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145qrh,
You're saying that this guy was on the DC10 as a FO. In that case he does NOT meet the DEC criteria. No matter how much command you have had before, you must be a captain when joining EK in order to be eligible for DEC.
TangUniform,
I don't believe you... Actually, did you ever fly with that Zim DEC? As far as I know, he joined EK with only B747 classic and DC8. Never flew pax, never flew without a flight engineer, never seen a glass cockpit... I stand to be corrected though.
You know when the company is scr3w1ng up big time when they don't care about the requirements anymore.
Since about a year, we are advertising for DEC's with min 8000TT, while the FOM states the minimum is 10000TT!!
This whole DEC program is taking the airline down. Experienced FO's do not want to come anymore: their career path is to uncertain. A lot of the current EK FO's are disgusted by the way they have been treated and are looking for a way out. And although EK loves to patronize it's FO's, you still can't fly aircraft without them. But these things you won't find in the papers...
MR8
PS: Anyone success with the yanks blog??
You're saying that this guy was on the DC10 as a FO. In that case he does NOT meet the DEC criteria. No matter how much command you have had before, you must be a captain when joining EK in order to be eligible for DEC.
TangUniform,
And back to our NWA pilot. The company would not have hired him as a DEC without the requisite glass experience on the Boeing or Airbus, believe it.
You know when the company is scr3w1ng up big time when they don't care about the requirements anymore.
Since about a year, we are advertising for DEC's with min 8000TT, while the FOM states the minimum is 10000TT!!
This whole DEC program is taking the airline down. Experienced FO's do not want to come anymore: their career path is to uncertain. A lot of the current EK FO's are disgusted by the way they have been treated and are looking for a way out. And although EK loves to patronize it's FO's, you still can't fly aircraft without them. But these things you won't find in the papers...
MR8
PS: Anyone success with the yanks blog??
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Interesting figures here...
DC-9-10 90,700 lb (41,100 kg)
DC-9-21 98,000 lb (44,500 kg)
DC-9-30 110,000 lb (49,900 kg)
DC-9-40 114,000 lb (51,700 kg)
DC-9-50 121,000 lb (54,900 kg)
Max takeoff weight if you were wondering
DC-9-10 90,700 lb (41,100 kg)
DC-9-21 98,000 lb (44,500 kg)
DC-9-30 110,000 lb (49,900 kg)
DC-9-40 114,000 lb (51,700 kg)
DC-9-50 121,000 lb (54,900 kg)
Max takeoff weight if you were wondering
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With Jobs Scarce, U.S. Pilots Sign On At Foreign Airlines
By Susan Carey in Chicago, Bruce Stanley in Hong Kong, and John Larkin in Mumbai
Word Count: 1,959 | Companies Featured in This Article: US Airways, Cathay Pacific Airways, Singapore Airlines, Northwest Airlines, Japan Airlines, China Southern Airlines
Nearly two years ago, at age 51, Brian Murray took early retirement from US Airways. The pilot was outraged by the airline's termination of his pension plan and worried about his future with a carrier sliding toward bankruptcy court for the second time.
But Capt. Murray's flying career was far from over. Today he lives in Dubai and flies wide-body Airbus A330s for fast-growing Emirates Airlines, winging to exotic destinations in Europe, Africa and Asia. He's home more than he ever was at US Airways, and his total compensation package -- including health care, housing allowance, retirement plan and vacation ...
• THE FULL WSJ.com ARTICLE IS ONLY AVAILABLE TO SUBSCRIBERS.• IF YOU ARE ALREADY A SUBSCRIBER, PLEASE LOG IN AT THE TOP RIGHT OF THE PAGE.
I was emailed this from a friend flying heavy metal in the states asking if it was all true. Unfortunately you have to subscribe to read the full article. But I guess you can work out what its all about.
I had the pleasure of meeting a Kiwi EK HR type a little while ago. He went to great pains to explain to me how he use to be a pilot but found it not very challenging and decided to hand in his wings and go HR instead. He seemed quite confident that there are plenty of CRJ (and equivalent) pilots out there that are only too willing to fly for EK. When I mentioned that these were a bit different from the pilots that EK targeted in the past, he said it did not matter much as commands are expected to take 7 plus years now for new joiners.
By Susan Carey in Chicago, Bruce Stanley in Hong Kong, and John Larkin in Mumbai
Word Count: 1,959 | Companies Featured in This Article: US Airways, Cathay Pacific Airways, Singapore Airlines, Northwest Airlines, Japan Airlines, China Southern Airlines
Nearly two years ago, at age 51, Brian Murray took early retirement from US Airways. The pilot was outraged by the airline's termination of his pension plan and worried about his future with a carrier sliding toward bankruptcy court for the second time.
But Capt. Murray's flying career was far from over. Today he lives in Dubai and flies wide-body Airbus A330s for fast-growing Emirates Airlines, winging to exotic destinations in Europe, Africa and Asia. He's home more than he ever was at US Airways, and his total compensation package -- including health care, housing allowance, retirement plan and vacation ...
• THE FULL WSJ.com ARTICLE IS ONLY AVAILABLE TO SUBSCRIBERS.• IF YOU ARE ALREADY A SUBSCRIBER, PLEASE LOG IN AT THE TOP RIGHT OF THE PAGE.
I was emailed this from a friend flying heavy metal in the states asking if it was all true. Unfortunately you have to subscribe to read the full article. But I guess you can work out what its all about.
I had the pleasure of meeting a Kiwi EK HR type a little while ago. He went to great pains to explain to me how he use to be a pilot but found it not very challenging and decided to hand in his wings and go HR instead. He seemed quite confident that there are plenty of CRJ (and equivalent) pilots out there that are only too willing to fly for EK. When I mentioned that these were a bit different from the pilots that EK targeted in the past, he said it did not matter much as commands are expected to take 7 plus years now for new joiners.
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Full article featuring The Real Captain America still can be read online in full here
May 8, 2006
Pilots Needed: Travel Required
By Russ Niles, Newswriter, Editor
It may be the ultimate irony that airline pilots can easily find lucrative jobs -- as long as they're willing to travel. According to a recent report in The Wall Street Journal, American pilots are flying the coop on cash-starved, morale-depressed, pension-gutting domestic carriers and landing high-paying jobs in Singapore, Hong Kong and Dubai. Former U.S. Airways pilot Brian Murray now works for Emirates Airlines and says it's like returning to the Golden Age of aviation in the U.S. He told the Journal that pilots are "treated with respect in this part of the world. We're driven to work. We're put in four- and five-star hotels, on the concierge floors. Captains are treated as vice presidents of the organization." And there's no shortage of work.
Pilots Needed: Travel Required
By Russ Niles, Newswriter, Editor
It may be the ultimate irony that airline pilots can easily find lucrative jobs -- as long as they're willing to travel. According to a recent report in The Wall Street Journal, American pilots are flying the coop on cash-starved, morale-depressed, pension-gutting domestic carriers and landing high-paying jobs in Singapore, Hong Kong and Dubai. Former U.S. Airways pilot Brian Murray now works for Emirates Airlines and says it's like returning to the Golden Age of aviation in the U.S. He told the Journal that pilots are "treated with respect in this part of the world. We're driven to work. We're put in four- and five-star hotels, on the concierge floors. Captains are treated as vice presidents of the organization." And there's no shortage of work.
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Capt America
For Christ' s sake boys and girls, this subject is old news and I for one am sick of reading about it. Yes the man screwed the pooch. Get over it already and move on.
Now get back to the subject.
Now get back to the subject.
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The fact is that EK have taken the cheap, short term route to its crewing problem... a route which was unnecessary, which is divisive and will be more expensive in the long term... short term gain - long term pain.
Whether they like it or not the DEC policy has produced lower experience pilots than they intended to recruit. We wanted glass-intercontinental-heavy jet pilots but they are simply not what we have got primarily due to the price EK is prepared to pay.
It is a misguided policy that, in conjunction with others, has taken EK from a once admired long term primary career to a contingency/short term one... the resignation files confirm this.
Whether they like it or not the DEC policy has produced lower experience pilots than they intended to recruit. We wanted glass-intercontinental-heavy jet pilots but they are simply not what we have got primarily due to the price EK is prepared to pay.
It is a misguided policy that, in conjunction with others, has taken EK from a once admired long term primary career to a contingency/short term one... the resignation files confirm this.
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Told Ya
I had heard about this last year when I posted this.
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showpos...&postcount=219
It is an orchestrated campaign to drum up a bit of interest in the USA. To me it smacks of desparation. How sad that it has come to this.
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showpos...&postcount=219
It is an orchestrated campaign to drum up a bit of interest in the USA. To me it smacks of desparation. How sad that it has come to this.
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Nail on the 
Marooned. Exactly right. They will pay and it's showing in resignations and lack of decent recruits. It's now just a mish mash airline. Loyality is completely gone. Well done.
Marooned. Exactly right. They will pay and it's showing in resignations and lack of decent recruits. It's now just a mish mash airline. Loyality is completely gone. Well done.
