Etihad to Oz ?
Etihad to Oz ?
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From: Somewhere nice and warm
Yes it is true. It was mentioned in several Australian papers that EY now has rights for a daily service to Australia. I heard that they will start a non-stop SYD service within a few months using the A340-500.
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to oz and beyond!!
Goldstone,
I honestly know nothing about GF load factors or profitability on OZ routes and I understand the possible reason behind decision......, but Emirates are looking to add more daily Aus flights to all their destinations. Surely there is a reason for this? and EY being so close to Dubai, should in theory also be able to make a profit on the route.
Then, again, you never know........
Just wondering??
I honestly know nothing about GF load factors or profitability on OZ routes and I understand the possible reason behind decision......, but Emirates are looking to add more daily Aus flights to all their destinations. Surely there is a reason for this? and EY being so close to Dubai, should in theory also be able to make a profit on the route.
Then, again, you never know........
Just wondering??
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From: London
I know nothing of the economics of the Australia route, other than anecdotal feedback from friends/colleagues in the region, so I stand prepared to be shot down in flames!
The key seems to be the direct service. There is a significant market who will pay a premium for a direct service to the Middle-East (i.e. 1-stop to/from Europe) rather than an additional stop. The A340-500 obviously gives that ability. (I know a number of people who will NOT take the EK stopping service and will only book on the direct SYD-DXB sector).
Many other carriers require a 2-stop operation from Europe which presumably has 2 effects:
- Reduction in ticket prices compared with the "Premium" you can charge for the direct service.
- Unless there are fifth/sixth(???) freedom or codeshares in operation, then an operation via an additional stop often means a reduced load factor on some sectors. (i.e. Operating AUH-SIN-SYD would mean additional costs and reduced revenues if the SIN-SYD sector was not sold as a code-share or similar and therefore operated with lower load factor once the SIN-bound pax have disembarked.)
The key seems to be the direct service. There is a significant market who will pay a premium for a direct service to the Middle-East (i.e. 1-stop to/from Europe) rather than an additional stop. The A340-500 obviously gives that ability. (I know a number of people who will NOT take the EK stopping service and will only book on the direct SYD-DXB sector).
Many other carriers require a 2-stop operation from Europe which presumably has 2 effects:
- Reduction in ticket prices compared with the "Premium" you can charge for the direct service.
- Unless there are fifth/sixth(???) freedom or codeshares in operation, then an operation via an additional stop often means a reduced load factor on some sectors. (i.e. Operating AUH-SIN-SYD would mean additional costs and reduced revenues if the SIN-SYD sector was not sold as a code-share or similar and therefore operated with lower load factor once the SIN-bound pax have disembarked.)
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From: A house
Etihad will do well with the direct service, you only have to try and get on a direct flight from the sand pit to oz to know that unless you book well in advance you're not going to get a seat.
Good on EY
Good on EY
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From: Europe
Bit of a coup really to get daily 1st time of asking. Its very topical in OZ at the moment this whole protection of QF thing and the tourism minister has taken it to the top as the likes of EK and QR want to get more flights into OZ but get knocked back. This is hampering tourism growth.
QR have rights for 3 flight per week but won't entertain the route on anything else but daily. AAB must be really pissed off the new kids are in there with daily if they want it...
In Dec EY advertsied for Country manager postion in OZ paper but did not specify location (as they never do) - not sure if they have anyone in mind...
Profitablilty is not an issue for EY- its bums on seats and getting an AUG-SYD will help it fill its UK flights..
QR have rights for 3 flight per week but won't entertain the route on anything else but daily. AAB must be really pissed off the new kids are in there with daily if they want it...
In Dec EY advertsied for Country manager postion in OZ paper but did not specify location (as they never do) - not sure if they have anyone in mind...
Profitablilty is not an issue for EY- its bums on seats and getting an AUG-SYD will help it fill its UK flights..
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From: Sandpit
SYD
Bugger that, I'd rather have a long layover in Singgas (with SIA) than fly 14+hrs with no cabin service only to be stuffed arround at SY airhole as well as having to pay excess luggage premium to get home to BrisVegas (BNE).
At least all the AUH Lebs will be able to get direct flights home to Bankstown
Bugger that, I'd rather have a long layover in Singgas (with SIA) than fly 14+hrs with no cabin service only to be stuffed arround at SY airhole as well as having to pay excess luggage premium to get home to BrisVegas (BNE).At least all the AUH Lebs will be able to get direct flights home to Bankstown
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From: nz
Does anyone have a phone of fax number for there HR dept in AUH ?
Do you think they will consider crossing the Tasman to NZ ?
EKs flights are all full and with NZ looking at reducing flights and QF intoducing more flights with Jetstar maybe room for another full service carrier with connections through to europe.
Do you think they will consider crossing the Tasman to NZ ?
EKs flights are all full and with NZ looking at reducing flights and QF intoducing more flights with Jetstar maybe room for another full service carrier with connections through to europe.
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From: Near Iranian Border
Confirmation that CB (GF GM OZ) has resigned and will be heading to EY.
Also heard that the airport manager in Dublin has also resigned to go EY as airport manager SYD.
Also GF Sales Manager for KUL has already gone across to EY.
Rumour from the pink palace is that more senior resignations over the next 4 weeks, as more go over.
Also heard that the airport manager in Dublin has also resigned to go EY as airport manager SYD.
Also GF Sales Manager for KUL has already gone across to EY.
Rumour from the pink palace is that more senior resignations over the next 4 weeks, as more go over.
