high cholesterol
Strange reply from a couple of pilots
Sudden death - ie a myocardial event or a massive stroke - remains one of the commonest causes of death under 60. In a ten year study of many thousand fit middle aged people statins reduced the number of deaths
Given the navel gazing that happens on this site about rare or inconsequential medical issues it seems amazing that you are quite so blaze over a chance to safely reduce risk. A current thread is about paying thousands of pounds on insurance policies......
Of course Mr Osbourne is delighted as sudden death is cheap and occurs before people draw their pension of become dependant on the state.
Sudden death - ie a myocardial event or a massive stroke - remains one of the commonest causes of death under 60. In a ten year study of many thousand fit middle aged people statins reduced the number of deaths
Given the navel gazing that happens on this site about rare or inconsequential medical issues it seems amazing that you are quite so blaze over a chance to safely reduce risk. A current thread is about paying thousands of pounds on insurance policies......
Of course Mr Osbourne is delighted as sudden death is cheap and occurs before people draw their pension of become dependant on the state.
Have you had your Thyroid Function checked as there is a collar action between Thyroid Function and Cholesterol levels, in that, poor Thyroid function leads to an increased Cholesterol level.
Join Date: Feb 1998
Location: Formerly of Nam
Posts: 1,595
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Dunno if these wondrous statin thingys are all beer and skittles -
Mayo Clinic - statin side effects.
Mayo Clinic - statin side effects.
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Kettering
Age: 49
Posts: 171
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Statins do reduce everyone's risk of death. Only the risk of death due to atherosclerotic disease though. If your risk from this is tiny then the benefit is even smaller, hence the need to take everything into account in deciding what the risk is. They may, in some limited people, have a higher incidence of causing death by side effects than their improvement in your coronary risk and so in that case, your total risk of death goes up. Simple maths and statistics when you drill it down
That said, simple statistics will tell you that the average human has slightly fewer than one breast and one testicle and that 50% of all doctors are below average!
That said, simple statistics will tell you that the average human has slightly fewer than one breast and one testicle and that 50% of all doctors are below average!
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: East Midlands
Age: 84
Posts: 1,511
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Statins - Benefits v Side effects
I am only asking for opinions here! My partner is in her late 70s, her cholesterol count is 6.2 and I think she may have a genetic tendency to elevated cholesterol levels (not Caucasian). She is taking statins (10mg) and is racked with joint pains. I am wondering if she needs to look at the risk balance between being pain free (giving them up) or living longer with pain (take them)
Additionally, her GP told her that if she did give them up she was at a high risk of suffering a heart attack. Is that a proven risk?
Additionally, her GP told her that if she did give them up she was at a high risk of suffering a heart attack. Is that a proven risk?
Last edited by A2QFI; 7th Apr 2012 at 09:36.
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Sth Bucks UK
Age: 60
Posts: 927
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Two years ago I had to start taking a new medication for a condition that I've had for 20 years (ankylosing spondilitis; inflammation of the joints) and I have to have regular blood tests to ensure that the meds aren't harming my liver. At that time my cholesterol was 6.1 which is on the high side but both my parents had high cholesterol.
Recently I had another blood test and got a letter from my GP saying that it was now 8.1 and is very serious.
I sent him this:
Dear Dr
I was quite shocked to hear that my cholesterol has gone up so much!
I do not and never have smoked.
I take regular strenuous excercise (squash three times per week)
I eat fairly healthily avoiding junk and fried food and always discard the
fat from any meat.
I eat very little in the way of cream, cheese, margerine etc.
I consume alcohol only occasionally and then mostly red wine.
I have consumed more salad in the last two years than I have in my whole
life and am two stone lighter than I was two years ago and quite frankly
have never felt better!
It is somewhat demoralising therefore to find that I must take steps to
curtail even further such excesses that I might allow myself!
Perhaps the fact that both my parents suffer(ed) from high cholesterol
means that I am genetically pre-disposed to the condition?
I fear that further modification to my dietary intake might render me
susceptible to other more serious medical conditions such as hunger and
misery!
I was disappointed not to have recieved a reply!
Recently I had another blood test and got a letter from my GP saying that it was now 8.1 and is very serious.
I sent him this:
Dear Dr
I was quite shocked to hear that my cholesterol has gone up so much!
I do not and never have smoked.
I take regular strenuous excercise (squash three times per week)
I eat fairly healthily avoiding junk and fried food and always discard the
fat from any meat.
I eat very little in the way of cream, cheese, margerine etc.
I consume alcohol only occasionally and then mostly red wine.
I have consumed more salad in the last two years than I have in my whole
life and am two stone lighter than I was two years ago and quite frankly
have never felt better!
It is somewhat demoralising therefore to find that I must take steps to
curtail even further such excesses that I might allow myself!
Perhaps the fact that both my parents suffer(ed) from high cholesterol
means that I am genetically pre-disposed to the condition?
I fear that further modification to my dietary intake might render me
susceptible to other more serious medical conditions such as hunger and
misery!
I was disappointed not to have recieved a reply!
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: retired
Age: 63
Posts: 9
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Just did the 5 yearly OZ Class 1 and got an email from my GP, saying that i might be interested in coming in for a chat about my HIGH CHOLESTEROL LEVEL! I cannot wait to see him!
Bugger, i guess this means that my 500 gram steak dinners with all the fat left on, bacon and five egg breakfasts are all over. Was wondering how long this high protein, low carb eating was going to last?
Oh well, it looks like a lot more fish and rabbit food from now on!
Oh, i swim a km/day and walk 3 km/day as well. I guess, no matter how much excercise one does, if one eats enough of the bad stuff, its got to catch up on day. In my case, it took 45 years!
Slasher, have another red wine mate!
regards to all
c3
Bugger, i guess this means that my 500 gram steak dinners with all the fat left on, bacon and five egg breakfasts are all over. Was wondering how long this high protein, low carb eating was going to last?
Oh well, it looks like a lot more fish and rabbit food from now on!
Oh, i swim a km/day and walk 3 km/day as well. I guess, no matter how much excercise one does, if one eats enough of the bad stuff, its got to catch up on day. In my case, it took 45 years!
Slasher, have another red wine mate!
regards to all
c3
Join Date: Feb 1998
Location: Formerly of Nam
Posts: 1,595
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
In my case, it took 45 years!
So c3 your were wolfing 500 gram steak dinners with all the
fat left on and bacon and five egg breakfasts since you were 6?
You shoulda been having your Fruit Loops and a teaspoonful
of Agorol like the rest of us mate. But then we was poor and
couldn't afford any of them real posh brekkies and dinners -
which probly helped in having lower chostelerol in me later
life.
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: retired
Age: 63
Posts: 9
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Lol Slash, in my case, the age 51 is a little bit of vanity plus a few! Oh that oil we used to be forced fed....i think we might be of the same era?
Bugger me,(no pun intended) Lipitor huh? I hope it doesnt have the same side effects as Xenical= yukky orange coloured oil (suposedly fat) when released via the plumbing. I cant bear to go through that slippery path again, (pun intended).
The levels were indeed high. I got a 13 according to my doc and apparently if i had gotten any higher, the CASA boys would demand a STRESS ECG!
Well, i am sufficiently scared, and am doing something about it. Vegetables (5 of them) daily, and white meat only...still swimming and walking..another lipids scheduled in two months......I must admit that in 1 week, i have lost a half kilo, so if anything, my vanity is being pleasured!
Oh yeah, your not poor anymore Slash. I remember you telling me on pprune chat (i was known by another pseudo then) many years ago that you were beginning to accumulate AUD with your hard earned USD....I wish i had have listened to your advice (not that you offered) because since then the AUD has well and truly almost doubled against the USD!
Bugger me,(no pun intended) Lipitor huh? I hope it doesnt have the same side effects as Xenical= yukky orange coloured oil (suposedly fat) when released via the plumbing. I cant bear to go through that slippery path again, (pun intended).
The levels were indeed high. I got a 13 according to my doc and apparently if i had gotten any higher, the CASA boys would demand a STRESS ECG!
Well, i am sufficiently scared, and am doing something about it. Vegetables (5 of them) daily, and white meat only...still swimming and walking..another lipids scheduled in two months......I must admit that in 1 week, i have lost a half kilo, so if anything, my vanity is being pleasured!
Oh yeah, your not poor anymore Slash. I remember you telling me on pprune chat (i was known by another pseudo then) many years ago that you were beginning to accumulate AUD with your hard earned USD....I wish i had have listened to your advice (not that you offered) because since then the AUD has well and truly almost doubled against the USD!
Join Date: Feb 1998
Location: Formerly of Nam
Posts: 1,595
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Oh that oil we used to be forced fed..
so you went off to sleep with your mouth tasting like a bloody
fish trawler that hadn't been cleaned out in years. Agarol was
the white muck (and equally foul-tasting) that helped us ****
normally during the day.
Fruit Loops helped clear your mouth of that early-morning stench
of fish before it was assaulted with Agarol, which caused you to
guzzle down the school milk that'd been left out in the sun to rot
all morning.
Am still holding them AUDs too - bought up more ****loads in
2008.
Bloo*y Minefield, that's the problem with drugs like this. Some say the doctor's are peddling them because of the kickbacks they get from the drugs companies.
Then you drill down into the maths of the statistics. Yes they do save lives, but about 0.1% of all those at risk are saved. 3% of all those on the drug suffer unacceptable side effects.
Then you look at the level for almost compulsory taking of statins in England (5.2 or greater) but for Wales it is greater than 5.0.??? What happens if you are 5.1 and live in Cheshire
I have worked my way thru all of the statins with my 5.2 level (living in Wales) and everyone of them gave me side effects: Mainly aching joints, but almost all of them gave me "woolly thinking". Not able to focus clearly / always a little clouded with my decision making (not good whilst flying, I would suggest). When I stopped taking them, the memory/thought processes recovered insantaneously. The annoying thing with all of this was that when I went back each and everytime to explain these effects to my GP (each time was a different GP), they either dismissed the ailments or told me they would settle. They didn't so I came off them of my own accord. Working hard now to take the edge of my results with dietry change, but struggling.
I think overall there is merit in taking them, but the jury is still out about the true benefits Vs the side effects.
Atleast - in Wales, they are free!
Then you drill down into the maths of the statistics. Yes they do save lives, but about 0.1% of all those at risk are saved. 3% of all those on the drug suffer unacceptable side effects.
Then you look at the level for almost compulsory taking of statins in England (5.2 or greater) but for Wales it is greater than 5.0.??? What happens if you are 5.1 and live in Cheshire
I have worked my way thru all of the statins with my 5.2 level (living in Wales) and everyone of them gave me side effects: Mainly aching joints, but almost all of them gave me "woolly thinking". Not able to focus clearly / always a little clouded with my decision making (not good whilst flying, I would suggest). When I stopped taking them, the memory/thought processes recovered insantaneously. The annoying thing with all of this was that when I went back each and everytime to explain these effects to my GP (each time was a different GP), they either dismissed the ailments or told me they would settle. They didn't so I came off them of my own accord. Working hard now to take the edge of my results with dietry change, but struggling.
I think overall there is merit in taking them, but the jury is still out about the true benefits Vs the side effects.
Atleast - in Wales, they are free!
Thomas coupling,TC, apt moniker abbreviation for this subject!
I often wonder which 'hat' those total cholesterol figures are pulled out of!
The graph in the link below shows figures from 2005 WHO statistics from 164 countries, plotting TC against mortality. Curiously the 'best' TC level relative to all cases mortality seems to be between 5.2 and 6.2 (200-240)
(click on graph to enlarge)
http://perfecthealthdiet.com/wp/wp-c...holesterol.jpg
I often wonder which 'hat' those total cholesterol figures are pulled out of!
The graph in the link below shows figures from 2005 WHO statistics from 164 countries, plotting TC against mortality. Curiously the 'best' TC level relative to all cases mortality seems to be between 5.2 and 6.2 (200-240)
(click on graph to enlarge)
http://perfecthealthdiet.com/wp/wp-c...holesterol.jpg
TC
If you think you have slide effects stop the drugs. It is a free world. Luckily most people either don't have them or find alternatives
The cholesterol level is irrelevant. Health administrators with no medical training may need them for targets but scientifically they are of little value around the normal range
But please don't be silly and suggest doctors get kickbacks from drug companies. That went out 20 years ago. Nowadays any drug company or doctor found breaking the rules would be unemployed for life. I just find it offensive coming from someone like you
If you think you have slide effects stop the drugs. It is a free world. Luckily most people either don't have them or find alternatives
The cholesterol level is irrelevant. Health administrators with no medical training may need them for targets but scientifically they are of little value around the normal range
But please don't be silly and suggest doctors get kickbacks from drug companies. That went out 20 years ago. Nowadays any drug company or doctor found breaking the rules would be unemployed for life. I just find it offensive coming from someone like you
Homo...
I suspect you are a doc, you act like one (righteous and supercilious).
One: Read carefully - I did stop taking the drugs.
Two: The TC level is not irrelevant, it has become a religion for doctor's to practice with. It is dispensed like sweets. Over a third of the population takes it - very few understand it....believe me it is NOT irrelevant.
Three: By kickbacks, I mean gifts/hospitality tricks these drug companies get up to to assist the practice to dispense one drug or another. It goes on - don't tell me otherwise.
And this coming from "someone like"...me.....what does that infer then doc?
I suspect you are a doc, you act like one (righteous and supercilious).
One: Read carefully - I did stop taking the drugs.
Two: The TC level is not irrelevant, it has become a religion for doctor's to practice with. It is dispensed like sweets. Over a third of the population takes it - very few understand it....believe me it is NOT irrelevant.
Three: By kickbacks, I mean gifts/hospitality tricks these drug companies get up to to assist the practice to dispense one drug or another. It goes on - don't tell me otherwise.
And this coming from "someone like"...me.....what does that infer then doc?
