Warning About Gulf Air
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Warning About Gulf Air
For those already at or thinking about joining Gulf Air Beware.
The company is refusing to give a letter of No Objection to pilots that are leaving Gulf Air to Another company. It does not seem to matter if it is another company within the GCC or elsewere.
What that means for anyone looking to move to another company in the middle east is that you will not be able to work within the UAE for a minimun of 6 months from the time you quit Gulf Air.
Rather than trying to make Gulf Air a better place to work they are determind to make life miserable for those who even plan to leave.
The company is refusing to give a letter of No Objection to pilots that are leaving Gulf Air to Another company. It does not seem to matter if it is another company within the GCC or elsewere.
What that means for anyone looking to move to another company in the middle east is that you will not be able to work within the UAE for a minimun of 6 months from the time you quit Gulf Air.
Rather than trying to make Gulf Air a better place to work they are determind to make life miserable for those who even plan to leave.
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I haven't heard of anyone getting refused a no objection letter recently & God knows we've had a lot a people resign from GF recently.The only thing they are really tough on is the 3 month notice period.
Maybe you're talking about GT, because I heard the GT cabin crew will not get a no objection letter for 6 months,but that has to do with the Abu Dhabi gov.
Maybe you're talking about GT, because I heard the GT cabin crew will not get a no objection letter for 6 months,but that has to do with the Abu Dhabi gov.
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I am referring to Gulf Air Pilots based in AUH. Then Ban does not apply to you if the company gives you a no objection letter. They are even refusing to give it to guys who are NOT going to Emirates.
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More ill-informed rubbish about Gulf Air.
I personally know some GF pilots that have left for both EK and other carriers, and GF have in NO WAY obstructed them, unless you consider insisting that the pilots give the obligatory 3 month notice an obstruction (a fact EK are well aware of).
Whilst I do not know what has happened at GT, but since the pilot group is one and the same, all administered out of BAH, I find OTG's assertion pretty hard to believe.
It may be an administrative hiccup, but one phone call to BAH would sort that out.
I personally know some GF pilots that have left for both EK and other carriers, and GF have in NO WAY obstructed them, unless you consider insisting that the pilots give the obligatory 3 month notice an obstruction (a fact EK are well aware of).
Whilst I do not know what has happened at GT, but since the pilot group is one and the same, all administered out of BAH, I find OTG's assertion pretty hard to believe.
It may be an administrative hiccup, but one phone call to BAH would sort that out.
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I personally know of pilots working for Gulf Air based in AUH who have NOT been given a letter of no objection.
Yes pilots based in BAH and AUH work for the same company but there are definatly some differences as I am sure you are aware.
A call to BAH.....If a Gulf Air pilot basd in AUH has a problem and
has to deal with BAH. 90% of the time the only way to get the issue resolved is to fly to BAH on a day off and wait around the pink palace for someone to show up.
Fact of the matter is that Gulf Air is short of crews, Gulf Air can not keep or find pilots to work for them. I see the prevention of someone wanting to go to another comany in the area scare tactics.
" The beating will continue until morale improves "
I personally know of pilots working for Gulf Air based in AUH who have NOT been given a letter of no objection.
Yes pilots based in BAH and AUH work for the same company but there are definatly some differences as I am sure you are aware.
A call to BAH.....If a Gulf Air pilot basd in AUH has a problem and
has to deal with BAH. 90% of the time the only way to get the issue resolved is to fly to BAH on a day off and wait around the pink palace for someone to show up.
Fact of the matter is that Gulf Air is short of crews, Gulf Air can not keep or find pilots to work for them. I see the prevention of someone wanting to go to another comany in the area scare tactics.
" The beating will continue until morale improves "
REM - sorry but you are the ill informed - the new HR managers are refusing to give NOC's to the GT lads who are trying to get to EK. Part of the new super efficient management!!
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It seeems that the spotlight is focused heavily on Gulf Air nowadays. Yes there are a shortage of pilots there. But that is mainly due to impatient pilots who expect paradise when they arrive. I personally know of pilots who were unemployed and not current back in their home countries, came to Gulf Air, got current and used it as a gateway to join other airlines in the region.Thanks to Gulf Air that today they are in another airline. But every company has it's ups and down and Gulf Air is certainly no exception.
What about the near fatal incident of EK in Joborg neraly 3 weeks ago. Did we hear any comments or reports about it. NO
So pls no bias remarks about Gulf Air. If we need to comment about any airlines lets do it fairly and with proof cause at the end of the day we are professional people not a bunch of yobbos.
P.s. If anybody has any news about the EK news in Joborg wud appreciate if u cud post it as I'm curious to find out what happened.
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What about the near fatal incident of EK in Joborg neraly 3 weeks ago. Did we hear any comments or reports about it. NO
So pls no bias remarks about Gulf Air. If we need to comment about any airlines lets do it fairly and with proof cause at the end of the day we are professional people not a bunch of yobbos.
P.s. If anybody has any news about the EK news in Joborg wud appreciate if u cud post it as I'm curious to find out what happened.
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Troll Alert.
Interested to exploit the misfortune of others.........give it a rest and realize every company has it's slip-up's...........look in your own backyard.
Have a nice day.
Interested to exploit the misfortune of others.........give it a rest and realize every company has it's slip-up's...........look in your own backyard.
Have a nice day.
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"mainly due to impatient pilots who expect paradise when they arrive"
Would help alot if those hired were given the truth during the interview process. Such as upgrades, housing, schooling etc etc
"mainly due to impatient pilots who expect paradise when they arrive"
Would help alot if those hired were given the truth during the interview process. Such as upgrades, housing, schooling etc etc
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CDRW,
If you read my post, I stated that GF has not obstructed anyone that I know of leaving GF in BAH. I stand by that.
I also stated that I did not know what had happened at GT.
I merely extrapolated that I could see no reason why there would be differant rules in AUH.
Maybe the title of the post should read Gulf Traveller because no-one has cited any evidence of it happening to GF pilots in BAH where about 90% of the pilots are based.
Likewise OTG you start the topic with a broad swipe at all of GF, but your only evidence is from GT in AUH. Why did you not be more specific? Maybe less dramatic??
If you read my post, I stated that GF has not obstructed anyone that I know of leaving GF in BAH. I stand by that.
I also stated that I did not know what had happened at GT.
I merely extrapolated that I could see no reason why there would be differant rules in AUH.
Maybe the title of the post should read Gulf Traveller because no-one has cited any evidence of it happening to GF pilots in BAH where about 90% of the pilots are based.
Likewise OTG you start the topic with a broad swipe at all of GF, but your only evidence is from GT in AUH. Why did you not be more specific? Maybe less dramatic??
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For a fact every issue is covered in the interview and all applicants are told of what they are entitled to when they join.
For your information, Gulf Air is a very well established airline ( 54 years) in business. As i said earlier every company has it's mishaps. look at other airlines that were stable and running and today they are history .
Regarding upgrades, in the interview all applicants are told that getting a command is by a seniority system. dont expect to come and join and within 3-4 years to get your command cause there are a lot of first officers who have been waiting much longer than that, even though they have been trained by Gulf Air as ab initios
Regarding housing, it has been made fairly clear what they are entitled to, and although we could be short of pilots, we dont decieve people to join the company.
And regarding the GT (incident), well this is the first time i hear of such story, so i suggest u get your facts right cause Gulf Air is not a dungeon that traps pilots or restricts them when they depart. I know many pilots who came here, got current, got the hours & experience and within a short time left for EK and Air Arabia and other airlines.
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For a fact every issue is covered in the interview and all applicants are told of what they are entitled to when they join.
For your information, Gulf Air is a very well established airline ( 54 years) in business. As i said earlier every company has it's mishaps. look at other airlines that were stable and running and today they are history .
Regarding upgrades, in the interview all applicants are told that getting a command is by a seniority system. dont expect to come and join and within 3-4 years to get your command cause there are a lot of first officers who have been waiting much longer than that, even though they have been trained by Gulf Air as ab initios
Regarding housing, it has been made fairly clear what they are entitled to, and although we could be short of pilots, we dont decieve people to join the company.
And regarding the GT (incident), well this is the first time i hear of such story, so i suggest u get your facts right cause Gulf Air is not a dungeon that traps pilots or restricts them when they depart. I know many pilots who came here, got current, got the hours & experience and within a short time left for EK and Air Arabia and other airlines.
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The question you have to ask TOGA Boy, is why did they leave at the first opportunity to go to Emirates, Air Arabia and other airlines (who have not been established for 54 years) ???
By the way, are you aware TOGA BOY is an anagram of GOAT YOB?
By the way, are you aware TOGA BOY is an anagram of GOAT YOB?
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TOGA BOY,
Fact, I do work for GF based in AUH.
Fact, when I arrived the contract I was sent and accepted and sent back signed. It was however not what I was told I must sign upon arrival in BAH.
Fact, GULF AIR will not sign a letter of NOC to pilots leaving Gulf Air from the AUH base.
I assume you do work for GF and that you are not based in AUH. YOU should check the facts sir regarding the letter of NOC.
Fact, I do work for GF based in AUH.
Fact, when I arrived the contract I was sent and accepted and sent back signed. It was however not what I was told I must sign upon arrival in BAH.
Fact, GULF AIR will not sign a letter of NOC to pilots leaving Gulf Air from the AUH base.
I assume you do work for GF and that you are not based in AUH. YOU should check the facts sir regarding the letter of NOC.
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ruserious; stick to the topic!
OTG; My haven't we changed our stance! Your first post was a broadside at all of Gulf Air. 24 hours later it is confined to the 10% of Gulf Air's pilots who are based in AUH. Care to put a number on those who have had their NOC refused?
I know of seven who have left GF with NO PROBLEM and another three who are serving out their notice.
OTG; My haven't we changed our stance! Your first post was a broadside at all of Gulf Air. 24 hours later it is confined to the 10% of Gulf Air's pilots who are based in AUH. Care to put a number on those who have had their NOC refused?
I know of seven who have left GF with NO PROBLEM and another three who are serving out their notice.
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Why are pilots leaving Gulf Air?
It's just that there are contracts with them in the offing (probably as a result of these departures) and I'd like to know more before commiting myself further.
It's just that there are contracts with them in the offing (probably as a result of these departures) and I'd like to know more before commiting myself further.
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No change in stance. Pilots based in AUH or BAH both work for Gulf Air. Gulf Air is refusing to give a letter of NOC. It seems quite simple.
The purpose of this post was to inform people that are here or thinking of comming over here that should they want to leave that Gulf Air will not give them a letter of NOC if they leave.
I know 3 pilots right now who did not get a letter of NOC.
Why don't you pick up the phone and phone someone and ask them about it? ohh that's right trying to get a straight answer in that building could take a while.
If you are someone in a position to do something to change this or prove me wrong I welcome it and would thank you on behalf of those who would like to have the letter.
No change in stance. Pilots based in AUH or BAH both work for Gulf Air. Gulf Air is refusing to give a letter of NOC. It seems quite simple.
The purpose of this post was to inform people that are here or thinking of comming over here that should they want to leave that Gulf Air will not give them a letter of NOC if they leave.
I know 3 pilots right now who did not get a letter of NOC.
Why don't you pick up the phone and phone someone and ask them about it? ohh that's right trying to get a straight answer in that building could take a while.
If you are someone in a position to do something to change this or prove me wrong I welcome it and would thank you on behalf of those who would like to have the letter.
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The reason they were leaving at the first opportunity was due to the fact that i mentioned that Gulf Air was a gateway to them. no other airline would give them a chance to join except Gulf Air, and when they do get in get the relevant hours and experience and leave, all they do is mock and abuse Gulf Air. Maybe every body has a different way of thanking the airline that gave them an opportunity, i suppose.
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The reason i'm saying this is cause for a fact i know 2 F.O.s that came to Gulf Air about 1 year ago maximum and today one is in Air arabia and the second is soon joining emirates. So pls dont mock Gulf air as a whole. If your case is with GT then it's a different story. this doesnt apply to Gulf Air, even though it's one management.
The reason they were leaving at the first opportunity was due to the fact that i mentioned that Gulf Air was a gateway to them. no other airline would give them a chance to join except Gulf Air, and when they do get in get the relevant hours and experience and leave, all they do is mock and abuse Gulf Air. Maybe every body has a different way of thanking the airline that gave them an opportunity, i suppose.
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The reason i'm saying this is cause for a fact i know 2 F.O.s that came to Gulf Air about 1 year ago maximum and today one is in Air arabia and the second is soon joining emirates. So pls dont mock Gulf air as a whole. If your case is with GT then it's a different story. this doesnt apply to Gulf Air, even though it's one management.
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