? Maybe yes, maybe no. It's frustrating to see the road EK goes down. Voting with your feet is quite radical, with family. At least now we have a tiny little lever: Word has it that the first guy confronted with a LOSA inspector already refused. This is unprecedented for the LOSA team and s***** up some chiefs at EK as it does not flatter them. Keep up the good work pals, this is a rare occasion to show our disgust at some actions from above 
. At least i myself will also refuse, if concerned
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. At least i myself will also refuse, if concerned .
Join Date: Mar 2003
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Why would you refuse??? Curious
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Organisation in crisis?
Just wait until the 12 month totals start nudging 1000 and above and the fatigue-related ASRs skyrocket. The GCAA will suddenly alter their 'interpretation' of the CARs to reflect reality and guess what? EK will be short of 200 pilots overnight. THEN we will see an organisation in crisis!!
Just wait until the 12 month totals start nudging 1000 and above and the fatigue-related ASRs skyrocket. The GCAA will suddenly alter their 'interpretation' of the CARs to reflect reality and guess what? EK will be short of 200 pilots overnight. THEN we will see an organisation in crisis!!
Join Date: Feb 2007
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Why refuse SYB?
ruserious is spot on. Add to that the jump-seat interdiction. Why should i have a guy controlling me on this very jump-seat and if a collegue or my wife would like to travel on it, i would get the red card? Heard about the skipper who took someone on it in an emotional emergency? Talkin' about compassion by our company: they punished him with the removal of the profit share!
I agree that looking at the idea of LOSA a refusal is not very logic. Looking at what EK wanted and still would like to do with it, it's pure survival.
Apart from that, i'd like to see the majority refusing and EK taking that as the signal it represents: We disapprove of their managing style. Some walk in the absence of dialogue and cooperation, others will not (for the moment) for various reasons. But here at least we might pass on a message.
our organisational culture. Autocratic, paranoid and punitive.
I agree that looking at the idea of LOSA a refusal is not very logic. Looking at what EK wanted and still would like to do with it, it's pure survival.
Apart from that, i'd like to see the majority refusing and EK taking that as the signal it represents: We disapprove of their managing style. Some walk in the absence of dialogue and cooperation, others will not (for the moment) for various reasons. But here at least we might pass on a message.
Join Date: Oct 2000
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Change in terms
Am I the only one who has noticed a subtle change in the wording of the FCI regarding flight pay. Normally the EK lawyer types are onto these things like a heyena after a smelly bone. The original letter from AAR stated:
Introduction of hourly Flying Pay – Flying pay will be paid for all actual block hours commencing from “1 hour” up to the level of “Productivity Pay Threshold”
The FCI issued to ammend the FOM says:
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◊ Hourly Flying Pay is based on scheduled block hours and is applicable up to the thresholds detailed below.
Is this a typo or yet another subtlle "cost neutral" change. I defy anyone to be able to conduct JFK-HAM within the scheduled block time. Oh well wasn't going to but will just have to fly faster.
Introduction of hourly Flying Pay – Flying pay will be paid for all actual block hours commencing from “1 hour” up to the level of “Productivity Pay Threshold”
The FCI issued to ammend the FOM says:
• General
◊ Hourly Flying Pay is based on scheduled block hours and is applicable up to the thresholds detailed below.
Is this a typo or yet another subtlle "cost neutral" change. I defy anyone to be able to conduct JFK-HAM within the scheduled block time. Oh well wasn't going to but will just have to fly faster.
Join Date: Sep 2002
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A few days ago.
There was always going to be a conflict with flying hours based on ACTUAL and productivity based on scheduled. So they solved the problem in a manner most cost effective to the company...
I think the solution is to fly faster and f*** the cost index. I'm tired of being robbed by these w******s.
BTW my bright idea for the month - Halve the personnel numbers in HR.
There was always going to be a conflict with flying hours based on ACTUAL and productivity based on scheduled. So they solved the problem in a manner most cost effective to the company...
I think the solution is to fly faster and f*** the cost index. I'm tired of being robbed by these w******s.
BTW my bright idea for the month - Halve the personnel numbers in HR.
Join Date: Nov 2006
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Most of the drivers that I have had the pleasure to operate, enjoy EK - with some normal gripes and moans about the traffic, construction etc etc. Some who came here had very little choice e.g. Varig drivers who lost all off their pension fund. They did not have much of a choice- get a job and get one fast!
Some came here to operate new machines, fly a varied and exciting route structure, and to get away from a country rive with violence. I feel sorry for individuals from first world countries who were forced to come to the sandpit due to chapter 11, bankruptcies etc. Must be hell to work for EK when you do not want to be here, but are forced to work and stay here because of external factors.
I want to be here, I enjoy the aircraft, I enjoy the routes - and YES. I will come again!
Some came here to operate new machines, fly a varied and exciting route structure, and to get away from a country rive with violence. I feel sorry for individuals from first world countries who were forced to come to the sandpit due to chapter 11, bankruptcies etc. Must be hell to work for EK when you do not want to be here, but are forced to work and stay here because of external factors.
I want to be here, I enjoy the aircraft, I enjoy the routes - and YES. I will come again!
Join Date: Feb 2000
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Yes........ Having been amused and frustrated by some of the ramblings in this thread, my reasons for being content follow:
IMHO we are all running away from something, no one has a blissful life at home and one day decides to leave and relocate to the desert. I arrived looking to improve my job, lifestyle and income. All have been achieved in the first 5 years.
Yes it is only 5 years and my friends who have been here considerably longer, those that have not already left, are mostly looking for a way out. T&Cs have been reduced and far more importantly they have seen their lifestyle decline.
The roads are a death trap and will remain so despite a reduction in traffic jams as the new infrastructure comes on line.
With regard to the 1000 hour debate, sadly I expect that it may well be used as a target by the schedulers. However, that is irrelevant as a professional pilot I will work for the company to the best of my ability. If I deem that I am unable to work safely due to fatigue or any other reason then I will not go to work if I have done 500 hours or 1000.
The business has changed considerably over the last decade. My lifestyle and income could not be matched at home. That said, this will never be home and when I feel that the balance has changed I will look for something else. Unlike some on this thread, I do not mean to patronise or imbue others with having a less valuable viewpoint because of there country of birth. Residing in Dubai and working for EK is a personal choice. A choice that I am happy with at the moment.
IMHO we are all running away from something, no one has a blissful life at home and one day decides to leave and relocate to the desert. I arrived looking to improve my job, lifestyle and income. All have been achieved in the first 5 years.
Yes it is only 5 years and my friends who have been here considerably longer, those that have not already left, are mostly looking for a way out. T&Cs have been reduced and far more importantly they have seen their lifestyle decline.
The roads are a death trap and will remain so despite a reduction in traffic jams as the new infrastructure comes on line.
With regard to the 1000 hour debate, sadly I expect that it may well be used as a target by the schedulers. However, that is irrelevant as a professional pilot I will work for the company to the best of my ability. If I deem that I am unable to work safely due to fatigue or any other reason then I will not go to work if I have done 500 hours or 1000.
The business has changed considerably over the last decade. My lifestyle and income could not be matched at home. That said, this will never be home and when I feel that the balance has changed I will look for something else. Unlike some on this thread, I do not mean to patronise or imbue others with having a less valuable viewpoint because of there country of birth. Residing in Dubai and working for EK is a personal choice. A choice that I am happy with at the moment.
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IMHO we are all running away from something
T&Cs have been reduced
The roads are a death trap and will remain so despite a reduction in traffic jams as the new infrastructure comes on line.
With regard to the 1000 hour debate, sadly I expect that it may well be used as a target by the schedulers
My lifestyle and income could not be matched at home.