About Time There Is An India Forum
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Those days are over of 1000+ Cpls sitting at home, DGCA just dropped basic CPL 250hrs requirment down to 200hrs. There are just ne more pilots left in India.
All the corp a/c's are grounded as most of the pilots left to join airlines, Jet Airways ATR fleet is grounded as well.
So pilots are needed either from local pool or xpats, and such a fourm will help all.
All the corp a/c's are grounded as most of the pilots left to join airlines, Jet Airways ATR fleet is grounded as well.
So pilots are needed either from local pool or xpats, and such a fourm will help all.
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regarding pilot shortage in india
talking about shortage of pilots well it is a very bad situation now.
Many aspiring pilots are left in the lure as many flying clubs in india have lost their CFIs to the airlines.So without any CFIs no flying be done.And jet airways atr fleet is grounded as many of them wanted to move to the big jets and jet instead of promoting them within the fleet started recruiting new people into the 737 fleet hence most of the guys left them to join Kingfisher airlines on the A320.And besides kf has struck a good deal with airbus to train the pilots for free along with the a/c they buy.9 set(1capt &1 f/0) per a/c being trained.and dgca is implementing short term strategies to temporarily cushion the shortage effect but these wont work in the long term:-
First they increase the pilot retirement age to 61 from 60 i heard a rumour that they are going to again increase it to 62 in september.
Then they reduce the cfi hour requirement from 3000 hrs to 2500hrs
And then pl reduced to 200 from 250
Well very desperate moves from dgca
And people inspite of the shortage all the airlines are only allowed to recruit Captains and not expat f/os that too on contract basis
Oh by talking about shortage i deviated from the topic.Please moderators can we have an sub-continent forum.Please consider starting one for the benefit of pilots from the sub-continent countries.My vote is for a new froum for the subontinent
Many aspiring pilots are left in the lure as many flying clubs in india have lost their CFIs to the airlines.So without any CFIs no flying be done.And jet airways atr fleet is grounded as many of them wanted to move to the big jets and jet instead of promoting them within the fleet started recruiting new people into the 737 fleet hence most of the guys left them to join Kingfisher airlines on the A320.And besides kf has struck a good deal with airbus to train the pilots for free along with the a/c they buy.9 set(1capt &1 f/0) per a/c being trained.and dgca is implementing short term strategies to temporarily cushion the shortage effect but these wont work in the long term:-
First they increase the pilot retirement age to 61 from 60 i heard a rumour that they are going to again increase it to 62 in september.
Then they reduce the cfi hour requirement from 3000 hrs to 2500hrs
And then pl reduced to 200 from 250
Well very desperate moves from dgca
And people inspite of the shortage all the airlines are only allowed to recruit Captains and not expat f/os that too on contract basis
Oh by talking about shortage i deviated from the topic.Please moderators can we have an sub-continent forum.Please consider starting one for the benefit of pilots from the sub-continent countries.My vote is for a new froum for the subontinent
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Namaste, Vanakkam, etc etc ....
There's plenty of Indian pilots overseas (FO capacity) , all willing to fly in India but are faced with the dreadful conversion.
It still takes over 6 months to convert a CPL. ATPL maybe a bit quicker for the swim is not with many people in the pool.
Is it posiible for the operator's to recruit Indian's on an expat basis which'll allow them to fly with a neighbouring issued licence and qual's ?
Is DGCA going to do anything about getting real with this conversion business and retune the bearuecracy to fit the current World ? Still a lot of hocus pocus going on behind the doors too !! to get all this done quickly (hmmmmm.....)
ATR's grounded by Jet and a lot of Corp's (KingAir's, Biz Jets and such) due shortage of crew is a bit sad really. Are these private org's allowed to recruit expats for their Biz machines on the contract basis ?! If so they won't hanve much trouble getting drivers from neighbouring countries...for the right price ofcourse and with proper advertisement in the appropriate local media.
On the otherhand it seems a bit naughty on the operators for siphoning crew among each other aey'. Hmmm, could be the crew themself leaving for the grass on the other side.
My two cents worth... or was it paise worth
BTW..... my vote for an Indian Forum. Let the Games Begin !!
Does Proxy Voting count aswell
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There's plenty of Indian pilots overseas (FO capacity) , all willing to fly in India but are faced with the dreadful conversion.
It still takes over 6 months to convert a CPL. ATPL maybe a bit quicker for the swim is not with many people in the pool.
Is it posiible for the operator's to recruit Indian's on an expat basis which'll allow them to fly with a neighbouring issued licence and qual's ?
Is DGCA going to do anything about getting real with this conversion business and retune the bearuecracy to fit the current World ? Still a lot of hocus pocus going on behind the doors too !! to get all this done quickly (hmmmmm.....)
ATR's grounded by Jet and a lot of Corp's (KingAir's, Biz Jets and such) due shortage of crew is a bit sad really. Are these private org's allowed to recruit expats for their Biz machines on the contract basis ?! If so they won't hanve much trouble getting drivers from neighbouring countries...for the right price ofcourse and with proper advertisement in the appropriate local media.
On the otherhand it seems a bit naughty on the operators for siphoning crew among each other aey'. Hmmm, could be the crew themself leaving for the grass on the other side.
My two cents worth... or was it paise worth
BTW..... my vote for an Indian Forum. Let the Games Begin !!
Does Proxy Voting count aswell
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HF RT
Yes ,
It will be just like HF RT, where Pilots and people in aviation in the favour of the Indian Subcontinent Forum will reach from FAR across the continents all over the world, thereby having to use HF as VHF falls just a wee bit short, of Range.
You need keen ears to listen to HF-RT and it kinda keeps you more alert on a routine day!! And hey Have you forgotten the SELCAL...Helps passing the info to the right people without others being stepped upon!
And Smoothie, I do agree with the fact that the Indian DGCA must have a fast track process or atleast a TRANSPARENT procedure to enable rated, type-rated pilots with Indian Passports to help the country in this swift expansion phase...
Also, I would love to be a CFI while being an Airline Pilot. Its been a while since I've done some steep turns ( >45 deg ) and MCA Flights on the 152/172/kingair's etc...
Cheers
It will be just like HF RT, where Pilots and people in aviation in the favour of the Indian Subcontinent Forum will reach from FAR across the continents all over the world, thereby having to use HF as VHF falls just a wee bit short, of Range.
You need keen ears to listen to HF-RT and it kinda keeps you more alert on a routine day!! And hey Have you forgotten the SELCAL...Helps passing the info to the right people without others being stepped upon!
And Smoothie, I do agree with the fact that the Indian DGCA must have a fast track process or atleast a TRANSPARENT procedure to enable rated, type-rated pilots with Indian Passports to help the country in this swift expansion phase...
Also, I would love to be a CFI while being an Airline Pilot. Its been a while since I've done some steep turns ( >45 deg ) and MCA Flights on the 152/172/kingair's etc...
Cheers
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the problem is most "professional" airline pilots I've spoken to in India aren't aware of this site & what it has to offer.
It would be nice to have our forum ...all the spice(no pun intended) re. payscales, duty hours,hiring and general condition of the airlines need a place to be discussed....
in the meantime ...let the good times continue, that's all I can say, it's been long overdue...
It would be nice to have our forum ...all the spice(no pun intended) re. payscales, duty hours,hiring and general condition of the airlines need a place to be discussed....
in the meantime ...let the good times continue, that's all I can say, it's been long overdue...
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Hey Mav, glad you enjoy HF... maybe we should pair up to fly together.
Alas, not just the oceanic much of the land airspace is also out of VHF range due to the lack of transmitters. No lack of land to erect them on, just lack of interest in installing them.
But luckily HF is so much fun. Can't wait for my next pleasurable hours spent listening to strident calls, on top of each other and endless repeats of information back and forth.......... waiting to get a call in on HF as I watch the lights of some city pass below.
Alas, not just the oceanic much of the land airspace is also out of VHF range due to the lack of transmitters. No lack of land to erect them on, just lack of interest in installing them.
But luckily HF is so much fun. Can't wait for my next pleasurable hours spent listening to strident calls, on top of each other and endless repeats of information back and forth.......... waiting to get a call in on HF as I watch the lights of some city pass below.
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hi guys,
yeah u got my vote all the way from africa i am a local tanzanian who would love to get t5o know fellow indian pilots
keep it up there fellows,
no more 406pilot
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yeah u got my vote all the way from africa i am a local tanzanian who would love to get t5o know fellow indian pilots
keep it up there fellows,
no more 406pilot
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Very true lot of local Indian pilots dont know of this website, but then thats a breed of its own.
There has been " rumours" lot of Indian EK, QR and the lot want to come back to India now that the going is good with Jet & Sahara..... the only thing holds them back is THE DGCA.
"Rumours" are Kingfisher might "sell the idea" of permanent xpat pilots to the Indian govt very soon. As there have been permanent xpat pilots on the UB groups corp jet fleet since a while now.
Dont think you can escape Mr. 406 with your Africa accsent if you come for an interview to India with that kind of attitude
I'll be watching 
There has been " rumours" lot of Indian EK, QR and the lot want to come back to India now that the going is good with Jet & Sahara..... the only thing holds them back is THE DGCA.
"Rumours" are Kingfisher might "sell the idea" of permanent xpat pilots to the Indian govt very soon. As there have been permanent xpat pilots on the UB groups corp jet fleet since a while now.
Dont think you can escape Mr. 406 with your Africa accsent if you come for an interview to India with that kind of attitude
I'll be watching
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hi ppl
Hey we all agree there should be a sub continent forum.what about the moderators they havent posted yet on what they think or what they intend to do about it.Moderators we are all anxiously waiting for ur response
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We've decided to outsource and are looking at options in the Bangalore area right now.
Other than that no change and if there is a change it would be to create an overall 'asia' forum. Not enough traffic to justify anything else I'm afraid.
Setting up an alternative site is both easy and free if you are determined enough. It's only when you're large, very busy and suffering constant growth pains that economics comes into the decision making.
Regards
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Other than that no change and if there is a change it would be to create an overall 'asia' forum. Not enough traffic to justify anything else I'm afraid.
Setting up an alternative site is both easy and free if you are determined enough. It's only when you're large, very busy and suffering constant growth pains that economics comes into the decision making.
Regards
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WoW !
Pilots treating other Pilots like they are just numbers not people, hmmmm seems like no one is strong enough to with stand the power of managment over low life line pilots who are trying to make their lives better and live a more informed life hence make better career moves. Be it in Asia or where ever.
Comfortably numb to the pain now !
Pilots treating other Pilots like they are just numbers not people, hmmmm seems like no one is strong enough to with stand the power of managment over low life line pilots who are trying to make their lives better and live a more informed life hence make better career moves. Be it in Asia or where ever.
Comfortably numb to the pain now !
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yeah asia forum makes more sense...lets go(maruti santro)
no offence meant to left wing, no african attitude either my friend only friendly joke..hope you take it lightly on the interview...
keep it up there fellows,
no more 406pilot(watchin 2 much tv)
no offence meant to left wing, no african attitude either my friend only friendly joke..hope you take it lightly on the interview...
keep it up there fellows,
no more 406pilot(watchin 2 much tv)
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When you say Asia you cover not only the East but also the South, Central, West and other parts that fall in Russia.
'Far East & Indian Subcontinent' or 'Far East & South Asia' would have been a much better title.
'Far East & Indian Subcontinent' or 'Far East & South Asia' would have been a much better title.
