Serious Drugs.can He Make It?
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gidday Northern
Thank you for the latest post. If he does go to an AME and confronts about his addiction to him, would he be given the medical? Likely not. Anyways, I have told him to stay out of medical for another year. He hasnt done anything foolish for the past few weeks and like you guys, I would want to give him more time to be sure that he "has" changed and that he isnt missing out on his "once-favorite" drugs.
Addiction is something that never got into me, Thank god. Oh hang on, just coke.love it when its chilled!
Take care guys
Richie
Thank you for the latest post. If he does go to an AME and confronts about his addiction to him, would he be given the medical? Likely not. Anyways, I have told him to stay out of medical for another year. He hasnt done anything foolish for the past few weeks and like you guys, I would want to give him more time to be sure that he "has" changed and that he isnt missing out on his "once-favorite" drugs.
Addiction is something that never got into me, Thank god. Oh hang on, just coke.love it when its chilled!
Take care guys
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I think that regular use of cannabis is incompatible with professional flying. Alcohol use is reasonably quantifiable
Whats the difference.
Go out drink 5 pints of lager. Get up the next day sober go flying.
Smoke 3 joints. Get up the next day sober go flying.
Can't really see the difference as long as you are sober no difference
Whats the difference.
Go out drink 5 pints of lager. Get up the next day sober go flying.
Smoke 3 joints. Get up the next day sober go flying.
Can't really see the difference as long as you are sober no difference
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RR - The final decision is obviously up to you and your friend....
but firstly, would talk to an aviation qualified doc, and find out the best course of action to take. You dont necessarily have to do the whole medical first time around. The docs arent only there to do pilot medicals... they are there for the pilots health.
Four mushies huh, mmmm still have a chat.... he may be no worse for wear... and from what you have said.. I wouldnt call him an addict.... I maybe should have specified what I was refering to....
Addiction... a state of dependence, produced by habitual taking of drugs. Strictly speaking, the term implies the state of physical dependence induced by such drugs as morphine, heroine, and alcohol, but it is also used for the state of pschological dependence, produced by drugs such as barbiturates. Treatment is aimed at gradual withdrawal of the drug and eventually total abstination. (Oxford Medical Dictionary)
When I mentioned "User" it is more in reference to a social use... like someone would enjoy dip with crackers at a party... because they like the taste, in this case the effect of the substance ingested.
If your friend finds he gets along with the doc, keep him as part of the team. I know of a few pilots who werent shy about having a joint or two on a weekly social night, and go flying drunk, and half stoned at 5 - 6am the following morning. They knew they could get away with it. (Police road cars usually knocked off 5-30 to 6am to finalise paperwork before 7 am shift change...)
A certain well known theorist came up with... "for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction"... it doesnt only apply to the laws of physics.
As a general rule of thumb, these guys were social users by definition, but highly irresponsible by habit. One of those young chappies is rather dead. Died in a drink driving accident. So you see, its not the drugs which are the focus of the main issues, it all comes down to his attitude toward himself, the law and his fellow humans.
but firstly, would talk to an aviation qualified doc, and find out the best course of action to take. You dont necessarily have to do the whole medical first time around. The docs arent only there to do pilot medicals... they are there for the pilots health.
Four mushies huh, mmmm still have a chat.... he may be no worse for wear... and from what you have said.. I wouldnt call him an addict.... I maybe should have specified what I was refering to....
Addiction... a state of dependence, produced by habitual taking of drugs. Strictly speaking, the term implies the state of physical dependence induced by such drugs as morphine, heroine, and alcohol, but it is also used for the state of pschological dependence, produced by drugs such as barbiturates. Treatment is aimed at gradual withdrawal of the drug and eventually total abstination. (Oxford Medical Dictionary)
When I mentioned "User" it is more in reference to a social use... like someone would enjoy dip with crackers at a party... because they like the taste, in this case the effect of the substance ingested.
If your friend finds he gets along with the doc, keep him as part of the team. I know of a few pilots who werent shy about having a joint or two on a weekly social night, and go flying drunk, and half stoned at 5 - 6am the following morning. They knew they could get away with it. (Police road cars usually knocked off 5-30 to 6am to finalise paperwork before 7 am shift change...)
A certain well known theorist came up with... "for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction"... it doesnt only apply to the laws of physics.
As a general rule of thumb, these guys were social users by definition, but highly irresponsible by habit. One of those young chappies is rather dead. Died in a drink driving accident. So you see, its not the drugs which are the focus of the main issues, it all comes down to his attitude toward himself, the law and his fellow humans.
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Gidday Northern Chique
Another big thanks to you for your informative post. I will forward a copy of the thread to him tomorrow. I suppose I have lenghthen the post and trust me, I didnt want to bug you guys with this. I am truly grateful that you have taken the time to reply to my questions questionssssssssss)
And last thing. Northern, he was nevery dependant on Mushies. He could go without it anytime he wants. Lets just hope that the guy grows up and does something constructive in life.
Richie
Another big thanks to you for your informative post. I will forward a copy of the thread to him tomorrow. I suppose I have lenghthen the post and trust me, I didnt want to bug you guys with this. I am truly grateful that you have taken the time to reply to my questions questionssssssssss)
And last thing. Northern, he was nevery dependant on Mushies. He could go without it anytime he wants. Lets just hope that the guy grows up and does something constructive in life.
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Richie, your friend needs to be a bit careful asking an AME for advice about his drug issue. The AME will take notes and if your friend subsequently then does a medical through that doctor there will be a record of that conversation. Notes taken by an AME as part of a aviation medical do not have priviledge.
Have a look at Madinthehead's posting on Career prospects after anti depressants thread to see how easy it is to be caught up in the system. I'd have thought discussing your drug problem with an AME would be tantamount to putting your head in the lion's mouth.
Have a look at Madinthehead's posting on Career prospects after anti depressants thread to see how easy it is to be caught up in the system. I'd have thought discussing your drug problem with an AME would be tantamount to putting your head in the lion's mouth.
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weed n booze
There are lots of guys who do weed, and lots more who do booze. The trick is not to get caught. I don't condone either.
I think your buddy should go for his medical. Chances are this will not show up on his test after 3 months.
I think your buddy should go for his medical. Chances are this will not show up on his test after 3 months.
Personally, the majority of drug use at all has implications on your ability to do any job. Even a few aspirins to shake a headache can result in an adverse reaction. Obviously this is an extreme case but worth a mention. I don't drink or do drugs of any kind and that’s my personal choice, I like to think I can enjoy my self without drinking and taking drugs. Another plus is when you’re out late with your mates and they have been drinking, the next day you just feel tired, they have a hang over 
. Just my two cents.
. Just my two cents.
