FO Salary at EK
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FO Salary at EK
Thinking of applying. The starting salary is 17,010. Are there any other allowances.
Also what is it like. Good fun. Best fleet/Worst fleet. Are they recruiting at the minute (me 4300TT 2000hrs jet and 1000hrs Dash 8). Time to get invited to Dubai for selection if I meet the minima?
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Also what is it like. Good fun. Best fleet/Worst fleet. Are they recruiting at the minute (me 4300TT 2000hrs jet and 1000hrs Dash 8). Time to get invited to Dubai for selection if I meet the minima?
Any other help welcolmed?
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Allowances down route are just enough to cover costs down route. All discounts offered by hotels taken out of allowances before you get them. Forget about saving any unless you like Pot Noodles and crap TV.
Fun? Longest night stop Dhaka (Bangladesh) perhaps Jakata occasionally. Mauritius/Seychelles 12 hours, great fun! The rest 24 hours or less. So maybe a chance to save some of those allowances after all.
Fleet: Modern. 777/330 no proper rest facilities so you will be spending a long time in the driving seat...piles of fun.
17,100 Dhms = approx £2410.00 = $4,700 US...hasn't changed in REAL terms for years and has in FACT devalued with the $ (over 25% net in the last 3 years...not EKs problem apparently but it WILL be yours). Time to command 5-7 years maybe...T&Cs will change and have effected this in the past. DECs still possible and will directly effect your command prospects.
Bond? There is one liable for the first 3 years, however, if they change T&Cs during your stay...no bond (keep original signed contract & see lawyer).
With 4000 hours, 2000 jet; yes you meet the minima and yes they are recruiting but surely you could do better than EK?
Fun? Longest night stop Dhaka (Bangladesh) perhaps Jakata occasionally. Mauritius/Seychelles 12 hours, great fun! The rest 24 hours or less. So maybe a chance to save some of those allowances after all.
Fleet: Modern. 777/330 no proper rest facilities so you will be spending a long time in the driving seat...piles of fun.
17,100 Dhms = approx £2410.00 = $4,700 US...hasn't changed in REAL terms for years and has in FACT devalued with the $ (over 25% net in the last 3 years...not EKs problem apparently but it WILL be yours). Time to command 5-7 years maybe...T&Cs will change and have effected this in the past. DECs still possible and will directly effect your command prospects.
Bond? There is one liable for the first 3 years, however, if they change T&Cs during your stay...no bond (keep original signed contract & see lawyer).
With 4000 hours, 2000 jet; yes you meet the minima and yes they are recruiting but surely you could do better than EK?
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The US dollar is killing the package and they don't seem to appreciate rapid inflation in Dubai. Cost of living increases long overdue and not 1-2%, more like 10-15%.
How about waiting until the 25th of the previous month for next months roster.......Airbus. Very sub-par. No manual changes whatsoever......
This could be a great thing, and has been but they are quickly falling behind.
How about waiting until the 25th of the previous month for next months roster.......Airbus. Very sub-par. No manual changes whatsoever......
This could be a great thing, and has been but they are quickly falling behind.
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In an unofficial survey (I just asked everyone I flew with) 80% of all pilots are unhappy and will be looking for something soon if the package here does not improve.
Why are they all not on here complaining? Because they are too busy and also too frightenened to say anything here.
Why are they all not on here complaining? Because they are too busy and also too frightenened to say anything here.
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Jeez Pinny you're persistent that's for sure. Don't worry about these other blokes, they don't mention the good stuff.....like the sun shines..apparently that's why we're all here....
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The bond? Ah, that must be the continually changing pact I signed with Lucifer, that permits a red hot poker to be shoved up my Jacksie; without complaint. Ooh, and the small print that says 'I will not complain, moan, bemoan or decry said such poker'
Ah well, it'll sort me 'Mike Riles' out......
Ah well, it'll sort me 'Mike Riles' out......
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i came here because at that time (2000) it was much better than my previous job and ek sounded like paradise.
in all it is still ok, even though most of the guys i fly with are upset and demoralised.
but i believe for pilots in general that does not take much.
if ek would have left the package as it was, i for my part had nothing to complain about.
but they did not and we just see paradise turning into the place we previously left, without having the chance of going to court or effectively fighting for our original contracts.
(maybe one could go to court here in dubai, but we have this fear/doubt, it might harm us more or it would not do any good.
this might be very well true or is just our perception of things, but who is going to find out first?)
i´d be probably stupid enough.
yes, the salary is very much improvable, (mainly because of the weakening dollar), but housing is good and many of us take the opportunity to make use of the housing allowance to buy property, which turns out, so far, to be a very good move.
this putting us in a slot, where one actually settles in dubai, so making a move more difficult.
in all, if the current package ek is offering, is better than your existing, come by all means, i agree time to command in my opinion would be now at least 5 years.
but be prepared that this package will be opened and played around with.
in all it is still ok, even though most of the guys i fly with are upset and demoralised.
but i believe for pilots in general that does not take much.
if ek would have left the package as it was, i for my part had nothing to complain about.
but they did not and we just see paradise turning into the place we previously left, without having the chance of going to court or effectively fighting for our original contracts.
(maybe one could go to court here in dubai, but we have this fear/doubt, it might harm us more or it would not do any good.
this might be very well true or is just our perception of things, but who is going to find out first?)
i´d be probably stupid enough.
yes, the salary is very much improvable, (mainly because of the weakening dollar), but housing is good and many of us take the opportunity to make use of the housing allowance to buy property, which turns out, so far, to be a very good move.
this putting us in a slot, where one actually settles in dubai, so making a move more difficult.
in all, if the current package ek is offering, is better than your existing, come by all means, i agree time to command in my opinion would be now at least 5 years.
but be prepared that this package will be opened and played around with.
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Emirates...moan moan moan.God you guys are lucky. I fly a 737 in the UK and after tax i only clear £3500 a month with quiet winters where i'm forced to go and ski and lie on beaches.A new contract i'm going on this winter is only going to add 1500pounds after tax and the tight bastarbs are going to pay the hotel and car hire. On top of that i have to have 3 days off between trips, for skiing or jumpseating to the carib.Bastarbs. Just as i thought it couldnt get worse they gave me a sweetner to expedite my departure, god knows what i'm to do with that extra 2.5 grand, in lieu. I hate charter in the Uk because it rains and the schools are pants. The real nail in the coffin...I only have £2500 disposable income after all my bills are paid. I hate this job, it must be a reflection of my worth in the industry that i have to put up with this and fly a little airliner.
Gosh i so wish i could be an expat pilot in the gulf. Big airplanes quick commands endorsed on widely respected Dubai licences, validated or converted from everywhere that is respected in licencing such a cosmopoltan atmosphere must make work such fun.Not to mention cameraderie. Not having to worry about the house you dont own must be a relief.Not having to discuss your t/c s with your employer must kep the stress levels right down, why not let them worry about it, they must be qualified surely they're expats, the cream of the worlds management. Getting to sit i the cockpit nearly every day all year must be fun, especially as there is a beach and petrol is cheap.The lure of having a tax free salary is great.It must be so useful to have a huge amount of your salary in "kind" like a tower block flat or a sandy villa wthout the stress of ownership i mentioned . Are Emirates recruiting does anyone know, how do i join?
Can i give up more of my salary for medical cover, and do my teeth have to be perfect before i come, so i dont actually need to visit the dentist. So many questions, so few answers. Can anyone help??White Knight where are you when I need you
Gosh i so wish i could be an expat pilot in the gulf. Big airplanes quick commands endorsed on widely respected Dubai licences, validated or converted from everywhere that is respected in licencing such a cosmopoltan atmosphere must make work such fun.Not to mention cameraderie. Not having to worry about the house you dont own must be a relief.Not having to discuss your t/c s with your employer must kep the stress levels right down, why not let them worry about it, they must be qualified surely they're expats, the cream of the worlds management. Getting to sit i the cockpit nearly every day all year must be fun, especially as there is a beach and petrol is cheap.The lure of having a tax free salary is great.It must be so useful to have a huge amount of your salary in "kind" like a tower block flat or a sandy villa wthout the stress of ownership i mentioned . Are Emirates recruiting does anyone know, how do i join?
Can i give up more of my salary for medical cover, and do my teeth have to be perfect before i come, so i dont actually need to visit the dentist. So many questions, so few answers. Can anyone help??White Knight where are you when I need you
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This may be of interest to those thinking they will come to EK and leave and not pay the bond...gottcha.
Todays Khaleej Times
Expats will require permit to travel out of country on leave
By Nada S. Mussallam
26 January 2005
ABU DHABI — Expatriates working in UAE will have to obtain a permit to travel out of the country on leave, under a change proposed in the relevant rules.
“Expatriates working in the country, who intend to go on leave, will have to obtain a temporary travel permit jointly sanctioned by the Ministry of Labour and the Ministry of Interior,” Dr Ali Abdulla Al Kaabi, the Minister of Labour and Social Affairs, told ‘Khaleej Times’ here yesterday.
Todays Khaleej Times
Expats will require permit to travel out of country on leave
By Nada S. Mussallam
26 January 2005
ABU DHABI — Expatriates working in UAE will have to obtain a permit to travel out of the country on leave, under a change proposed in the relevant rules.
“Expatriates working in the country, who intend to go on leave, will have to obtain a temporary travel permit jointly sanctioned by the Ministry of Labour and the Ministry of Interior,” Dr Ali Abdulla Al Kaabi, the Minister of Labour and Social Affairs, told ‘Khaleej Times’ here yesterday.
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You lucky lucky lucky bastarbs. I wish i had to do something like that . A permit to leave must make leave planing so much easier. But why would you want to come home anyway. Its no good alledgedly, crap weather, home ownership, crap schools, freedom of speech, crap public services,citizen rights,crap immigrants, freedom of travel,crap crime, equal justice system, crap beaches, lots of other things to do, crap hookers, lots of normal girls. the list is endless.
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If they do that I will leave. No hesitation, no looking back.
I sincerely hope this is a rumour with no basis. Otherwise we might as well be across the border in KSA, except there the salaries are higher! Of course you run the risk of being abducted on the way to work...
What a retrograde step this would be for Dubai. Is it Abu Dhabi's way of reigning in it's successful cousin?
I sincerely hope this is a rumour with no basis. Otherwise we might as well be across the border in KSA, except there the salaries are higher! Of course you run the risk of being abducted on the way to work...
What a retrograde step this would be for Dubai. Is it Abu Dhabi's way of reigning in it's successful cousin?
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Hi,
bluewater, surely this can't be true. What happens if you decide the sandpit is not for you and have an interview for a european airline, do you have to have a permit. Even worse, if a member of the family suddenly past away, can't be much fun trying to get a permit then.
I think this would reduce the number of applicants to EK - A380 or no A380!!!
bluewater, surely this can't be true. What happens if you decide the sandpit is not for you and have an interview for a european airline, do you have to have a permit. Even worse, if a member of the family suddenly past away, can't be much fun trying to get a permit then.
I think this would reduce the number of applicants to EK - A380 or no A380!!!