Emirates Meeting On 18th
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Emirates Meeting On 18th
Just found out from a local Pilot that there is going to be a meeting held at training college on 18th April, 1100-1300. VP Engineering/operations will be there and all Pilots are welcome....providing you're a UAE National! Is this something new? Perhaps they will be asked to join the rest of us in the provident fund instead of only 15 years service before they 'retire' on 75% final salary pension.Just think of the savings to be had with that.......now,where's my 'bright ideas' form? 
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Nothing to get too worked up about.
In the interest of keeping up good moral, the National pilots are just being briefed to be discreet about their 25% salary increase as the Expat pilots will not unfortunately qualify for it.
In the interest of keeping up good moral, the National pilots are just being briefed to be discreet about their 25% salary increase as the Expat pilots will not unfortunately qualify for it.
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An update from a local "with connections"
Meeting on the 18th with Al retard for locals to be told to keep quiet about their 25% payrise as expats to get NOTHING !!!
keep discovering !!!
Meeting on the 18th with Al retard for locals to be told to keep quiet about their 25% payrise as expats to get NOTHING !!!
keep discovering !!!
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Can't believe that locals would get 25% and expats nothing.. Sounds like a windup to me, or the local just taking the piss and you taking it serious...
Anyhow, sorry for you guys at Crew Control, but this effoh is not available for the 'nice trips available' on my days off... Not untill there is some communication about DEC's and Factoring. I don't care if it's Europcar or EK or the maintenance guy of my building who's driving me to the airport.. it's time for TCAS to 'bust' some important rumours.. or is he affraid that when they get honest, 20% of the F/O's will go back to their previous company, and no new guys will come in??
What about the rumour that only 2 out of 8 showed up for the last 777 course?
MR8
Anyhow, sorry for you guys at Crew Control, but this effoh is not available for the 'nice trips available' on my days off... Not untill there is some communication about DEC's and Factoring. I don't care if it's Europcar or EK or the maintenance guy of my building who's driving me to the airport.. it's time for TCAS to 'bust' some important rumours.. or is he affraid that when they get honest, 20% of the F/O's will go back to their previous company, and no new guys will come in??
What about the rumour that only 2 out of 8 showed up for the last 777 course?
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Well, if this is true I will be off to Abu Dhabi in a flash 
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My missus has already approved my plans, enough of bending over
. The difference in pension plans between expats and locals is also bizarre, but different pay adjustments would be too much. After all, if the pay is changed, it's going to have to be a whole lot to actually be considered a rise.
I am so glad I didn't buy one of them crusty concrete blocks out in the desert. PHHEEEW!
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.My missus has already approved my plans, enough of bending over
. The difference in pension plans between expats and locals is also bizarre, but different pay adjustments would be too much. After all, if the pay is changed, it's going to have to be a whole lot to actually be considered a rise.I am so glad I didn't buy one of them crusty concrete blocks out in the desert. PHHEEEW!
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Unrealistic! just a wind up mail! Think they get more than us anyway. I dont really mind. Wish we did the same back home.
Anyone to confirm that 7 nationals are leaving for Etihad?
Anyone to confirm that 7 nationals are leaving for Etihad?
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Move to AD? Well, I reckon you can bend over there as well, only to be shafted by a different 
The only way to avoid being taken up ur over here is to pretend incompetence and thus become eligable for a management position.. 
MR8
The only way to avoid being taken up ur
over here is to pretend incompetence and thus become eligable for a management position.. MR8
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Hay
just to let you know they are 4 auh guys going accross the road to EY .
And for everyone else this meeting is been held yearly for the locals if you don't already know
I don't know you how long you guys been here but in last meeting FOR LOCAlS ONLY they ask for a PAY rais
but tey've been ASK TO S**T UP
and maybe it's time for the unhappy pepole to leave EK and find some other job
I.E levae the nice house all the insurnces the car that pick you up and the 50% disc you all get for the EPC
just to let you know they are 4 auh guys going accross the road to EY .
And for everyone else this meeting is been held yearly for the locals if you don't already know
I don't know you how long you guys been here but in last meeting FOR LOCAlS ONLY they ask for a PAY rais but tey've been ASK TO S**T UP and maybe it's time for the unhappy pepole to leave EK and find some other job I.E levae the nice house all the insurnces the car that pick you up and the 50% disc you all get for the EPC
I think Speed Alt* has it right. Forget pay and conditions. Think we need to start advertising the fact that we get to live in houses, get driven to work, and can join a pilot organised club to get discounts!! Reckon it will rise from the famous 20 to 25 suckers per day to over 30!!!
Makes living with poor pay, and working conditions seem insignificant really.
Next time you are feeling a bit weary in the car on the way home, after a dawn landing, after the all nighter flight from hell, pull out your EPC card and revive in the glow of knowing that when you get a day off you will be able to get a good discount at the pub.
All makes sense now.
Don
Makes living with poor pay, and working conditions seem insignificant really.
Next time you are feeling a bit weary in the car on the way home, after a dawn landing, after the all nighter flight from hell, pull out your EPC card and revive in the glow of knowing that when you get a day off you will be able to get a good discount at the pub.
All makes sense now.
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Hey Don, let me say congrats for being able to translate speed alt's rant. Well done! And I agree with you. I'll now treasure that EPC card even more (wasn't the EPC started by expats)? And the next time my family or myself is nearly wiped out by a Land Cruiser with blacked out windows (won't have to wait long for that), I'll have a warm fuzzy feeling knowing that one of those EK insurnces (sic) will pay my hospital bills or death benefits!
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maybe you have been slaved around by EK for a bit and that's what i'm talking about why not find another JOB if it is so bad here and you've been a bat for some time you need to get your act togather it's either over time or quilty off life you don't need to be sucker no 25 if EPC not giving you what you like HMMMMM let me thing eat in 5 stars hotel and pay nothing or get every where free or with special price
next time you go to work take your own car so when you get back from your nighter you will enjoy the ride back home . BE safe
Believe Brother
why do you want you family to use the insu this way Iknow that EPC been done by EXPATS and i'm sure they made it in a way that the EXPATS will get the best out of it 
or you don't agree with me? i tell you what if the medical is so S**T and you're still using it maybe you should go back home where it's better
take it easy
maybe you have been slaved around by EK for a bit and that's what i'm talking about why not find another JOB
if it is so bad here and you've been a bat for some time you need to get your act togather it's either over time or quilty off life you don't need to be sucker no 25 if EPC not giving you what you like HMMMMM let me thing eat in 5 stars hotel and pay nothing or get every where free or with special price next time you go to work take your own car so when you get back from your nighter you will enjoy the ride back home . BE safeBelieve Brother
why do you want you family to use the insu this way
Iknow that EPC been done by EXPATS and i'm sure they made it in a way that the EXPATS will get the best out of it or you don't agree with me? i tell you what if the medical is so S**T and you're still using it maybe you should go back home where it's better take it easy
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Speed Alt*.
I appreciate english is not your mother tongue,but your rant is virtually unreadable,try lying down in a dark room,for a few minutes,before posting,you will make more sense,than at present.
Don and BB are entitled to their opinion,as are you,so take it easy,and by the way,I think we could ALL gain from the feedback at the UAE meeting,and why it si being held.
Good luck to the 5 going over the road,to EY,if the "deal" at EK fails to deliver,to each and every INDIVIDUAL pilot,then each of us can vote with our feet.
As have 11 this last week,including the 5 from AD.
Im off to the pub,with my EPC card.
QB
I appreciate english is not your mother tongue,but your rant is virtually unreadable,try lying down in a dark room,for a few minutes,before posting,you will make more sense,than at present.
Don and BB are entitled to their opinion,as are you,so take it easy,and by the way,I think we could ALL gain from the feedback at the UAE meeting,and why it si being held.
Good luck to the 5 going over the road,to EY,if the "deal" at EK fails to deliver,to each and every INDIVIDUAL pilot,then each of us can vote with our feet.
As have 11 this last week,including the 5 from AD.
Im off to the pub,with my EPC card.
QB
Speedie,
I have nothing bad at all to say about EPC. It is a great thing, and the effort put into it by its founders and runners is understated. It is however not part of this famous EK package, that we are told about. It is a extra, by the pilots for the pilots. I do not think any discount offered by this club should be used instead of a pay rise, but maybe you have different ideas? I would be very interested to find out.
And no I have no problem with the car to work. Its a great idea. I also like my ALT, medical coverage and all the other stuff that was offered when I signed the contract.
I am sure that you have even noticed that the working environment around EK has changed quite a bit over the past few years. Yes it has grown a whole lot bigger, and yes this does cause problems. But really isn't a management team paid to deal with this in a professional manner? I think the way the rostering, pay, upgrades etc have been handled recently has done a lot of harm to manager vs pilot relations. Seems the phrase, team building, has not been understood by those in office.
I am sorry Speedie but I think it is sad to watch a once great job decline into just another job in such a short time period.
Don
I have nothing bad at all to say about EPC. It is a great thing, and the effort put into it by its founders and runners is understated. It is however not part of this famous EK package, that we are told about. It is a extra, by the pilots for the pilots. I do not think any discount offered by this club should be used instead of a pay rise, but maybe you have different ideas? I would be very interested to find out.
And no I have no problem with the car to work. Its a great idea. I also like my ALT, medical coverage and all the other stuff that was offered when I signed the contract.
I am sure that you have even noticed that the working environment around EK has changed quite a bit over the past few years. Yes it has grown a whole lot bigger, and yes this does cause problems. But really isn't a management team paid to deal with this in a professional manner? I think the way the rostering, pay, upgrades etc have been handled recently has done a lot of harm to manager vs pilot relations. Seems the phrase, team building, has not been understood by those in office.
I am sorry Speedie but I think it is sad to watch a once great job decline into just another job in such a short time period.
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Speed Alt*,
I think you are missing the point. The issue is not the EPC which is a great organization run by pilots for pilots. Nor is it the food on board or the pick up by a car. Emirates has been advertising for good quality pilots, engineers etc saying that they are an employer of choice, and employer for lifetime able and willing to be above average and caring and commited to the development and wellbeing of its assets, its people. You do not have to take my word for it, watch the great DVD they pass around or read the interviews the bosses give to varoius magazines around the world. They have recruited all this talent, created high expectations, and now they are not delivering the promissed behaviour or the promissed caring and proactive management they said they would be practising. It is not our fault that we are upset, they recruited the wrong type of people if they wanted us to sit down and shut up. If they wanted to be average they should have recruited average guys, then there would be no problem. You cannot expect though in any free market that you will hire above average work force, expect above average performance and then provide below average behaviour. It is not just the money issue, it is their complete disregard for what they have signed. My contract has changed in the last two years so many times without my concent, but always to "my benefit" or at most "cost neutral for the company" which is a joke. Every time they find a problem they have created, they solve it by changing the rules. A five year old can do that.
We all came here because we were promissed the world, we were promissed to be part of a great aviation comapny in its making. We all realize that we are here to help Dubai achieve its dreams but we are not slaves, nor are we only here for them. We bring in our talents, provide hard work and expect not only a decent salary for the inconvenience of leaving home but also good working conditions. I am not afraid of hard work, I have done my fair share in EZ, but at least it was legal and regulated. Here we have been flying upto 150 hours unfactorized which is not only unsustainable hard work, it is also ilegal and dangerous. But hey if you think about it is in our interest both in the short term and in the long term. The great management team have realized that if you are always working you do not have the time to spend your money thus a pairise not needed, and if you die early because of all this hard work you do not need to worry about retirement and old age. See it is in "our benefit again."
Management raised the total hours required for a command upgrade from 4000 to 6000 they raised the hours for the accelerate command from 6000 to 8000 all in the name of safety, but yet seem not to care about fatigue and its safety implications.
We are all working here in detriment to our future, both for our health and financial. Those of us who realize that a nice lifstyle on the beach through the EPC is not enough are starting to vote with our feet. We all have choices, it just takes effort on our part. You can either wait around for crums from EK or you can do something about it.
The end of April is just around the corner and we shall see what the future holds for us. Anything less than 18% increase in pay (3% a year and 15% announced by the government) would be a joke, and 7-8 weeks of profit share is what they should give us as next year's increase in salaries should be reflected in next years profit share and not this one's. If have been around enough though to realize that this will not happen and although I was at Trader Vick's last night I am still sobber enough to realize fantasy from reality.
EPC has no discount at Trader's though so I did not benefit from any great discounts.....
Keep Discovering
By the way I was speaking to one of the guys in the know regarding no shows and he said that out of the 34 pilots who have not shown up for their 777 course 14 were from Malaysia. It is not just the Europeans who are not coming, it is also good sensible people from other regions around the world who can see the truth behind the lines.
Off to work again..
I think you are missing the point. The issue is not the EPC which is a great organization run by pilots for pilots. Nor is it the food on board or the pick up by a car. Emirates has been advertising for good quality pilots, engineers etc saying that they are an employer of choice, and employer for lifetime able and willing to be above average and caring and commited to the development and wellbeing of its assets, its people. You do not have to take my word for it, watch the great DVD they pass around or read the interviews the bosses give to varoius magazines around the world. They have recruited all this talent, created high expectations, and now they are not delivering the promissed behaviour or the promissed caring and proactive management they said they would be practising. It is not our fault that we are upset, they recruited the wrong type of people if they wanted us to sit down and shut up. If they wanted to be average they should have recruited average guys, then there would be no problem. You cannot expect though in any free market that you will hire above average work force, expect above average performance and then provide below average behaviour. It is not just the money issue, it is their complete disregard for what they have signed. My contract has changed in the last two years so many times without my concent, but always to "my benefit" or at most "cost neutral for the company" which is a joke. Every time they find a problem they have created, they solve it by changing the rules. A five year old can do that.
We all came here because we were promissed the world, we were promissed to be part of a great aviation comapny in its making. We all realize that we are here to help Dubai achieve its dreams but we are not slaves, nor are we only here for them. We bring in our talents, provide hard work and expect not only a decent salary for the inconvenience of leaving home but also good working conditions. I am not afraid of hard work, I have done my fair share in EZ, but at least it was legal and regulated. Here we have been flying upto 150 hours unfactorized which is not only unsustainable hard work, it is also ilegal and dangerous. But hey if you think about it is in our interest both in the short term and in the long term. The great management team have realized that if you are always working you do not have the time to spend your money thus a pairise not needed, and if you die early because of all this hard work you do not need to worry about retirement and old age. See it is in "our benefit again."
Management raised the total hours required for a command upgrade from 4000 to 6000 they raised the hours for the accelerate command from 6000 to 8000 all in the name of safety, but yet seem not to care about fatigue and its safety implications.
We are all working here in detriment to our future, both for our health and financial. Those of us who realize that a nice lifstyle on the beach through the EPC is not enough are starting to vote with our feet. We all have choices, it just takes effort on our part. You can either wait around for crums from EK or you can do something about it.
The end of April is just around the corner and we shall see what the future holds for us. Anything less than 18% increase in pay (3% a year and 15% announced by the government) would be a joke, and 7-8 weeks of profit share is what they should give us as next year's increase in salaries should be reflected in next years profit share and not this one's. If have been around enough though to realize that this will not happen and although I was at Trader Vick's last night I am still sobber enough to realize fantasy from reality.
EPC has no discount at Trader's though so I did not benefit from any great discounts.....
Keep Discovering
By the way I was speaking to one of the guys in the know regarding no shows and he said that out of the 34 pilots who have not shown up for their 777 course 14 were from Malaysia. It is not just the Europeans who are not coming, it is also good sensible people from other regions around the world who can see the truth behind the lines.
Off to work again..
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Good post...
Hire guys with get up and go, and guess what? If they're treated with the contempt shown, they get up and go. Add to the 'no shows' 45 resignations (fig from HR) and others timing departure post profit share, then EK have problems, serious problems, problems that won't be factored away.
Good post...
Hire guys with get up and go, and guess what? If they're treated with the contempt shown, they get up and go. Add to the 'no shows' 45 resignations (fig from HR) and others timing departure post profit share, then EK have problems, serious problems, problems that won't be factored away.
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Regarding the Malaysians - there was an article I think in Gulf News about Malaysian looking at giving their pilots a "significant" payrise... that'll certainly sway a few of them