Airsick child help pls??
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I've got a surfboard, and AME flies planes
And I have my caravan and am able to fly a Cessna 152 (and a DA40TDi when it's up and running)
there is NOT a pill for all ills . . . . . . .
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I'd avoid drugs if I could
Strongly agree with Gingernut again - it's becoming a habit !
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I'd avoid drugs if I could
Strongly agree with Gingernut again - it's becoming a habit !
Shouldn't have to spell it out lads!
For your information, I am NOT a lad - or at least I wasn't when I last checked.
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Amateur prescribing? Since when was this a doctors and chemists forum?? I was making a mere suggestion! She's looking for suggestions or recommendations.
I'm sure she's not going to take everyone's piece of advice as something to swear by, far out old man you really need to lighten up a little!
Can't someone make a suggestion around here with out an old fart blowing up about it??
I'm sure she's not going to take everyone's piece of advice as something to swear by, far out old man you really need to lighten up a little!
Can't someone make a suggestion around here with out an old fart blowing up about it??
that's barely worth rising to . . . . . . . .
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Of course it is! Take everything light-heartedly because life's to short to take **** seriously!
Hence the "chill pill"
If this young lady really wanted serious advice, she's see a doctor, of which she's already done.
There's no need to fire up like Wombat has.
Hence the "chill pill"
If this young lady really wanted serious advice, she's see a doctor, of which she's already done.
There's no need to fire up like Wombat has.
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back to basics . . . . . . . . .
She just gets it in her head she's going to be sick, and lo and behold up she chucks, right on cue as we're climbing
. . . . . . . . and distraction is equally important in overcoming it.
If only " 9 / 11 " hadn't happened ! I would venture to suggest that a
child such as this would be likely to be "cured" by even a short jump-seat ride ! Just so much to see and hear and do ! !
Could someone at a local flying club take her for a whirl ? Would be likely to be just as effective . . . .
Not forgetting, of course, the ginger, and the other distractions !
I'm not sure if its a matter of chiling, but....
seems pretty prescrptive to me.
To make such a "suggestion," without assessing the patient, is more dangerous than helpful.
2 x Phernergan 30 mins prior to flight.
To make such a "suggestion," without assessing the patient, is more dangerous than helpful.
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My wife suffered from airsickness. It made flying together an unpleasant experience, and airsickness tablets tended to cause drowsiness - so , she was either spewing, or sleeping.
I got her a 'Relief Band' and she now flies without airsickness, and with no side effects.
ReliefBand® -
In my experience, it has proven to be quite effective.
Good luck.
PS I just noticed there was a safety warning to keep out oif reach of children...but I figure if your child is using it, it will be under your supervision.
I got her a 'Relief Band' and she now flies without airsickness, and with no side effects.
ReliefBand® -
In my experience, it has proven to be quite effective.
Good luck.
PS I just noticed there was a safety warning to keep out oif reach of children...but I figure if your child is using it, it will be under your supervision.
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I'm not sure if its a matter of chiling, but....
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2 x Phernergan 30 mins prior to flight.
seems pretty prescrptive to me.
To make such a "suggestion," without assessing the patient, is more dangerous than helpful.
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2 x Phernergan 30 mins prior to flight.
seems pretty prescrptive to me.
To make such a "suggestion," without assessing the patient, is more dangerous than helpful.
Seriously, I hope to god you're not a pilot because if you're taking what I'm saying so seriously then I'd had to think who else you're taking advice from.
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Oh and gingernut, I'm assuming you're also directing your comment towards everyone who's made a "suggestion" without assessing the patient. So really this whole thread should basically be deleted.
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OK everyone, just settle down. Just remember that not everyone here offers a qualified opinion, hence if you look at the top of the page it says, "Any information gleaned from this forum MUST be backed up by consulting your state-registered health professional or AME".
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non-pharmaceutical intervention . . . . . .
I got her a 'Relief Band' and she now flies without airsickness
MOST importantly - NONE of the potential hazards of phenothiazines.
Period.
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let GOOD medicine thrive . . . . . . .
OK everyone, just settle down
And it won't need to be an international call.
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Originally Posted by Atishoo
DONT delete my post please !!!
IF you guys wanna fight n bicker do it on another thread. I just want info on how to calm my kid. Thankyou
IF you guys wanna fight n bicker do it on another thread. I just want info on how to calm my kid. Thankyou
I'm sure one of the many hundreds of pilots here could help you out in some way or another.
You'll be right, you're probably worrying to much about it and she'll be right as rain.
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A few observations and questions,
I'm no psychologist, but I am a parent. I would advise against the expectation that any particular thing is going to 'cure' her.
As it is a repeating pattern, she may be as wound up about letting you down, by being sick, as the flight itself. If you are setting an objective of 'not being sick' then thats actually going to stress her out even more.
If you get her a band, give her a tablet, whatever, and tell her it will stop her being sick, but it doesn't, then you are in an even worse place than before. Essentially you've ended up lying to her; why should she believe your next suggestion will be any better.
Rather, I would reassure her that most people feel a bit ill when they start flying, but that almost everyone gets over it. sSme people get over it quickly, some take longer. Remove the expectation that the problem must be solved on the next flight.
Downplay it. Take the position that she will get over it at some point, and there are some things that many people try that may help. "Maybe this will help you - we'll see."
Is she physically tense?
Some people get incredibly tense. As in every opposing muscle pair straining away. The body becomes rigid which, as per madjocks earlier post, changes its response to and transmission of vibrations. Frankly, it makes everything feel a hell of a lot worse. Its also incredibly tiring and impedes your breathing, neither of which helps.
I used to be like that when I started pilot training. I was able to recognise what was going on with me, and started selectively learning to relax parts of my body, e.g. one hand. The relief of not being tense is a powerful positive feedback loop - "Hey - that hand feels good! Now I'm going to relax the whole arm! etc"
So when we say 'sit back and relax' its not a throw away comment, but a direct piece of advice.
Does she react to sudden noises, e.g. gear thumping up, hydraulic pumps starting, toilet flushes etc?
Knowledge is the way forward here. Maybe you can get her to listen out for the gear being raised and tell you when it has been.
Also, given her a task that doesn't involve reading is a good plan. Its best to keep the head alligned naturally with the body. Looking down is a bad idea. You brain interprets your balance from your eyes, from balance organs in the ear, and from sense the accelerations on all of your body (seat of the pants). When they disagree, people tend to feel ill. You're already on a downer in an aircraft, because your eyes (saying you are sitting still in an aircraft) disagree with your ears and seat of the pants. When you reorient your head away from its natural position - twisted down or sideways - you make your balance organs disagree with the 'seat of your pants'.
A window seat may help, a bit of peripheral vision, head forward, keep all three inputs in sync.
Knowing whats coming up also helps. You mention she gets sick very early in the flight. Is maybe the nose pitching down at the start of the acceleration segment perhaps the straw that breaks the camels back? If you explained to her that she is not falling, but rather not going up so quickly perhaps she would find it less scary / vomit inducing. Perhaps a demo in a lift might help.
Also, if you keep an eye out of a window, if you see you are climbing / descending into a cloud layer, especially a fluffy one, let her know there may be some bumps. When they don't come as a nasty surprise you can remind yourself to be relaxed!
Hope this helps.
pb
I'm no psychologist, but I am a parent. I would advise against the expectation that any particular thing is going to 'cure' her.
As it is a repeating pattern, she may be as wound up about letting you down, by being sick, as the flight itself. If you are setting an objective of 'not being sick' then thats actually going to stress her out even more.
If you get her a band, give her a tablet, whatever, and tell her it will stop her being sick, but it doesn't, then you are in an even worse place than before. Essentially you've ended up lying to her; why should she believe your next suggestion will be any better.
Rather, I would reassure her that most people feel a bit ill when they start flying, but that almost everyone gets over it. sSme people get over it quickly, some take longer. Remove the expectation that the problem must be solved on the next flight.
Downplay it. Take the position that she will get over it at some point, and there are some things that many people try that may help. "Maybe this will help you - we'll see."
Is she physically tense?
Some people get incredibly tense. As in every opposing muscle pair straining away. The body becomes rigid which, as per madjocks earlier post, changes its response to and transmission of vibrations. Frankly, it makes everything feel a hell of a lot worse. Its also incredibly tiring and impedes your breathing, neither of which helps.
I used to be like that when I started pilot training. I was able to recognise what was going on with me, and started selectively learning to relax parts of my body, e.g. one hand. The relief of not being tense is a powerful positive feedback loop - "Hey - that hand feels good! Now I'm going to relax the whole arm! etc"
So when we say 'sit back and relax' its not a throw away comment, but a direct piece of advice.
Does she react to sudden noises, e.g. gear thumping up, hydraulic pumps starting, toilet flushes etc?
Knowledge is the way forward here. Maybe you can get her to listen out for the gear being raised and tell you when it has been.
Also, given her a task that doesn't involve reading is a good plan. Its best to keep the head alligned naturally with the body. Looking down is a bad idea. You brain interprets your balance from your eyes, from balance organs in the ear, and from sense the accelerations on all of your body (seat of the pants). When they disagree, people tend to feel ill. You're already on a downer in an aircraft, because your eyes (saying you are sitting still in an aircraft) disagree with your ears and seat of the pants. When you reorient your head away from its natural position - twisted down or sideways - you make your balance organs disagree with the 'seat of your pants'.
A window seat may help, a bit of peripheral vision, head forward, keep all three inputs in sync.
Knowing whats coming up also helps. You mention she gets sick very early in the flight. Is maybe the nose pitching down at the start of the acceleration segment perhaps the straw that breaks the camels back? If you explained to her that she is not falling, but rather not going up so quickly perhaps she would find it less scary / vomit inducing. Perhaps a demo in a lift might help.
Also, if you keep an eye out of a window, if you see you are climbing / descending into a cloud layer, especially a fluffy one, let her know there may be some bumps. When they don't come as a nasty surprise you can remind yourself to be relaxed!
Hope this helps.
pb
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let's see how it works . . . . . . . .
For the very first time since I joined PPruNe, I'm about
to make use of the "ignore" function.
No, friend Gingernut, it will not be you !
to make use of the "ignore" function.
No, friend Gingernut, it will not be you !
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Atishoo, you have a pm.
AME & Gingernut - I've been doing the "ignore" bit since the petty name-calling (a possible sign of a guilty conscience) started, glad to see you are joining me.
AME & Gingernut - I've been doing the "ignore" bit since the petty name-calling (a possible sign of a guilty conscience) started, glad to see you are joining me.
