What's the opinion on the EK 777 fleet transfers? (The Angelo & Felipe thread)
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MR8,
I can only repeat myself and say that is was posted here that EK is s**t and change contracts whenever they want, there were so many warnings on this website, but I guess listening is not one your strong sides.
I can only repeat myself and say that is was posted here that EK is s**t and change contracts whenever they want, there were so many warnings on this website, but I guess listening is not one your strong sides.
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GoreTex,
This is a rumour website. Wouldn't it be completely stupid to make a career choice by what's written here?
It's not that because I was warned before, that I can't fight for what's right. I like my lifestyle in DXB, it's very easy going for me. I don't like the company very much, but it's no good just to stay on the side and moan about it. I try to get opinions from colleagues, assess where the problems with this company are, and try to address them. When was the last time you wrote a letter to Ed or TCAS about things that bother you?
I appreciate that the result of my writing to management will be next to nothing, but at least it gives me peace at heart for trying. And maybe if more people would raise their voice, things would be done... maybe....
MR8
This is a rumour website. Wouldn't it be completely stupid to make a career choice by what's written here?
It's not that because I was warned before, that I can't fight for what's right. I like my lifestyle in DXB, it's very easy going for me. I don't like the company very much, but it's no good just to stay on the side and moan about it. I try to get opinions from colleagues, assess where the problems with this company are, and try to address them. When was the last time you wrote a letter to Ed or TCAS about things that bother you?
I appreciate that the result of my writing to management will be next to nothing, but at least it gives me peace at heart for trying. And maybe if more people would raise their voice, things would be done... maybe....
MR8
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The lack of a direct command transition on the 777 is especially painful in light of the fact that it was done once before and after the quoted gulf air incidence, of which relevance fails to compute. Two locals getting overwhelmed in a 320 over six years ago......hello? Not knowing sir....
Can't seem to understand the logic in any of the forementioned policy, other than of course, the cheapest way possible and with complete disregard for previous policy and a fair and reasonable process.
Take all the eligible FO's and upgrade in seniority with continued FO recruitment on both fleets, like every other airline in the modern world. Simple? Guess not...
Can't seem to understand the logic in any of the forementioned policy, other than of course, the cheapest way possible and with complete disregard for previous policy and a fair and reasonable process.
Take all the eligible FO's and upgrade in seniority with continued FO recruitment on both fleets, like every other airline in the modern world. Simple? Guess not...
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Normal Transition Upgrades ie. without some pathetic, utterly irrelevant 6 months as F/O will have to happen. In my earlier post I was saying that some of Flight Ops management see this, it's a case of waiting until the inevitability of this dawns on higher "management"
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MR8,
wrote enough letters to the TCAS and Ed, got in trouble for that had to see Abbas the other day for some brainwashing, with the effect that I decided to leave this circus.
Anyway a bit of research would have not hurt before joining EK, you obviously didn't enough especially after you were warned, EK will not get better as some of you still hope, just wait till they raise the 900 hr limit and the overtime threshold.
wrote enough letters to the TCAS and Ed, got in trouble for that had to see Abbas the other day for some brainwashing, with the effect that I decided to leave this circus.
Anyway a bit of research would have not hurt before joining EK, you obviously didn't enough especially after you were warned, EK will not get better as some of you still hope, just wait till they raise the 900 hr limit and the overtime threshold.
Well im going for the 777 even with the 6 months. At least its a certain command in 9 months , not 12 as you would also waste 3 months doing a seat swap as well staying on the A330.
The other thing that worries me is when the 380 comes it will happen quick and maybe unexpected so Decs will come to fill the 330 gaps and F/Os may not get released on schedule .
There is also a chance of the 6 month rule being dropped so im gonna take the risk , I think it is lower risk than staying on the Bus.
Heard many 777 Capts are looking at leaving in 07-08 so the 6 month rule may get squashed anyway.
The other thing that worries me is when the 380 comes it will happen quick and maybe unexpected so Decs will come to fill the 330 gaps and F/Os may not get released on schedule .
There is also a chance of the 6 month rule being dropped so im gonna take the risk , I think it is lower risk than staying on the Bus.
Heard many 777 Capts are looking at leaving in 07-08 so the 6 month rule may get squashed anyway.
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At least its a certain command in 9 months ?
Are you an optimist or just naive? While you will do your (minimum) 6 months RHS, there will be plenty of 777 FO and accelerated guys.
Then guess what, they will change the rules again...
it will happen quick and maybe unexpected so Decs will come to fill the 330 gaps and F/Os may not get released on schedule.
Quick and unexpected? That's the common excuse, but is it acceptable for normal people? We must be getting used to this disgusting policy.
Finally, I don't feel less capable than my collegue who has some LHS time.
I am getting so tired of this ...
Tired of this? On your first post? 
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Are you an optimist or just naive? While you will do your (minimum) 6 months RHS, there will be plenty of 777 FO and accelerated guys.
Then guess what, they will change the rules again...
it will happen quick and maybe unexpected so Decs will come to fill the 330 gaps and F/Os may not get released on schedule.
Quick and unexpected? That's the common excuse, but is it acceptable for normal people? We must be getting used to this disgusting policy.
Finally, I don't feel less capable than my collegue who has some LHS time.
I am getting so tired of this ...
Tired of this? On your first post? 4HP
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ahem....
Plenty of B777 F/O's? Why do you think they are moving A330 F/O's?
...and that would be plenty (hypothetically) of F/O's and accelerated F/O's that were junior to the A330 F/O....
It's a crystal ball so who knows, have to say though that your arguements are a little flawed.
Plenty of B777 F/O's? Why do you think they are moving A330 F/O's?
...and that would be plenty (hypothetically) of F/O's and accelerated F/O's that were junior to the A330 F/O....
It's a crystal ball so who knows, have to say though that your arguements are a little flawed.
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Consider once you even start the 777 course the clock doesn't start until your FLC, at least a few months after you start, then 6 months then a full command course. Count on a year after you start your course....however, the airbus music could stop for awhile and thier could be more delays with the 380. Almost like separate companies between fleets. Sad really...
With 777 deliveries till 2012 its a sure bet for a command in a year , im happy to try prove it.
I dont agree with it but it is the best option in my opinion.
I dont agree with it but it is the best option in my opinion.
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difficult decision...
As far as I understood, by volunteering, you just show INTEREST in a transition course. Nothing's in stone, so you can withdraw from this idea up to about 3 months before your course starts (Ed's FAQ).
The question will be at the time you HAVE to decide: "Will I make Capt on the airbus in the next 12 months?".
YES - Forget about the hassle of transition and 6 months right, and the upgrade on a fleet where you don't know any of the trainers etc etc...
NO - Start seriously considering the offer, as it will most probably advance your time to Command.
Even if you have a YES/NO/NOT SURE answer to the question, if you take the Boeing option, you will never waste more then a few months in worst case scenario. If you stay on the Airbus, who knows what happens next...
So in my opinion, I think it's good to volunteer, and take a decision once the course dates come closer.
This does, however, also have a sour taste to it. Although it seems better to volunteer for a transition, it might also send out a signal that we actually agree with the plan. This is absolutely not the case for me. Actually, by volunteering, it feels like bending over again and take the sh@fting once more, but this time actually asking for it...
What to do???
MR8
The question will be at the time you HAVE to decide: "Will I make Capt on the airbus in the next 12 months?".
YES - Forget about the hassle of transition and 6 months right, and the upgrade on a fleet where you don't know any of the trainers etc etc...
NO - Start seriously considering the offer, as it will most probably advance your time to Command.
Even if you have a YES/NO/NOT SURE answer to the question, if you take the Boeing option, you will never waste more then a few months in worst case scenario. If you stay on the Airbus, who knows what happens next...
So in my opinion, I think it's good to volunteer, and take a decision once the course dates come closer.
This does, however, also have a sour taste to it. Although it seems better to volunteer for a transition, it might also send out a signal that we actually agree with the plan. This is absolutely not the case for me. Actually, by volunteering, it feels like bending over again and take the sh@fting once more, but this time actually asking for it...
What to do???
MR8
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Spot on MR8. That's why the whole thing stinks. Evryone above you has the same option to pull out if the situation on the bus changes. All your calculations and considerations will be a jab in the air. It sounds great not having to commit, especially at EK, but this leaves the whole exercise to be as accurate as the RTA's road planning........
I just let it flow and it will still turn out the other way.
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I just let it flow and it will still turn out the other way.
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