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Agree with you 100%
About the Israelis. Let us just get one thing straight right hear an now. They are there for good and they are there to stay. They have over 200 nukes to back it up and if necessary they will be used.
Agree with you 100%
About the Israelis. Let us just get one thing straight right hear an now. They are there for good and they are there to stay. They have over 200 nukes to back it up and if necessary they will be used.
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Please don't bring up Israel.. it makes me sick just hearing it. I am sorry but all they do in Canada is bicker and whine how they got killed during the second world war. What about the millions who died and were European? They want everyone to feel sorry for them, they run America and thats why the terrorists hate America. I couldn't spell it out any clearer, thats the main reason. I lost great grandparents and even my last name because noone knew who my grandma was (she was too young to speak). I think people suffered to. I hope Palestine kickes their ass!
The best, most honest and kind people I know are arab. And its a shame a few terrorists make the americans think so low of them. I'd rather trust my life with an arab than an American any day.
The best, most honest and kind people I know are arab. And its a shame a few terrorists make the americans think so low of them. I'd rather trust my life with an arab than an American any day.
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It is easy enough, being a monday morning quarter back, or for my british friends, coach.
I see a whole lot of whinning and hand wringing, but very little constructive criticism vis a vis the war on terror.
Now, I am far from an expert and really have do not have much of an idea of what needs to be done. It does however appear, that fundamentalist Islamic teachings are the cause. It appears to me, that they wish to go back to the stone age, or close there to, with women being second class citizens and life must be lived under the most strict interpretation of the Koran. Sort of like when the Taliban ruled Afghanistan or Khoemeni in Iran.
Further, there is no appeasing these terrorist, if you give an inch, they will only seek more. They can only see their side of the coin and will not engage in diplomacy.
Yes, Israel has not exactly done well with diplomacy and for that I am saddened. On the other hand, they live under constant threat from terror. None of the ME countries recognizes Israel as a state, not to mention, the ME countries are happy to band together to destroy Israel, six day war comes to mind.
So what do we do? As I said, I am no expert, but obviously, we cannot live in a world, where the next second may be your last, due to some suicide bomber who considers all non muslims infidels and there for are inclined to kill us in the name of Allah.
The world would be a better place, if we could learn to respect each other, but sometimes, the idea of that seems to be beyond our reach.
I see a whole lot of whinning and hand wringing, but very little constructive criticism vis a vis the war on terror.
Now, I am far from an expert and really have do not have much of an idea of what needs to be done. It does however appear, that fundamentalist Islamic teachings are the cause. It appears to me, that they wish to go back to the stone age, or close there to, with women being second class citizens and life must be lived under the most strict interpretation of the Koran. Sort of like when the Taliban ruled Afghanistan or Khoemeni in Iran.
Further, there is no appeasing these terrorist, if you give an inch, they will only seek more. They can only see their side of the coin and will not engage in diplomacy.
Yes, Israel has not exactly done well with diplomacy and for that I am saddened. On the other hand, they live under constant threat from terror. None of the ME countries recognizes Israel as a state, not to mention, the ME countries are happy to band together to destroy Israel, six day war comes to mind.
So what do we do? As I said, I am no expert, but obviously, we cannot live in a world, where the next second may be your last, due to some suicide bomber who considers all non muslims infidels and there for are inclined to kill us in the name of Allah.
The world would be a better place, if we could learn to respect each other, but sometimes, the idea of that seems to be beyond our reach.
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My friend came to visit me from Kuwait, he brought with him a magazine. Inside were pictures of Israelis storming a lebanese camp killing people. There was a mosque and they went inside and killed people and hung them from the lines on the phone poles.
Suicide Bombers? They are young people 16-24, who parents have been murdered by Israelis, homes destroyed, lives shattered. Why does the news only show Palestineans doing s*** cause the T.V. networks are all owned by Jews, CNN, ABC.. you name it. They want to cover their a** so they can look like the victims, but I know the truth.
If someone came into your land, told you what to do, killed your parents, destroyed everything you have ever owned, you are telling me you wouldn't be pissed?!?
Suicide Bombers? They are young people 16-24, who parents have been murdered by Israelis, homes destroyed, lives shattered. Why does the news only show Palestineans doing s*** cause the T.V. networks are all owned by Jews, CNN, ABC.. you name it. They want to cover their a** so they can look like the victims, but I know the truth.
If someone came into your land, told you what to do, killed your parents, destroyed everything you have ever owned, you are telling me you wouldn't be pissed?!?
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Oh, you mean like the British did with their colonies?
You are correct, in that the news services leaves a lot to be desired. But from there, to a giant zionist propaganda machine is probably too far.
I wish there could be some kind of resolution to the palestinian issue, but as long as their rhetoric is: "Israel must be wiped of this earth", nothing will ever be accomplished. For a while, it did seem like something good was happening, but the powers that be, in particular Arafat, was adamantly opposed to any form of reconcilation.
Before this turn into a slagging of the US, I need not point out the problems with terror in N. Ireland, the separatist in Spain etc.
Instead of whinning, why not present a solution?
You are correct, in that the news services leaves a lot to be desired. But from there, to a giant zionist propaganda machine is probably too far.
I wish there could be some kind of resolution to the palestinian issue, but as long as their rhetoric is: "Israel must be wiped of this earth", nothing will ever be accomplished. For a while, it did seem like something good was happening, but the powers that be, in particular Arafat, was adamantly opposed to any form of reconcilation.
Before this turn into a slagging of the US, I need not point out the problems with terror in N. Ireland, the separatist in Spain etc.
Instead of whinning, why not present a solution?
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Dear ijb,
Your sentence:
"so why are we in the west having to pay for the barbarian conduct of the middle east."
Mine :why are we in the whole world having to pay for the brutal existence of Israel?why are in the whole world having to pay for the U.S. support to Israel?
MD11,
In my country we can hear everyday that my nation has to pay them MONEY for more than 3 generations later.
The media has cancelled a document movie about the AVH (local version of the Soviet KGB) because there were to many "israeli" names (70% about) among the members.
Your sentence:
"so why are we in the west having to pay for the barbarian conduct of the middle east."
Mine :why are we in the whole world having to pay for the brutal existence of Israel?why are in the whole world having to pay for the U.S. support to Israel?
MD11,
In my country we can hear everyday that my nation has to pay them MONEY for more than 3 generations later.
The media has cancelled a document movie about the AVH (local version of the Soviet KGB) because there were to many "israeli" names (70% about) among the members.
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Deske,
So your assertion is, that if Israel was no more, acts of terror would not occur?
You are saying, that the Al Quaida attacks on 9-11 was in support of those who wish Israel to disappear?
So your assertion is, that if Israel was no more, acts of terror would not occur?
You are saying, that the Al Quaida attacks on 9-11 was in support of those who wish Israel to disappear?
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On 9/11, many jewish executives did not go to work because they were warned something might happen.... I don't think the israelis deserve retribution, only a swift kick in the a**!
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Something misunderstanding:
I am talking about that the terror is primarly supported by the cionist politics in the M.E. and in the US.
And the superior behavior of the Israelis.How many United Nations" Resolutions are not in order in Israel?
I am sure as well that the brutal attacks 9/11 were not a surprise to some people holding other passport than arabic.
Do You remember when the "Reichstag" (German Parliment Building) was in flames in the 1930's? I think You all know the story.The nazis burnt it then destroyed the remaining political parties in Germany.
I am talking about that the terror is primarly supported by the cionist politics in the M.E. and in the US.
And the superior behavior of the Israelis.How many United Nations" Resolutions are not in order in Israel?
I am sure as well that the brutal attacks 9/11 were not a surprise to some people holding other passport than arabic.
Do You remember when the "Reichstag" (German Parliment Building) was in flames in the 1930's? I think You all know the story.The nazis burnt it then destroyed the remaining political parties in Germany.
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Who would spread the rumours, that jews were notably absent 9-11. Perhaps those who wish to deflect blame?
"None of us needs any
reminders after the events of September 11 about what an ugly place the world can be, but we continue to receive those reminders nonetheless. In this case, there are plenty of anti-Semitic, anti-Zionist, and anti-Israeli groups eager to use the horrors of September 11 as fodder for propaganda to serve their own political ends.
The pieces quote above scarely merit the dignity of a rebuttal. One need only have read newspaper accounts of the thousands of deaths, viewed TV news interviews with grieving families, and scanned the lists of the dead and missing to know that the terrorist attack on New York City claimed the lives of Christians, Jews, and Muslims; agnostics, atheists, and the non-religious alike. No religion was spared, no denomination singled out. Ordinary people of all nationalities suffered. No miracles, human intervention, foreknowledge, coincidence, or vagaries of fate saved more than a few World Trade Center workers from meeting their deaths that day.
Nonetheless, those with something to gain by sowing the seeds of divisiveness would have us believe that Israel had advance warning of the World Trade Center attack, that they managed to notify 4,000 Jews who worked in the two towers, but that they left the U.S. completely unaware of the danger. ("Hello, David Rosenberg? This is the Mossad. Listen, don't go to work on Tuesday. Yeah, another terrorist attack on the U.S. . . . call in sick. And remember, not a word to any of your gentile relatives, friends, or co-workers.") And even though this scoop to top all scoops is now winging its way all over the Internet, the American press apparently still remains completely in the dark about the nefarious scheme. Is it any surprise that this story emanated from Pravda and Al-Manar Television, the pro-Palestinian "Channel of Arabs and Muslims"?
Why would Israel follow such a course of action, betray its staunchest ally, and doom thousands of innocent Americans to death? There are no rational answers to that question, only ugly propagandistic ones. "Israel wants to draw America into a final showdown with its Arab enemies, so they didn't warn us" — the same conspiracy theory that posited our leaders knew about the impending Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor allowed it to happen in order to galvanize public support for a war. Old theory, new clothes. Even darker is the implication that Israel, not content to wait for an attack which would embroil America in a Middle Eastern war, forced the issue by pulling off a monstrous act of terrorism again the USA themselves.
"It is clear to all that the Jews/Israel have most to gain and should be considered as a possible source behind this act," we're told. We hope what's clear to all is that those who author and disseminate this kind of garbage are really the ones with the most to gain.
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"None of us needs any
reminders after the events of September 11 about what an ugly place the world can be, but we continue to receive those reminders nonetheless. In this case, there are plenty of anti-Semitic, anti-Zionist, and anti-Israeli groups eager to use the horrors of September 11 as fodder for propaganda to serve their own political ends.
The pieces quote above scarely merit the dignity of a rebuttal. One need only have read newspaper accounts of the thousands of deaths, viewed TV news interviews with grieving families, and scanned the lists of the dead and missing to know that the terrorist attack on New York City claimed the lives of Christians, Jews, and Muslims; agnostics, atheists, and the non-religious alike. No religion was spared, no denomination singled out. Ordinary people of all nationalities suffered. No miracles, human intervention, foreknowledge, coincidence, or vagaries of fate saved more than a few World Trade Center workers from meeting their deaths that day.
Nonetheless, those with something to gain by sowing the seeds of divisiveness would have us believe that Israel had advance warning of the World Trade Center attack, that they managed to notify 4,000 Jews who worked in the two towers, but that they left the U.S. completely unaware of the danger. ("Hello, David Rosenberg? This is the Mossad. Listen, don't go to work on Tuesday. Yeah, another terrorist attack on the U.S. . . . call in sick. And remember, not a word to any of your gentile relatives, friends, or co-workers.") And even though this scoop to top all scoops is now winging its way all over the Internet, the American press apparently still remains completely in the dark about the nefarious scheme. Is it any surprise that this story emanated from Pravda and Al-Manar Television, the pro-Palestinian "Channel of Arabs and Muslims"?
Why would Israel follow such a course of action, betray its staunchest ally, and doom thousands of innocent Americans to death? There are no rational answers to that question, only ugly propagandistic ones. "Israel wants to draw America into a final showdown with its Arab enemies, so they didn't warn us" — the same conspiracy theory that posited our leaders knew about the impending Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor allowed it to happen in order to galvanize public support for a war. Old theory, new clothes. Even darker is the implication that Israel, not content to wait for an attack which would embroil America in a Middle Eastern war, forced the issue by pulling off a monstrous act of terrorism again the USA themselves.
"It is clear to all that the Jews/Israel have most to gain and should be considered as a possible source behind this act," we're told. We hope what's clear to all is that those who author and disseminate this kind of garbage are really the ones with the most to gain.
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Deske,
It really is not a question of reading the Tora or the Koran, both with preaches peace and coexistance.
The question is more, that some people wishes to twist these religions into things that are detrimental to us all.
Let me know, how we can adequately contain those, who wishes to use religion as a cause for evil doing, because all this finger pointing gets us absolutely no where!
It really is not a question of reading the Tora or the Koran, both with preaches peace and coexistance.
The question is more, that some people wishes to twist these religions into things that are detrimental to us all.
Let me know, how we can adequately contain those, who wishes to use religion as a cause for evil doing, because all this finger pointing gets us absolutely no where!
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Hoo boy, you guys are beating this one to death!
Somehow this one is still teetering on the rails - please keep it that way. There is no aviation related content in this thread but as it does affect those of us who live in the region we'll keep it going in the interests of free speech - just keep it nice, no radical statements or xenophobic statements will be tolerated.
It's interesting to note that virtually none of the folk involved in this discussion live anywhere near the region. But please, carry on if you will.
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Somehow this one is still teetering on the rails - please keep it that way. There is no aviation related content in this thread but as it does affect those of us who live in the region we'll keep it going in the interests of free speech - just keep it nice, no radical statements or xenophobic statements will be tolerated.
It's interesting to note that virtually none of the folk involved in this discussion live anywhere near the region. But please, carry on if you will.
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4holerpoler,
Of course it teethers on the rails, most of these "ugly" discussions tend to do that. Does that mean it will get out on control, I certainly hope not.
As for me, I live in the US, although was born in Europe. Needless to say, the events of recent, has been rather trying and very sad.
If you live in the ME, I would be very interested in hearing your views as to what can be done and how we may go forward. I am sure you would have some ideas.
Kind regards,
D8
Of course it teethers on the rails, most of these "ugly" discussions tend to do that. Does that mean it will get out on control, I certainly hope not.
As for me, I live in the US, although was born in Europe. Needless to say, the events of recent, has been rather trying and very sad.
If you live in the ME, I would be very interested in hearing your views as to what can be done and how we may go forward. I am sure you would have some ideas.
Kind regards,
D8
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4Hole,
Aviation content?
Well,I have got the offer from Qatar Airways and my wife and me are arguing about to move or not for more than a week.
And I am also not sure about it now,cause I am afraid if these actions would cross the border let's say in the next year.
If You live in the region,please advise your opinion about my fear.
Aviation content?
Well,I have got the offer from Qatar Airways and my wife and me are arguing about to move or not for more than a week.
And I am also not sure about it now,cause I am afraid if these actions would cross the border let's say in the next year.
If You live in the region,please advise your opinion about my fear.
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I think this is a perfect thread. This has everything to do with aviation, because its issues like these that people have to look at when thinking about pursuing a career in the middle east. This sort of thing may stop people from wanting to move down there, and I doubt any airline would let you argue this sort of thing in the cockpit 
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Deske--
Personally lived and worked in the ME for over twenty years, and was always treated with respect...and did likewise.
If you have a job offer...take it, providing the cash and conditions are to your liking.
Who knows, you may actually enjoy it.
Yes, the cash isn't what it used to be, but hey, the same can be said for many other areas.
Go with the flow...for the least 'problems'.
OTOH, don't expect a rose garden either
Life is a challange, and those who never accept the challange generally live to regret it, later on.
Personally lived and worked in the ME for over twenty years, and was always treated with respect...and did likewise.
If you have a job offer...take it, providing the cash and conditions are to your liking.
Who knows, you may actually enjoy it.
Yes, the cash isn't what it used to be, but hey, the same can be said for many other areas.
Go with the flow...for the least 'problems'.
OTOH, don't expect a rose garden either
Life is a challange, and those who never accept the challange generally live to regret it, later on.
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You know what the basic difference is between westerners and arab's world? In the western world, when they have critics to make, they make a movie and get awards (Moore) and in the arab world when they have critics to make, they write a book and then there life is threaten. (Rushdie)
Since nobody wants to talk about Sudan, here's some facts : 2 million people have been killed and millions more have been removed from their land and put in a refugee camp by THE ARAB MUSLIM FROM THE NORTH IN SUDAN.
Worst conflict than in Palestine but it seems no one wants to talk about it. Double standard again.
Since nobody wants to talk about Sudan, here's some facts : 2 million people have been killed and millions more have been removed from their land and put in a refugee camp by THE ARAB MUSLIM FROM THE NORTH IN SUDAN.
Worst conflict than in Palestine but it seems no one wants to talk about it. Double standard again.
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Well thats Africa my friend, and it happens alot there, government reforms, rebels, Christians vs. Muslims. Just looks at Angola, Congo and Rwanda, 2 million slaughtered in the Rwanda genocide. And then 2500 people die on 9/11 and the world stops to mourn. We need to quit being so ignorant, the US is not the world and s*** like this happens every day and in some parts of the world its like a normal event.