Emirates to Canada aka Mach No. Protocols aka ATC handover issues
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Emitates to Canada
Hello Chaps;
Does anyone know if Emirates are planning any direct flights to Canada in the near future. And, if so, to which cities?
I wouldn't have asked, but I just found out that they are going Dubai - JFK, so Canada should also be reachable, no?
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Does anyone know if Emirates are planning any direct flights to Canada in the near future. And, if so, to which cities?
I wouldn't have asked, but I just found out that they are going Dubai - JFK, so Canada should also be reachable, no?
Thanks
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Actually, Toronto is in the near-term works. I heard it may even be as soon as the end of this year. Certainly by next year. Vancouver is on the network map if you look at the website, but I don't think it'll be until 2006.
Interestly, it's about 15 hours to YYZ and only 15.5 to YVR...
Interestly, it's about 15 hours to YYZ and only 15.5 to YVR...
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Fair enough, I hadn't heard or read that anywhere, I was going on the article from the gulf news.
Emirates aims for other US cities
New York | By Duraid Al Baik, UAE Editor | 04/06/2004 | Print this page
Emirates airline plans to spread its wings quickly in the potential-rich US market by starting non-stop flights to San Francisco, Houston and Washington DC.
The airline has just entered an elite club that flies to five continents after launching non-stop flights to New York this week.
With this, Emirates becomes the first carrier in the region to operate direct flights to the US.
Maurice Flanagan, vice chairman and managing director of the Emirates Group, told a press conference that Dubai's phenomenal development is attracting an increasing number of American travellers and businesses.
"We plan to invest more than $2 billion over the next two years to develop our market share in the States and open more gateways."
He said Dubai has been a magnet for commercial development, tourism and multinational business interests.
"There are already 500 American companies operating in the emirate. The inauguration of non-stop flights to New York is just the start for other destinations in the States and the rest of the continent," he added.
Flanagan said Dubai air traffic is growing at a remarkable 5.4 per cent annually, exceeding the 2.1 per cent global growth average.
Dubai International Airport, which has a current passenger capacity of 25 million per year, will be able to handle 75 million passengers by 2012, following the completion of the expansion project, he added.
"Dubai handles passengers from all over the region and there are no restrictions on the expansion of Emirates airline in the American market.
"The acquisition of the long-haul aircraft A340-500 which is capable of flying up to 17 hours non-stop has enabled the airline to earmark its US service and to expand it further in the near future, to cater to the anticipated growth in demand," Flanagan said.
The airline has equipped its Dubai-New York flight with 12 fully enclosed First Class Suites which are the first of their kind in commercial aviation.
Flanagan said Emirates is expecting significant growth in the number of passengers between Dubai and New York and would consider increasing its daily service to two or even four flights in the future, based on market demand, which is also expected to grow sharply.
He said the launch of the New York service has made Emirates a truly global carrier serving major business and leisure centres on all continents.
But I guess if you say they are flying to Canada soon then I guess they are.
Emirates aims for other US cities
New York | By Duraid Al Baik, UAE Editor | 04/06/2004 | Print this page
Emirates airline plans to spread its wings quickly in the potential-rich US market by starting non-stop flights to San Francisco, Houston and Washington DC.
The airline has just entered an elite club that flies to five continents after launching non-stop flights to New York this week.
With this, Emirates becomes the first carrier in the region to operate direct flights to the US.
Maurice Flanagan, vice chairman and managing director of the Emirates Group, told a press conference that Dubai's phenomenal development is attracting an increasing number of American travellers and businesses.
"We plan to invest more than $2 billion over the next two years to develop our market share in the States and open more gateways."
He said Dubai has been a magnet for commercial development, tourism and multinational business interests.
"There are already 500 American companies operating in the emirate. The inauguration of non-stop flights to New York is just the start for other destinations in the States and the rest of the continent," he added.
Flanagan said Dubai air traffic is growing at a remarkable 5.4 per cent annually, exceeding the 2.1 per cent global growth average.
Dubai International Airport, which has a current passenger capacity of 25 million per year, will be able to handle 75 million passengers by 2012, following the completion of the expansion project, he added.
"Dubai handles passengers from all over the region and there are no restrictions on the expansion of Emirates airline in the American market.
"The acquisition of the long-haul aircraft A340-500 which is capable of flying up to 17 hours non-stop has enabled the airline to earmark its US service and to expand it further in the near future, to cater to the anticipated growth in demand," Flanagan said.
The airline has equipped its Dubai-New York flight with 12 fully enclosed First Class Suites which are the first of their kind in commercial aviation.
Flanagan said Emirates is expecting significant growth in the number of passengers between Dubai and New York and would consider increasing its daily service to two or even four flights in the future, based on market demand, which is also expected to grow sharply.
He said the launch of the New York service has made Emirates a truly global carrier serving major business and leisure centres on all continents.
But I guess if you say they are flying to Canada soon then I guess they are.
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The plan for Toronto is a few years away was the answer received from VP. They have no doubt that they could fill the aircraft but it would be low yield passengers. As per everything else around here, it could however change in a blink. But that is the current situation. Sf is scheduled for January 1st 2005. Rio de Janeiro to follow. 
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If you put enough fuel in these planes to make non stop flights, how many passengers do you think you will be able to carry? And from a marketing standpoint, some westerners are a little uneasy about the flight crew of middle eastern airlines-don't flame me, its a fact of life.
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Well, the proportion of "Middle Eastern" flight crew at Emirates is probably the same as the proportion at United, AA, BA or any other of the world majors! It really is one of the world's most international airlines.
And what do you mean by "Middle Eastern" anyway - appearance? What about me, a WASP who unfortunately doesn't use SPF enough?
As for performance, I understand the A340-500 can do JFK-DXB year-round non-stop with a full payload. Pretty impressive machine if you ask me.
And what do you mean by "Middle Eastern" anyway - appearance? What about me, a WASP who unfortunately doesn't use SPF enough?
As for performance, I understand the A340-500 can do JFK-DXB year-round non-stop with a full payload. Pretty impressive machine if you ask me.
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IJP, I will flame you, because you deserve it. First off, most of the crews on Emirates are Expats, ie. Aussies, Brits, yanks etc. , secondly what does it matter. They are highly trained professionals and the passport they possess is irrellevant. In the terrorist attacks of September 11, it wasn't the flight crew that was middle eastern.
If I was to choose between a Middle Eastern Airline and an American one right now, based on track record I would rest a lot easier in the seat of a Middle Eastern Airliner. Which airlines were used in the attacks ijp????
Finally you obviously know absolutely nothing about aircraft and aircraft performance. The A340-500 does the trip from Dubai direct to New York in about 13 and a half hours with the return trip being about 12 and a half hours, and they do it easy, with a full payload. The same from Dubai to Melbourne, and Dubai to Sydney. It climbs like a dog, but considering it has fuel for about 14 hours flying thats understandable.
Finally, maybe for some insular paranoid americans, the Middle Eastern airlines will struggle with marketing, but travel to Australia, Europe and Sth Africa any time with Emirates and they are absolutely full, and are making money hand over fist. Maybe all those American carriers could take a leaf out of their marketing techniques, since they all seem to be either bankrupt or on the brink of declaring it.
If I was to choose between a Middle Eastern Airline and an American one right now, based on track record I would rest a lot easier in the seat of a Middle Eastern Airliner. Which airlines were used in the attacks ijp????
Finally you obviously know absolutely nothing about aircraft and aircraft performance. The A340-500 does the trip from Dubai direct to New York in about 13 and a half hours with the return trip being about 12 and a half hours, and they do it easy, with a full payload. The same from Dubai to Melbourne, and Dubai to Sydney. It climbs like a dog, but considering it has fuel for about 14 hours flying thats understandable.
Finally, maybe for some insular paranoid americans, the Middle Eastern airlines will struggle with marketing, but travel to Australia, Europe and Sth Africa any time with Emirates and they are absolutely full, and are making money hand over fist. Maybe all those American carriers could take a leaf out of their marketing techniques, since they all seem to be either bankrupt or on the brink of declaring it.
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They are highly trained professionals and the passport they possess is irrellevant.
His crime, they didnt like his name!
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"DXB-JFK with a full payload"....
It is to laugh. What Airbus means by "full payloac" would not embarass your Honda for a week-end camping trip.
Emirates is champing at the bit for the arrival of the 777-300ER which will do the same trip carrying 25 tonnes more, 45 minutes faster, and use less fuel.
"4 engines 4 long haul" indeed. If Airbus spent half the money they do on sloganeering on engineering they might have a chance to rise above "beneath contempt".
The particular lame device mentioned weighs 20,0000 kilograms more when empty than the Boeing. What's the French for "inept"?
It is to laugh. What Airbus means by "full payloac" would not embarass your Honda for a week-end camping trip.
Emirates is champing at the bit for the arrival of the 777-300ER which will do the same trip carrying 25 tonnes more, 45 minutes faster, and use less fuel.
"4 engines 4 long haul" indeed. If Airbus spent half the money they do on sloganeering on engineering they might have a chance to rise above "beneath contempt".
The particular lame device mentioned weighs 20,0000 kilograms more when empty than the Boeing. What's the French for "inept"?
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Lead Zeppelin,
No news thread for that case, but you should be able to find some news about the fact that they have agreed to stop chaining nationals of 27 countries who are allowed to enter on visa waivers. Presently people from these countries were held in chains if they had overstayed their 90 day visa on previous visits! People from countries not on the visa waiver list will still be chained!!!
Mutt.
No news thread for that case, but you should be able to find some news about the fact that they have agreed to stop chaining nationals of 27 countries who are allowed to enter on visa waivers. Presently people from these countries were held in chains if they had overstayed their 90 day visa on previous visits! People from countries not on the visa waiver list will still be chained!!!
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Ok so let me get this straight, he wasn't led away in chains cos they didn't like his name, or because he was muslim or arab, but because on a previous visit he had overstayed his 90 day visa. Is that correct??? If so your first post was completely misleading.
A lot of countries arrest and deport people who have on a prior stay viloated their visa conditions. How do you think the people from the sub continent, and from the former Russian Republics, get treated in the UAE when it is found they overstayed their welcome last time. Not well I can tell you!
And as far as the A340-500 goes, all I am saying is the aircraft does the Dubai to Nth America flight comfortably, and with a full payload. I am not going to get into the argument over boeing versus Airbus, as that is not what was asked. But just a quick question Dropp the Pilot, where do you get the figure that 777-300ER does the trip 45 minutes faster, when the max Mach for A340-500 is M.86 (but more likely will cruise at M.84), and the typical cruise of the 777-300ER is also M.84. Also the MTOW for 777-300ER is 351,534 kgs, while MTOW for A340-500 is 372,000kgs. Also the range with full payload for A340-500 is 9,000 NM, while the range of the 777-300ER is only 7,880 NM.
A lot of countries arrest and deport people who have on a prior stay viloated their visa conditions. How do you think the people from the sub continent, and from the former Russian Republics, get treated in the UAE when it is found they overstayed their welcome last time. Not well I can tell you!
And as far as the A340-500 goes, all I am saying is the aircraft does the Dubai to Nth America flight comfortably, and with a full payload. I am not going to get into the argument over boeing versus Airbus, as that is not what was asked. But just a quick question Dropp the Pilot, where do you get the figure that 777-300ER does the trip 45 minutes faster, when the max Mach for A340-500 is M.86 (but more likely will cruise at M.84), and the typical cruise of the 777-300ER is also M.84. Also the MTOW for 777-300ER is 351,534 kgs, while MTOW for A340-500 is 372,000kgs. Also the range with full payload for A340-500 is 9,000 NM, while the range of the 777-300ER is only 7,880 NM.
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Two completely different cases!!
Case 1: Crewmember on a valid "D" visa lead away in chains, held for 12 hours while questioned.
Case 2: USA has changed rules regarding how they will restrain people from visa waiver countries.
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Case 1: Crewmember on a valid "D" visa lead away in chains, held for 12 hours while questioned.
Case 2: USA has changed rules regarding how they will restrain people from visa waiver countries.
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Ok well when read one after the other your posts certainly didn't make it clear they were two completely separate cases.
Case 1: If it is as you say it is, then it is a serious breach of the individuals human rights. I have to think though that there must have been other reasons for being detained.
Case 2: I don't see your problem with the way visa waiver country people are handled versus non visa waiver people. All countries throughout the world excercise varying amounts of discrimination in deciding who comes in freely to their country and who does not. It basically comes down to which countries they trust and which they don't. It happens here in the UAE, as an Australian, I can have as many fellow countrymen visit me here, and waltz in with no prior visas, whereas Sth Africans need to pay for a tourist visa. Also when it comes to overstaying your visa here, as an Australian I am escorted politely to a homeward bound plane, whereas as a Pakistani, you are shackled and placed in the back of a truck to the Immigration department, where you are detained until they can ship you off again in chains. The world is full of inequities but in this case and considering recent history, I can understand their differing rules for different nationalities.
Case 1: If it is as you say it is, then it is a serious breach of the individuals human rights. I have to think though that there must have been other reasons for being detained.
Case 2: I don't see your problem with the way visa waiver country people are handled versus non visa waiver people. All countries throughout the world excercise varying amounts of discrimination in deciding who comes in freely to their country and who does not. It basically comes down to which countries they trust and which they don't. It happens here in the UAE, as an Australian, I can have as many fellow countrymen visit me here, and waltz in with no prior visas, whereas Sth Africans need to pay for a tourist visa. Also when it comes to overstaying your visa here, as an Australian I am escorted politely to a homeward bound plane, whereas as a Pakistani, you are shackled and placed in the back of a truck to the Immigration department, where you are detained until they can ship you off again in chains. The world is full of inequities but in this case and considering recent history, I can understand their differing rules for different nationalities.
Ahhh Airey....
The A340-500 has a higher MTOW to lift all the gas the two extra donks require to keep running for all that extra time in the air.
It's all in the MZFW that counts
Extra gas is extra cost. Droppy has a point.
Sure the range is greater. Who uses that? SQ. Who doesn't? EK.
On the current runs EK have, the stock 777-300 will carry the same load over the same distance, but it wouldn't look good having a one third empty aeroplane and showing your load factors reflecting the same.
Me thinks some lovely riviera homes were included in the deal on those doozies
halas
The A340-500 has a higher MTOW to lift all the gas the two extra donks require to keep running for all that extra time in the air.
It's all in the MZFW that counts
Extra gas is extra cost. Droppy has a point.Sure the range is greater. Who uses that? SQ. Who doesn't? EK.
On the current runs EK have, the stock 777-300 will carry the same load over the same distance, but it wouldn't look good having a one third empty aeroplane and showing your load factors reflecting the same.
Me thinks some lovely riviera homes were included in the deal on those doozies
halas
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>>And from a marketing standpoint, some westerners are a little uneasy about the flight crew of middle eastern airlines-don't flame me, its a fact of life.<<
Absolutely true but you just can't say that publicly in these politically correct times.
Remember, American got in trouble for saying that South Americans trusted gringo pilots more than "Latin" pilots:
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/pilotguide2.html
In less politcally correct countries you can still market the perceived superiority of the "western" pilot, e.g. the chinese advertisement featuring CX Captain Chris Hill currently in the TPE airport. The local pilots with CI have a dreadful safety record and the traveling public is keenly aware of it.
I'm sure EK will feature pilots of European ancestry in it's U.S. ad campaigns, while ironically, the U.S. carriers tend to feature pilots of non-western origin in ads to show how they promote "diversity".
Absolutely true but you just can't say that publicly in these politically correct times.
Remember, American got in trouble for saying that South Americans trusted gringo pilots more than "Latin" pilots:
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/pilotguide2.html
In less politcally correct countries you can still market the perceived superiority of the "western" pilot, e.g. the chinese advertisement featuring CX Captain Chris Hill currently in the TPE airport. The local pilots with CI have a dreadful safety record and the traveling public is keenly aware of it.
I'm sure EK will feature pilots of European ancestry in it's U.S. ad campaigns, while ironically, the U.S. carriers tend to feature pilots of non-western origin in ads to show how they promote "diversity".
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ANSA,
No need to really comment on your posts, especially about the "Flight Crews" on 9-11, the implication being they were the ones responsible. In fact I was refering to Egypt Air.
As for a/c performance, It seems that Dropp could educate you, listen to him.
No need to really comment on your posts, especially about the "Flight Crews" on 9-11, the implication being they were the ones responsible. In fact I was refering to Egypt Air.
As for a/c performance, It seems that Dropp could educate you, listen to him.