I think they call it 'scare in the community' ?!
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I think they call it 'scare in the community' ?!
This is what a nutter (imho) did to a CityFlyer hostie: Terror on flight BA8106
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This is why I had a smile when I read about the teenaged pax who went off his rocker on an aircraft over the USA and was given his just deserts by the other PAX, that is he was terminated.
Now Im sure all the liberal lawyers and the likes will wet themselves over this, and all the do-gooders will be on the side of this animal. Well, tough! If he had been likewise killed by other PAX or an Air Marshall or other crew member defending the stewardess, I for one would happily live knowing that one of this type of scum had been eliminated. We do not need this kind of dangerous person in society.
My rules are quite simple. The rights of decent, law-abiding citizens, be they PAX on aircraft, cabin or flight-deck crew, shoppers, people driving the roads, etc, etc, etc, come first. Murderers, homicidal lunatics, terrorists, hijackers, muggers, are to me outlaws and whatever nastiness happens to them as a consequence of their actions is of no concern to me whatsoever.
My total sympathies to this poor stewardess and I hope her physical scars heal, the emotional and mental ones are likely to last far longer unfortunately.
Now Im sure that the resident liberal intellectuals will condemn what I have written and even indulge in their debating society tricks. To them I repeat the words of Rhett Butler in Gone With The Wind. "Frankly, I dont give a damn!"
Now Im sure all the liberal lawyers and the likes will wet themselves over this, and all the do-gooders will be on the side of this animal. Well, tough! If he had been likewise killed by other PAX or an Air Marshall or other crew member defending the stewardess, I for one would happily live knowing that one of this type of scum had been eliminated. We do not need this kind of dangerous person in society.
My rules are quite simple. The rights of decent, law-abiding citizens, be they PAX on aircraft, cabin or flight-deck crew, shoppers, people driving the roads, etc, etc, etc, come first. Murderers, homicidal lunatics, terrorists, hijackers, muggers, are to me outlaws and whatever nastiness happens to them as a consequence of their actions is of no concern to me whatsoever.
My total sympathies to this poor stewardess and I hope her physical scars heal, the emotional and mental ones are likely to last far longer unfortunately.
Now Im sure that the resident liberal intellectuals will condemn what I have written and even indulge in their debating society tricks. To them I repeat the words of Rhett Butler in Gone With The Wind. "Frankly, I dont give a damn!"
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I have just one question - where were the scissors from? - Don't they screen both passengers and their cabin bags before boarding their flights in the Northern Hemisphere/EU - or is this now such a flagrant abuse of their human rights/privacy?
TG, I'd be interested to hear more about the incident in the 'States - sounds like "Natural Justice" in action - got any further details?
TG, I'd be interested to hear more about the incident in the 'States - sounds like "Natural Justice" in action - got any further details?
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Your url didn't work, it showed a story about a guy in the floods. I searched the site and found the page here.
And what about this .. "Chichester Crown Court heard the 91 passengers were placed in even more danger when the co-pilot had to land the plane alone after the captain sat next to Mason to try and keep him calm."
Dangerous things, those co-pilots!
Bob
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And what about this .. "Chichester Crown Court heard the 91 passengers were placed in even more danger when the co-pilot had to land the plane alone after the captain sat next to Mason to try and keep him calm."
Dangerous things, those co-pilots!
Bob
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AYLGR, I'm not sure what's happened to the link refered to at the top of this page, it did work ?
Ok, instead try this: http://www.thisisbrightonandhove.co....ws/NEWS11.html
Now if you don't see the picture of somebodies neck with cuts on it, then use the search facility (top right corner) on the site it takes you to and look for phrase 'city flyer' (don't forget the space between each word) - I did just that, and it worked fine.
Ok, instead try this: http://www.thisisbrightonandhove.co....ws/NEWS11.html
Now if you don't see the picture of somebodies neck with cuts on it, then use the search facility (top right corner) on the site it takes you to and look for phrase 'city flyer' (don't forget the space between each word) - I did just that, and it worked fine.
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Look for the thread about teenaged PAX not killed by heart attack. Its a long thread, ceased about 7 days ago, lots of heated exchanges between me and various sad liberal bast***s who felt sorry for the dead idiot. I got fed up with their do-gooder bull**** and stopped posting there having stated my case.
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Well this is my first post on PPrune and I get the feeling I'm not going to be too popular on this thread. I am going to upset some of you here and admit that I am a 'do-gooder'.
If, by making the suggestion that the man appears to have been lacking all of his mental faculties and was therefore less than entirely responsible for his actions I am seen as a 'do-gooder' then so be it.
If you went out tomorrow morning, crashed your car or aircraft, sustained head injuries, and as a result later behaved in an irrational manner and commited a crime, would one suggest that it was reasonable that one should be punished? How can you punish someone that does not know he is doing or has done something wrong?
If you knew he was a pilot who had seen action in say, Vietnam or the Falklands and was suffering from PTSD I doubt there would be quite the 'hang 'em high' attitude amongst you. Thats always the problem though isn't it ? It's okay to be gung ho with justice so long as you aren't the individual involved, don't know him or are in possession of little or no fact regarding the individual in question.
If, by making the suggestion that the man appears to have been lacking all of his mental faculties and was therefore less than entirely responsible for his actions I am seen as a 'do-gooder' then so be it.
If you went out tomorrow morning, crashed your car or aircraft, sustained head injuries, and as a result later behaved in an irrational manner and commited a crime, would one suggest that it was reasonable that one should be punished? How can you punish someone that does not know he is doing or has done something wrong?
If you knew he was a pilot who had seen action in say, Vietnam or the Falklands and was suffering from PTSD I doubt there would be quite the 'hang 'em high' attitude amongst you. Thats always the problem though isn't it ? It's okay to be gung ho with justice so long as you aren't the individual involved, don't know him or are in possession of little or no fact regarding the individual in question.
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First I am not a 'do gooder'.
Humesagod - could not agree more.
Tartan Gannet - you, believe it or not are just as likely to suffer from mental illness as anyone else. In fact just under 50% of all people will suffer from a diagnosable mental illness at some time in their lives. I am not usually vindictive - but I hope you are one of them because then, and only then, you will understand that attitudes like yours have no place in modern society.
Humesagod - could not agree more.
Tartan Gannet - you, believe it or not are just as likely to suffer from mental illness as anyone else. In fact just under 50% of all people will suffer from a diagnosable mental illness at some time in their lives. I am not usually vindictive - but I hope you are one of them because then, and only then, you will understand that attitudes like yours have no place in modern society.
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Now just suppose that I just happened to come around to your place and slit your wifes/kids/dogs throat - whilst the balance of my mind was not quite what it should be. Following your bleeding-heart liberal logic through, this would be ok then ?!
Eg. There's that bloke who bludgeoned the mother and her daughter to death (the other daughter only just survived), then there was that black fella who went in to the school in London with a Machette, then there was the bloke with the gun in Hungerford, and the other one at that school in Dunblaine.
Never mind, they were just mad, so that's alright then !
Just how many of these dangerous bastards are out roaming the community ?
Get a life, nutters should be in the nut house - and they would be too except that MaggieT closed them with cut-backs.
Eg. There's that bloke who bludgeoned the mother and her daughter to death (the other daughter only just survived), then there was that black fella who went in to the school in London with a Machette, then there was the bloke with the gun in Hungerford, and the other one at that school in Dunblaine.
Never mind, they were just mad, so that's alright then !
Just how many of these dangerous bastards are out roaming the community ?
Get a life, nutters should be in the nut house - and they would be too except that MaggieT closed them with cut-backs.
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Me too, I'n a do-gooder and proud of it. What do you want - a do-badder?
However, I can't disagree with Dr. Johnson, who said "if a madman with a stick came into the room, I should knock him down first and pity him afterwards".
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However, I can't disagree with Dr. Johnson, who said "if a madman with a stick came into the room, I should knock him down first and pity him afterwards".
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TGannet,
You jump to conclusions. However much you'd like to think that I "ain't your folk", I am in fact!
At least when it comes to air rage. I am currently involved in the first civil legal procedures my comp has ever started against an air rager. Because like you, I believe people should be held accountable for their actions. And not let off scott free because there was some wishy-washy reason for them to become upset.
I just don't hold with calling people bad names on pprune when they choose to exercise their right to disagree with you or me.
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You jump to conclusions. However much you'd like to think that I "ain't your folk", I am in fact!
At least when it comes to air rage. I am currently involved in the first civil legal procedures my comp has ever started against an air rager. Because like you, I believe people should be held accountable for their actions. And not let off scott free because there was some wishy-washy reason for them to become upset.
I just don't hold with calling people bad names on pprune when they choose to exercise their right to disagree with you or me.
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Tartan Gannet!
We need more peolpe like you!
People with easy solutions for the problems
of our society.
so, come and join us ! You are welcome!
sincerely yours
Gary Lauck
We need more peolpe like you!
People with easy solutions for the problems
of our society.
so, come and join us ! You are welcome!
sincerely yours
Gary Lauck
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None of you has actually answered my question. How can you punish a mind that isn't guilty? If the guy involved has some mental problem then okay, he should perhaps be sent for treatment, but it would be ridiculous to suggest that punishment would have any positive result. By the way, some of you really need to take a look at the definition and theories of liberalism.
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enginefailure -
Join who? The Neo-Nazi party? Well I think TG would be welcome with you if that is your organisation. That's the only place where his views would be welcome today.
For the rest of you who are not mad, the fact is that mental illness is a very serious problem in our society and affects far more people than you would be led to believe - including many pilots. Since the subject has been raised, those of you who are interested please read my thread on the subject:
http://www.pprune.org/ubb/NonCGI/For...ML/000042.html
If TG and enginefailure had their way then we would see vigilante beatings and murders of people with mental health problems. Fortunately their sort are a dying breed. And I state again - I hope that they suffer from mental illness because then they would realise it can happen to anyone. Furthermore I think their views would change on the subject when they were the ones receiving the mob beatings. I take it they would have done the same to Winston Churchill when he was suffering from depression? And many other famous personalites who have suffered as well?
Finally - I am not for one minute suggesting that people with serious mental health problems should be allowed to roam freely in society - of course they should be kept in secure accommodation under lock and key where they are not a threat to society - but as already been said on this thread Mrs T did away with all that.
I say again I am not a do gooder - I am a liberal and proud of it. TG and enginefailure - you are wrong, get over it.
Join who? The Neo-Nazi party? Well I think TG would be welcome with you if that is your organisation. That's the only place where his views would be welcome today.
For the rest of you who are not mad, the fact is that mental illness is a very serious problem in our society and affects far more people than you would be led to believe - including many pilots. Since the subject has been raised, those of you who are interested please read my thread on the subject:
http://www.pprune.org/ubb/NonCGI/For...ML/000042.html
If TG and enginefailure had their way then we would see vigilante beatings and murders of people with mental health problems. Fortunately their sort are a dying breed. And I state again - I hope that they suffer from mental illness because then they would realise it can happen to anyone. Furthermore I think their views would change on the subject when they were the ones receiving the mob beatings. I take it they would have done the same to Winston Churchill when he was suffering from depression? And many other famous personalites who have suffered as well?
Finally - I am not for one minute suggesting that people with serious mental health problems should be allowed to roam freely in society - of course they should be kept in secure accommodation under lock and key where they are not a threat to society - but as already been said on this thread Mrs T did away with all that.
I say again I am not a do gooder - I am a liberal and proud of it. TG and enginefailure - you are wrong, get over it.
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Hey sid555, cool down!
next time i will write:
"CAUTION ! The following lines are a joke !"
I'm not a little bit with Tartan,
i just thaught that his contributions
qualify him as a new member for all
those no-brainers like NSDAP/AO or KKK.
I hope, that was clear enough now !!!
cheers
ef
next time i will write:
"CAUTION ! The following lines are a joke !"
I'm not a little bit with Tartan,
i just thaught that his contributions
qualify him as a new member for all
those no-brainers like NSDAP/AO or KKK.
I hope, that was clear enough now !!!
cheers
ef
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Does it really need discusissing that people with a mental illness have a right to protection in civilized society? Most if us would not disagree with that, not even hardliners like TG, I think.
The problem seems to me to be the fact that sometimes a possible mental illness is being used as an excuse for unacceptable behaviour. In these cases, behaviour that potentially or in fact harms others present on the same aircraft. And that in many of these cases, those that caused real danger and physical harm to other people, are let off lightly due their mental problems. Without recieving either treatment or punishment.
And as a footnote: if I have to choose between the well being of one mentally disturbed patient on "my" ac, or the safety of the ac and it's pax and crew, I will choose the latter. Even if that means physically or mentally damaging the air rager in question.
No doubt about it!
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The problem seems to me to be the fact that sometimes a possible mental illness is being used as an excuse for unacceptable behaviour. In these cases, behaviour that potentially or in fact harms others present on the same aircraft. And that in many of these cases, those that caused real danger and physical harm to other people, are let off lightly due their mental problems. Without recieving either treatment or punishment.
And as a footnote: if I have to choose between the well being of one mentally disturbed patient on "my" ac, or the safety of the ac and it's pax and crew, I will choose the latter. Even if that means physically or mentally damaging the air rager in question.
No doubt about it!
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Singularly Simple Person........