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I can only imagine that crewlounge is refering to a different type of "Bush" and a different type of "Widebodies"..... but regardless he definetly needs psychiatric evaluation....... for the rest of his thoughts...
I have been reading the posts with interest and what is interesting to see is that people who do not work for Emirates, or who do work for Emirates for a short time, know all the answers, the rest of us are searching for....
Emirates is an OK employer, nothing to write back home about, but definetly not terrible (at present) but heading towards that direction.
We do have issues that are very important, and unfortunatly will not get resolved because there is no Union. Fatigue is one thing as Emirates is in uncharted territory in this area regarding ultra long haul ops, salaries and inflation in Dubai is another big issue, clarity of intentions and communication is another issue, for us FOs on the airbus who are coming up to the 3 year mark promotion is a big issue of course, and overall direction and commitment to long term stability is another issue.
Some might say that 3 years is a short time to command for a widebody aircraft, but let us not forget that most of us who have joined Emirates have atleast 10 years commercial aviation experience with previous operators.
I think that the future only holds much of the same, empty promisses, and aslong as new pilots are joining they will still believe that this is the year we all get the 30% increase that the Shake realy wants to give us but his bad management does not, and that the augmenting will be dealt with properly, and that there will be respect of the contracts they have signed. What we will get this year is the standard increment, probably two weeks profit share and flying our asses off until we drop dead.... or move to greaner pastures... There are options for everyone should we want to move on, but some times though I would like to tell them to shove it up there ass I know I need to be patient and move back home in my time and not their time.
I have been reading the posts with interest and what is interesting to see is that people who do not work for Emirates, or who do work for Emirates for a short time, know all the answers, the rest of us are searching for....
Emirates is an OK employer, nothing to write back home about, but definetly not terrible (at present) but heading towards that direction.
We do have issues that are very important, and unfortunatly will not get resolved because there is no Union. Fatigue is one thing as Emirates is in uncharted territory in this area regarding ultra long haul ops, salaries and inflation in Dubai is another big issue, clarity of intentions and communication is another issue, for us FOs on the airbus who are coming up to the 3 year mark promotion is a big issue of course, and overall direction and commitment to long term stability is another issue.
Some might say that 3 years is a short time to command for a widebody aircraft, but let us not forget that most of us who have joined Emirates have atleast 10 years commercial aviation experience with previous operators.
I think that the future only holds much of the same, empty promisses, and aslong as new pilots are joining they will still believe that this is the year we all get the 30% increase that the Shake realy wants to give us but his bad management does not, and that the augmenting will be dealt with properly, and that there will be respect of the contracts they have signed. What we will get this year is the standard increment, probably two weeks profit share and flying our asses off until we drop dead.... or move to greaner pastures... There are options for everyone should we want to move on, but some times though I would like to tell them to shove it up there ass I know I need to be patient and move back home in my time and not their time.
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Thank You all. This time I got some constructive answers. Ofcourse at the end it always ends to a personal humiliation between the writers, but at least I got very many FACTS about EK. I have been offered job twice now....to join you guys. Let's see. T&C's are obviously the largest issue here. I understand that EK has a rolling bidding system (if it works?) How many hours a normal line pilot works in a month (avarage of the period of 3 months)? More than in any similar company?
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Just had a squint at my log book.
Last 3 months 283hrs, with a weeks leave and a missed trip due to sickness.
Last 6 months:503hrs, with two weeks leave additional to the week above.
Once these have been 'factored' they probably equate to about 180 and 380 respectively towards the annual hourly limit.
Don't forget that the two days of pre-sim ground school and the two days in the sim aren't credited as duty now either.
Yet another roster with over 90 hours for April as well and rumours of an annual extension to 1000hrs (factored I would assume) is doing the rounds at the moment.
Keep discovering!!!
Last 3 months 283hrs, with a weeks leave and a missed trip due to sickness.
Last 6 months:503hrs, with two weeks leave additional to the week above.
Once these have been 'factored' they probably equate to about 180 and 380 respectively towards the annual hourly limit.
Don't forget that the two days of pre-sim ground school and the two days in the sim aren't credited as duty now either.
Yet another roster with over 90 hours for April as well and rumours of an annual extension to 1000hrs (factored I would assume) is doing the rounds at the moment.
Keep discovering!!!
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It is not just the flight time that we must look, it is also the fact that we fly on the back side of the clock, and the fact that we fly through many time zones. How many times have you not come back from a long flight with 12 hours minimum rest, to go out again on another long flight on the back side of the clock? We are all geniunly tired and concerned about where we are headed... It is with great surprise to most of us, that our management although familiar with the problem, although inundated with asrs on the matter seem not to care.... As checksix has already said corporate manslaughter lawsuits will be coming our way.....
On a more optimistic side, since they do not have the time to upgrade FOs to Captains if required to increase their levels of captains we will see many more DECs coming, and many more FOs leaving...
Keep Discovering
On a more optimistic side, since they do not have the time to upgrade FOs to Captains if required to increase their levels of captains we will see many more DECs coming, and many more FOs leaving...
Keep Discovering
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Arrrghhh...
jou arr jost aa bonch of lazzy pilots! Go back to work and stop wasting time on the internet!!!
Anyhow, just got word from two friends that rejected interview invitations from EK. One commuter pilot from a US airline and one big jet pilot from a big Asian carrier. EK even offered one of them to cover his fare to come for an F/O interview...new practice?? One of them just did not like the salary; the other one did not like the idea of not being able to commute and having to sign a training bond...when asked why he even bothered to apply, they got irritated when he stated he was just testing the market for jobs....market forces, yes, yes, yes...
Not a big deal, I guess, in a pool of thousands, but I am sure our dear friends VVV, BM and/or CL would offer fantastic explanations for such occurrences... and no, no insult intended, as those 3 do a wonderful job at themselves...
jou arr jost aa bonch of lazzy pilots! Go back to work and stop wasting time on the internet!!!
Anyhow, just got word from two friends that rejected interview invitations from EK. One commuter pilot from a US airline and one big jet pilot from a big Asian carrier. EK even offered one of them to cover his fare to come for an F/O interview...new practice?? One of them just did not like the salary; the other one did not like the idea of not being able to commute and having to sign a training bond...when asked why he even bothered to apply, they got irritated when he stated he was just testing the market for jobs....market forces, yes, yes, yes...
Not a big deal, I guess, in a pool of thousands, but I am sure our dear friends VVV, BM and/or CL would offer fantastic explanations for such occurrences... and no, no insult intended, as those 3 do a wonderful job at themselves...
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I cannot understand why the company would act so desperately in order to get someone to attend an interview. Pay for his ticket? Surely not! Especially when we have 25 pilots a day applying to join Emirates.
And just had a look at my logbook too, 108 block hours this month and covered four continents. From NZ to the US the long way round!
And just had a look at my logbook too, 108 block hours this month and covered four continents. From NZ to the US the long way round!
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I have heard (and this really is only a rumour!) that when guys do turn up for interview they are now told that the compnay will still provide housing but they have to pay their own utilities. Can anybody confirm or deny this?
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Pay for your own utilities, reduction in school fees, reduced housing allowance and more restriction on the medical insurance. Which rumour do you want?
Believe the facts not the tittle tattle. No change to the utilities.
Believe the facts not the tittle tattle. No change to the utilities.
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Shake your balls
Shake,
You just made my day. Looks like I hit the jackpot.
You must be one of those white bushman.... I was refering to in my earlier mail........thank you.
Pls look at the recruitment now. Well they just sack the guy who hired u. Seems he keep a stack of fully rated and qualified guys info under his desk and hired i***ts like you.
Just make sure u better keep that insurance low. Dont get another incident in South Africa.
Ciao.
You just made my day. Looks like I hit the jackpot.
You must be one of those white bushman.... I was refering to in my earlier mail........thank you.
Pls look at the recruitment now. Well they just sack the guy who hired u. Seems he keep a stack of fully rated and qualified guys info under his desk and hired i***ts like you.
Just make sure u better keep that insurance low. Dont get another incident in South Africa.
Ciao.
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GLOBALISATION
Yes, I think I am not picking on anyone here.
It's what is true and what has happened over the past few years. The whole truth and nothing but the truth.
I think although we are in a better world now with globalisation and even as I speak, discrimination is still happening everywhere around the world.
Just to quote you an example in the aviation world:
1) JAA/ UK Licence are a type of discrimination. Where is the logic behind it. You do not test a guy based on his abilities nor based it on his tonnes of experience flying round the globe
but just on the fantastic rules behind your so called licencing requirements and totally make it impossible for a non UK/EU person to apply a licence or ... a pilot job vacancy.
THEY CALLED IT JAA LICENCE.
Mind you I have not even mentioned about interview....yet.
It just shuts you off even though you have all the fly by wire experience, type ratings or and even trained by Boeing.
2) In the neutral ground ....................................................middle east, korea, singapore and taiwan...where it is fair and where they will test you on your ability with a sim check, english mastery test and a nice interview, it shud turn out fine. A guy with enough experience pitted against another... fair and square.
BUT UNFORTUNATELY IN EK , due to someone with race orientation/ with strong racism...fairness did not happen.
And that my friends.... is the white bushman story.
Glad I heard that it's better now.
It's what is true and what has happened over the past few years. The whole truth and nothing but the truth.
I think although we are in a better world now with globalisation and even as I speak, discrimination is still happening everywhere around the world.
Just to quote you an example in the aviation world:
1) JAA/ UK Licence are a type of discrimination. Where is the logic behind it. You do not test a guy based on his abilities nor based it on his tonnes of experience flying round the globe
but just on the fantastic rules behind your so called licencing requirements and totally make it impossible for a non UK/EU person to apply a licence or ... a pilot job vacancy.
THEY CALLED IT JAA LICENCE.
Mind you I have not even mentioned about interview....yet.
It just shuts you off even though you have all the fly by wire experience, type ratings or and even trained by Boeing.
2) In the neutral ground ....................................................middle east, korea, singapore and taiwan...where it is fair and where they will test you on your ability with a sim check, english mastery test and a nice interview, it shud turn out fine. A guy with enough experience pitted against another... fair and square.
BUT UNFORTUNATELY IN EK , due to someone with race orientation/ with strong racism...fairness did not happen.
And that my friends.... is the white bushman story.
Glad I heard that it's better now.
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I have enjoyed your previous posts because I find you ignorance and incoherence mildly amusing however your last cannot go without comment. I suspect you were merely fishing for a response with your post as it is an entirely inappropriate thread on which to raise the issues as you have. If you had a serious issue to raise perhaps you could have started a separate thread, maybe entitled “White Bushmen taking over the world” or similar.
If you are trying to incite a race debate amongst the forum readership then apart from possibly a few ignorant hicks you are unlikely to get far. I am sure that the moderators have a beady eye on where you are going with this sort of thing so I will leave it to them.
My real suspicion is that either you or one of your ”mates” has not been successful in the Emirates recruitment process and as a way of saving face and possibly cover his inadequacies has chosen to claim fraud, racism bias and unfairness. Not everyone is successful in every interview they attend during the course of their lives or careers. Some people are extremely good at what they do however are unsuitable for the job for a plethora of other reasons. The prospective employer would in many cases be doing the candidate a disservice by employing him as he would soon realize that he was unsuitable for the job and become disgruntled and disaffected.
As I don’t possess a JAA/UK ATPL I am unqualified to comment on its exclusivity however Emirates has published very clearly on its website that the license requirement for flight crew is an I.C.A.O. recognized ATPL. To insinuate that candidates are vetted on grounds of license origin is ludicrous as is testimony in the pilot workforce at EK with 80 plus nationalities on the flight deck with origins ranging from Aruba to Zululand.
If you or your mate didn’t make it then tough. Face it like a man instead of trying to hide behind some perceived racial issue. If you think that equality exists in quote <korea, singapore and taiwan...> may I suggest that you or your friend try out a spell of employment in such havens of tranquillity. Perhaps only then your view of global Utopia will get an injection of reality.
Finally a comment on another of your statements quote:
< A guy with enough experience pitted against another... fair and square>
I am sure that it was made abundantly clear at the beginning of the EK assessment that there were jobs for all candidates if they were found suitable and that there was no competition for places. If the airline was able to employ everyone who applied then there would be no need for the screening process.
Perhaps a little self reflection will reveal a number of clues as to why people fail.
I have enjoyed your previous posts because I find you ignorance and incoherence mildly amusing however your last cannot go without comment. I suspect you were merely fishing for a response with your post as it is an entirely inappropriate thread on which to raise the issues as you have. If you had a serious issue to raise perhaps you could have started a separate thread, maybe entitled “White Bushmen taking over the world” or similar.
If you are trying to incite a race debate amongst the forum readership then apart from possibly a few ignorant hicks you are unlikely to get far. I am sure that the moderators have a beady eye on where you are going with this sort of thing so I will leave it to them.
My real suspicion is that either you or one of your ”mates” has not been successful in the Emirates recruitment process and as a way of saving face and possibly cover his inadequacies has chosen to claim fraud, racism bias and unfairness. Not everyone is successful in every interview they attend during the course of their lives or careers. Some people are extremely good at what they do however are unsuitable for the job for a plethora of other reasons. The prospective employer would in many cases be doing the candidate a disservice by employing him as he would soon realize that he was unsuitable for the job and become disgruntled and disaffected.
As I don’t possess a JAA/UK ATPL I am unqualified to comment on its exclusivity however Emirates has published very clearly on its website that the license requirement for flight crew is an I.C.A.O. recognized ATPL. To insinuate that candidates are vetted on grounds of license origin is ludicrous as is testimony in the pilot workforce at EK with 80 plus nationalities on the flight deck with origins ranging from Aruba to Zululand.
If you or your mate didn’t make it then tough. Face it like a man instead of trying to hide behind some perceived racial issue. If you think that equality exists in quote <korea, singapore and taiwan...> may I suggest that you or your friend try out a spell of employment in such havens of tranquillity. Perhaps only then your view of global Utopia will get an injection of reality.
Finally a comment on another of your statements quote:
< A guy with enough experience pitted against another... fair and square>
I am sure that it was made abundantly clear at the beginning of the EK assessment that there were jobs for all candidates if they were found suitable and that there was no competition for places. If the airline was able to employ everyone who applied then there would be no need for the screening process.
Perhaps a little self reflection will reveal a number of clues as to why people fail.
