Any chance without an ATPL?
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Any chance without an ATPL?
Hi guys. Iīve seen at least 4 companies hiring Airbus pilots (EK , EY, GF, QR) and all them requite an ICAO ATPL. Well.. I donīt have an ICAO ATPL, but have nearly 3000 hours on Airbuses (2000 in A-330 and 800 in A-320) as First Officer and hold a valid ICAO Commercial Pilot Licence with the ATP written. Do you think I stand a chance at any of this companies? Thanks a lot!
If the box says ICAO ATPL, then they probably will want it. However, with your experience you should be able to go the the USA and complete their ATP course in less than a week!
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Stand alone, what exactly is a "frozen atpl" and please advise which of the middle eastern countries operate under the JAR system where such a an endorsement on a CPL would be recognized!
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Mutt, a frozen ATPL is an ATPL where all of the exams have been passed but the pilot doesn't have the hours to validate it yet.
Marrs you can try but I'd go and get the ATP. 2 reasons: Firstly the computer based recruitment systems will reject you without even looking at your experience because you do not meet the minimum requirements; do not pass go! Secondly, it shows initiative if you go and get it. If I were looking at your experience and knew you wanted the job I'd be asking not 'does he really need an ATPL' but 'why hasn't he got one'.
Simply you are not competitive without it because it would cost the company cash to give it to you. Sorry to sound pessimistic.
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Marrs you can try but I'd go and get the ATP. 2 reasons: Firstly the computer based recruitment systems will reject you without even looking at your experience because you do not meet the minimum requirements; do not pass go! Secondly, it shows initiative if you go and get it. If I were looking at your experience and knew you wanted the job I'd be asking not 'does he really need an ATPL' but 'why hasn't he got one'.
Simply you are not competitive without it because it would cost the company cash to give it to you. Sorry to sound pessimistic.
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Try calling 1-800-ALL-ATPS in the US. It's basically an ATP factory. It will take a maximum of 1 week including the checkride and cost somewhere around US$2000. That's if you do the full 10 hour multi-engine conversion. Much cheaper if you are already current in light twins. My $$$ figures might be a little out of date but I think it's a reasonable ballpark figure. In the States there are 'ATP factories' all over the place. It's definitely your cheapest and fastest method of getting one. I agree with the other posts, I don't think you have a viable shot at Ek at least, without one.
Try calling 1-800-ALL-ATPS in the US. It's basically an ATP factory. It will take a maximum of 1 week including the checkride and cost somewhere around US$2000. That's if you do the full 10 hour multi-engine conversion. Much cheaper if you are already current in light twins. My $$$ figures might be a little out of date but I think it's a reasonable ballpark figure. In the States there are 'ATP factories' all over the place. It's definitely your cheapest and fastest method of getting one. I agree with the other posts, I don't think you have a viable shot at Ek at least, without one.
Cerberus,
The "frozen atpl" term appears to be an advertising ploy to sell courses, when in reality, its a CPL with theoretical knowledge to the ATPL knowledge level.
The problem arises when you try to validate that licence in a country where the system doesnt have any method of recognizes the theoretical knowledge. I dont know which original aviation system the Middle Eastern countries use (FAA or CAA). But i would be interested in knowing if any of these countries have a provision to account for the ATP knowledge.
Til I find out differently, i will reiterate my suggestion to MARRS, go get a FAA ATP before applying to these carriers.
Mutt.
The "frozen atpl" term appears to be an advertising ploy to sell courses, when in reality, its a CPL with theoretical knowledge to the ATPL knowledge level.
The problem arises when you try to validate that licence in a country where the system doesnt have any method of recognizes the theoretical knowledge. I dont know which original aviation system the Middle Eastern countries use (FAA or CAA). But i would be interested in knowing if any of these countries have a provision to account for the ATP knowledge.
Til I find out differently, i will reiterate my suggestion to MARRS, go get a FAA ATP before applying to these carriers.
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Frozen ATPL
Guys,
A frozen ATPL as mentioned above is a pass on your theoretical ATPL exams without the actual license (ususally because people dont have the hour to validate the actual license yet). QR requires this frozen ICAO ATPL. For the Gulf Air, they require the actual ICAO ATPL or a frozen JAR ATPL, which in turn, means that you need to pass at least the exams for the JAR ATPL (which by the way is 10 times more difficult than passing the FAA ATP exam).
If you have the hours, the fastest, cheapest and easiest way to get in is USA. However, if you are willing to go through some serious studying, the JAR ATPL, which you can get in a lot of places in Europe, is a good value especially if you have an EU passsport because it will give you access to a whole lot of EU airlines and companies.
About the Middle east, I know the Saudia is on FAA system for sure, and that Egypt is ICAO. For the rest of the region, I think each country has its own slightly modified version of the ICAO. That is the region is mostly ICAO except for Saudi Arabia.
Cheers.
A frozen ATPL as mentioned above is a pass on your theoretical ATPL exams without the actual license (ususally because people dont have the hour to validate the actual license yet). QR requires this frozen ICAO ATPL. For the Gulf Air, they require the actual ICAO ATPL or a frozen JAR ATPL, which in turn, means that you need to pass at least the exams for the JAR ATPL (which by the way is 10 times more difficult than passing the FAA ATP exam).
If you have the hours, the fastest, cheapest and easiest way to get in is USA. However, if you are willing to go through some serious studying, the JAR ATPL, which you can get in a lot of places in Europe, is a good value especially if you have an EU passsport because it will give you access to a whole lot of EU airlines and companies.
About the Middle east, I know the Saudia is on FAA system for sure, and that Egypt is ICAO. For the rest of the region, I think each country has its own slightly modified version of the ICAO. That is the region is mostly ICAO except for Saudi Arabia.
Cheers.
