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Wizo,
Read it again dude!! It says:-
It means a roster period is a month. 9 days off a month for six consecutive months and then 10 days off a month for the other 6 consecutive months.
9 days off in six months eh. That's 18 days off in Oz in a year. Sh*t, that means the Jet* boys dont have to pay Oz TAX. $150,000 a year TAX FREE.
Where do I sign up Wizo. ???
Read it again dude!! It says:-
9 designated days off in 6 roster periods
9 days off in six months eh. That's 18 days off in Oz in a year. Sh*t, that means the Jet* boys dont have to pay Oz TAX. $150,000 a year TAX FREE.
Where do I sign up Wizo. ???
RP,
That is not the interpretaion as I understand it. If that were so, why would there be the differention between "Designated" days off and "Rostered" days off? Why would they even mention the "Best endevours" re down route days off if days off at home were guarenteed?
I'm happy to be corrected by anyone with better inside knowledge, but if you're right RP, have you thought of applying?
That is not the interpretaion as I understand it. If that were so, why would there be the differention between "Designated" days off and "Rostered" days off? Why would they even mention the "Best endevours" re down route days off if days off at home were guarenteed?
I'm happy to be corrected by anyone with better inside knowledge, but if you're right RP, have you thought of applying?
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It is no different at EK. Days off downroute can be used to satisfy legal requirements i.e 1 day off in 7. But regardless of how many days off down route you have, you are still required to have a min of 7 days off at home in any given month and an average of 8 over a 3 month period.
I would wager that the J* deal turns out to be better than EK with regard to guaranteed days off at home.
I would wager that the J* deal turns out to be better than EK with regard to guaranteed days off at home.
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Vorschit,
As far as Jet Star goes.. Yes. Definately more nights at home because they very rarely (some bases never) do overnights. Thats one of the concepts of the low cost model.
As far as Jet Star International goes.. How badly management decides to exploit the enormous loop holes in an atrociously written contract remains to be seen.
9 days off at Jet Star International.. 8 days off at EK..
It six of one and half a dozen of the other really. Both outfits are (or will be) working their employees to the maximum they can. As I would also do if I was running a business.
The grass always appears greener.. If Jet Star is your next choice of employer because you are working too hard and you want to work less then thats one funky set of rose-coloured glasses you're wearing. No wonder the grass appears so green
As far as Jet Star goes.. Yes. Definately more nights at home because they very rarely (some bases never) do overnights. Thats one of the concepts of the low cost model.
As far as Jet Star International goes.. How badly management decides to exploit the enormous loop holes in an atrociously written contract remains to be seen.
9 days off at Jet Star International.. 8 days off at EK..
It six of one and half a dozen of the other really. Both outfits are (or will be) working their employees to the maximum they can. As I would also do if I was running a business.The grass always appears greener.. If Jet Star is your next choice of employer because you are working too hard and you want to work less then thats one funky set of rose-coloured glasses you're wearing. No wonder the grass appears so green
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Vorschit,
Mate be careful not to wager the house on it ok!
Having experienced LCC ops in Oz before, the grass may be greener than the desert.....but still unpaletable. Ausralian Workplace Agreements (inividual),or, Enterprise Bargaining Agreements (Collective as a group) ie, the contract you sign, will be exploited as the tool to gain a lot more through manipulative interpretation than what you thought you signed up for, it's the Qantas way of dealing with employees.
Good luck (sincerly) to those going, I know you needed a change, have enjoyed flying with most of you. You at least will get to see Oz again in daylight from the air!!!
Mate be careful not to wager the house on it ok!
Having experienced LCC ops in Oz before, the grass may be greener than the desert.....but still unpaletable. Ausralian Workplace Agreements (inividual),or, Enterprise Bargaining Agreements (Collective as a group) ie, the contract you sign, will be exploited as the tool to gain a lot more through manipulative interpretation than what you thought you signed up for, it's the Qantas way of dealing with employees.
Good luck (sincerly) to those going, I know you needed a change, have enjoyed flying with most of you. You at least will get to see Oz again in daylight from the air!!!
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Just saying that at the moment the deal (not talking lifestyle in country) in EK is a long way ahead of LCC in OZ.... or are you comparing the condits in Bolivia to it.....
Have you seen, READ, and understood the EBA that was offered?
If yes, then take it if you think it's that good, if not then what you say is a little lost in the mists of the andes. Course we all know you don't really come from there hey!
Have you seen, READ, and understood the EBA that was offered?
If yes, then take it if you think it's that good, if not then what you say is a little lost in the mists of the andes. Course we all know you don't really come from there hey!
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To all those heading downunder, the very best for the future. It has been a pleasure to fly and have known you in the pit. I do envy you in many ways and wish I had the opportunity to join you. I was part of a new airline and it was exciting, frustrating, disorganised & tiring but never boring. Take care and keep us posted on life in Jetstar. 
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Sorry Watchdog, you are out of line here. You either don't know what life is like in the sandpit, you were not qualified enough to gain direct entry to a left seat job on the A330 or just to even qualify at all. We are not here to judge what the future holds for the experienced EK captains joining Jetstar as they are all senior pilots and probably not too concerned with the salary anyway. As a senior pilot here at EK myself, not too many things shock us anymore so I think we are all over the shock treatment etc! Get a life Watchdog and let us see what these guys think, not what you believe will happen. 
fatigue,
actually I have a very nice life thank you. Obviously I struck a nerve eh? A little bit nervous about the move are we? Let me just say...been there done that. You'll see
actually I have a very nice life thank you. Obviously I struck a nerve eh? A little bit nervous about the move are we? Let me just say...been there done that. You'll see
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Watchdog, no I am not nervous as I am staying in the pit. Not a lot out there on offer I'm afraid. Since you have been there, done that....maybe you could enlighten us on some of the good and bad points. Remember money is not an issue with many of the guys going to Jetstar. Hope you are indeed having a nice life then
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Its always nice to work in ones own country
If money is no problem..why not? I would like to one day go back and work in my country if conditions are ok and i have lotsa money!! Enjoy guys!! Good luck! (its always better than the sandpit)
If money is no problem..why not? I would like to one day go back and work in my country if conditions are ok and i have lotsa money!! Enjoy guys!! Good luck! (its always better than the sandpit)
fatigue,
have to agree there isn't much on offer there unless you are working for mainline. J* is a typical LCC for sure. Very much "DIY" from a Pilot's perspective. A good business for th QF group no doubt.
There is plenty to read on the Pprune D&G reporting points for those considering the move.
have to agree there isn't much on offer there unless you are working for mainline. J* is a typical LCC for sure. Very much "DIY" from a Pilot's perspective. A good business for th QF group no doubt.
There is plenty to read on the Pprune D&G reporting points for those considering the move.
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Days off.
For those still undecided.
Keep in mind that JetStar int. is in part replacing the Qantas low cost Asian carrier that was based in Singapore.
Take a close look at the Qf route network and the frequency of ops around Asia then factor the days of work versus days off. You will definately, spend more time away from home than at home. If they use the days off away from home clause then it could be get nasty. Even Qf is bad enough, jetstar will be worse, unless they use the 330 on domestic routes as well.
Goodluck with it guys, hope it works out for you.
Keep in mind that JetStar int. is in part replacing the Qantas low cost Asian carrier that was based in Singapore.
Take a close look at the Qf route network and the frequency of ops around Asia then factor the days of work versus days off. You will definately, spend more time away from home than at home. If they use the days off away from home clause then it could be get nasty. Even Qf is bad enough, jetstar will be worse, unless they use the 330 on domestic routes as well.
Goodluck with it guys, hope it works out for you.
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There may have been 20 hired, but the last rumour was about 12 who accepted the offer and some of them still unsure. Most of these guys are simply fed up with the middle east and after recent events you can understand why. The only incentive for them is that they will be returning to Australia. In order to do that they are willing to aacept the crap that Jq are offering them. There are hundreds of very experienced Captains and F/os over here, many ex QF, Australian(TAA) and AN guys who would jump at the opportunity to return home if the terms and conditions were good. They are not so we will not. While Jq t&c s remain as they are they will only get the guys who are desperate to leave. All of these guys are very experienced and will be good for Jq but I can't help thinking that few of them will stick around if something better ever comes up.
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