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AIDS myth
Isn't it about time the medical community took a stand and put paid to the drug company induced, media/talk show host supported myth that is AIDS.
The majority of HIV deaths now are due to liver failure caused by the protease inhibitors taken in massive quantities over an extended period.
http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/sepp...ling_apart.htm
Or google AIDS myth for more.
The majority of HIV deaths now are due to liver failure caused by the protease inhibitors taken in massive quantities over an extended period.
http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/sepp...ling_apart.htm
Or google AIDS myth for more.
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The majority of HIV deaths now are due to liver failure caused by the protease inhibitors taken in massive quantities over an extended period.
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Just all part of the huge lie.
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/dp5/aids.htm
Many Africans participate in perpetuating the myth of an AIDS pandemic in Africa. The huge international funds poured into AIDS and HIV work means that politicians and health workers have a strong incentive to reclassify as AIDS old diseases that have always been endemic in tropical Africa. When African doctors are sent to AIDS conferences around the world, the daily allowance they receive is equal to what they earn in a whole year at home. It has become a joke in Uganda that you are not allowed to die of anything but AIDS. If someone is run over by a truck, doctors have been known to attribute it to AIDS-related suicide!
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Some useful information on AIDS/HIV and the current state of affairs can be found here on the WHO website
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I sort of though about answering, and then I realised that anyone who can sustain this belief, in the face of all the evidence to the contrary, is hardly going to be influenced by me (or the WHO for that matter).
Anyway, whyncha come over here and watch 'em dying, sans benefit of protease inhibitors, but well seasoned with garlic and beetroot (thanks to our Health Minister)?
Bring a bottle of brandy for Thabo (better make it two!) and the pair of you can misquote Yeats to each other
Anyway, whyncha come over here and watch 'em dying, sans benefit of protease inhibitors, but well seasoned with garlic and beetroot (thanks to our Health Minister)?
Bring a bottle of brandy for Thabo (better make it two!) and the pair of you can misquote Yeats to each other
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No, really, Re-entry, is that true?! Thanks for pointing this one out about AIDS and stuff.
I also heard all the Jews working in the Twin Towers were told not to turn up for work that day and that it was Mossad which crashed the planes into them.
It's amazing what you can find out when you really dig.
I also heard all the Jews working in the Twin Towers were told not to turn up for work that day and that it was Mossad which crashed the planes into them.
It's amazing what you can find out when you really dig.
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No, I'm not going to bite ol' sport
First of all I'm a doctor so I have a vested interest supporting the global conspiracy and secondly (you allege) I'm an inebriated alcoholic incapable of reason, so nothing I could say would be worth hearing anyway ('specially since it contradicts your fantasies).
Controversy by all means, but I'm not going to waste my time and Danny's bandwidth arguing with the latest cuckoo conspiracy theorist. Though there is considerable latitude for peripheral matters, PPRuNE is primarily an aviation website and not a platform for misguided people to parade their delusions.
[Definition: A delusion is an unshakable belief in something untrue. These irrational beliefs defy normal reasoning, and remain firm even when overwhelming proof is presented to dispute them. Delusions are often accompanied by hallucinations and/or feelings of paranoia, which act to strengthen confidence in the delusion. Delusions are distinct from culturally or religiously based beliefs that may be seen as untrue by outsiders.]
Somewhat more interesting is why people believe wierd things, and I would encourage curious PPRuNers to read Michael Shermer's book of that title - http://skepdic.com/refuge/weird.html - and - http://www.amazon.com/People-Believe.../dp/0716733870. Michael has a neat summary of the fallacies that lead us to believe wierd things here - http://www.positiveatheism.org/writ/sherm3.htm - that is worth a read.
So no, Re-entry - no game, go and peddle your wares on some other website.
Bye!
First of all I'm a doctor so I have a vested interest supporting the global conspiracy and secondly (you allege) I'm an inebriated alcoholic incapable of reason, so nothing I could say would be worth hearing anyway ('specially since it contradicts your fantasies).
Controversy by all means, but I'm not going to waste my time and Danny's bandwidth arguing with the latest cuckoo conspiracy theorist. Though there is considerable latitude for peripheral matters, PPRuNE is primarily an aviation website and not a platform for misguided people to parade their delusions.
[Definition: A delusion is an unshakable belief in something untrue. These irrational beliefs defy normal reasoning, and remain firm even when overwhelming proof is presented to dispute them. Delusions are often accompanied by hallucinations and/or feelings of paranoia, which act to strengthen confidence in the delusion. Delusions are distinct from culturally or religiously based beliefs that may be seen as untrue by outsiders.]
Somewhat more interesting is why people believe wierd things, and I would encourage curious PPRuNers to read Michael Shermer's book of that title - http://skepdic.com/refuge/weird.html - and - http://www.amazon.com/People-Believe.../dp/0716733870. Michael has a neat summary of the fallacies that lead us to believe wierd things here - http://www.positiveatheism.org/writ/sherm3.htm - that is worth a read.
So no, Re-entry - no game, go and peddle your wares on some other website.
Bye!
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Possibly due to society in general being sympathetic towards coronary disease and cancer but AIDS still carries the 'socially unacceptable' label with it and people being people will still shy away from others they know have AIDS......not many people, even those who have contracted this terrible affliction through no direct actions of their own (and lets not get into an argument about who is and who is not to blame), want to be treated like a leper therefore they would more than likely stay quiet, except to a few very close family members and friends.
Time to get my tin foil hat on.
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Thesis + Antithesis = Synthesis
The above is the Dialectic Process. It's logical. This thread is not--logical that is.
Actually I feel Re-Entry has a point but he hasn't made it very well.
Last year, Harper's Magazine had a very controversial article that basically asserted that HIV doesn't cause AIDS.
Read that carefully.
These people are not suggesting that AIDS does *not* exist but rather that AIDS is *not* caused by the HIV virus.
And I'm not saying I agree with one side or the other but the article did raise my eyebrows.
The basic idea of the article was that the so-called cures (drugs) were literally poisoning the HIV patients and inducing a sickness that we've come to recognize as AIDS.
I don't have a medical background and as far as I'm aware I know no one with HIV or AIDS.
But I'll say this: I don't trust the friggin' pharmaceutical companies any farther than I can throw them.
That's my thesis. Would anyone care to offer an antithesis?
Actually I feel Re-Entry has a point but he hasn't made it very well.
Last year, Harper's Magazine had a very controversial article that basically asserted that HIV doesn't cause AIDS.
Read that carefully.
These people are not suggesting that AIDS does *not* exist but rather that AIDS is *not* caused by the HIV virus.
And I'm not saying I agree with one side or the other but the article did raise my eyebrows.
The basic idea of the article was that the so-called cures (drugs) were literally poisoning the HIV patients and inducing a sickness that we've come to recognize as AIDS.
I don't have a medical background and as far as I'm aware I know no one with HIV or AIDS.
But I'll say this: I don't trust the friggin' pharmaceutical companies any farther than I can throw them.
That's my thesis. Would anyone care to offer an antithesis?
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"But I'll say this: I don't trust the friggin' pharmaceutical companies any farther than I can throw them"
Yes! A read up on what Monsanto get up to will confirm that!
As for HIV, check out the works of Dr Robert Beck. As with many scientists who can be more bigoted than religious types (just look at what happened to Eric Braithwaite), you can always find a doctor who will contradict another (no disrespect to members of this forum intended!)
As for conspracy theories, I'm more a subscriber to the cockup theory, although it is quite true we are lied to all the time. I'm sure many cover-ups are there to hide gross incompetence rather than evil intent.
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Yes! A read up on what Monsanto get up to will confirm that!
As for HIV, check out the works of Dr Robert Beck. As with many scientists who can be more bigoted than religious types (just look at what happened to Eric Braithwaite), you can always find a doctor who will contradict another (no disrespect to members of this forum intended!)
As for conspracy theories, I'm more a subscriber to the cockup theory, although it is quite true we are lied to all the time. I'm sure many cover-ups are there to hide gross incompetence rather than evil intent.
phil
On the surface, Sepp Hasleburgers article was an interesting read.
Dig a little deeper, and his description of Culshaw's opinion was just that- an opinion.
She fails to deal with the question with any scientific rigor. Her work is not referenced, and she falls into the trap of so many "experts," concentrating on process, and not outcome.
I 'aint no expert on HIV or AIDS. I do know the difference between good and poor science. This is poor science. If Culshaw really is a Professor of Mathematical Mapping, she should realise this, and I am puzzled as to why she hasn't released her work in a format which would stand up to scientific scrutiny.
We deal with facts and evidence. This blogg deals with neither.
What worries me slightly, is such opinions may influence our population, who don't always possess our critical appraisal skills, to act in a away which could put them at risk.
Whilst looking for any excuse to disprove "Mac," unfortunately, although its hurting every sinew in my body to say this, I have to come down on his side, this time.
Dig a little deeper, and his description of Culshaw's opinion was just that- an opinion.
She fails to deal with the question with any scientific rigor. Her work is not referenced, and she falls into the trap of so many "experts," concentrating on process, and not outcome.
I 'aint no expert on HIV or AIDS. I do know the difference between good and poor science. This is poor science. If Culshaw really is a Professor of Mathematical Mapping, she should realise this, and I am puzzled as to why she hasn't released her work in a format which would stand up to scientific scrutiny.
We deal with facts and evidence. This blogg deals with neither.
What worries me slightly, is such opinions may influence our population, who don't always possess our critical appraisal skills, to act in a away which could put them at risk.
Whilst looking for any excuse to disprove "Mac," unfortunately, although its hurting every sinew in my body to say this, I have to come down on his side, this time.
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Well its about time this got an airing, although I thought it probably would appear in Jet Blast. However, there is an easy mistake to make. Do not confuse AIDS with HIV.
AIDS seems to exist but no one knows what it is. ( No dont start for a minute)
HIV on the otherhand was a 'virus' which was 'discovered' by the later discredited Dr Robert Gallo in teh USA. He made millions off his 'HIV test' which will give different readings at different times of day or in pregnant women or in various other nonesense situations.
If you want facts try this question on any Doctor or especially an AIDS 'expert':
Excuse me, where is the scientific reference for the proposition that HIV is the probable cause of AIDS ?
The heads-up here is that there isnt one and no one can provide one because the so-called 'virus' isnt a virus.
It doesn't act like a virus (loads of references for this, the most obvious being that people with this die of all sorts of different things! Virology 101 says that they always act the same)
No pictures of the virus exist- Pictures of 'virus-like particles' were published a while ago and various artists impressions have claimed to be something they are not.
Anyway sorry this has become a bit long winded but someone asked for facts. Obviously the average Doctor simply believes what he/she is told and doesnt have the time or inclination to go looking so no slur is intended there.
However, there is ample evidence for the above readily available and the question about the reference will stop all and sundry in their tracks. Usually they say its so well known it doesnt need a reference! Just say OK well what if you had to find it where would you look! Great sport at parties - better than mess games if you get a stroppy one!
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AIDS seems to exist but no one knows what it is. ( No dont start for a minute)
HIV on the otherhand was a 'virus' which was 'discovered' by the later discredited Dr Robert Gallo in teh USA. He made millions off his 'HIV test' which will give different readings at different times of day or in pregnant women or in various other nonesense situations.
If you want facts try this question on any Doctor or especially an AIDS 'expert':
Excuse me, where is the scientific reference for the proposition that HIV is the probable cause of AIDS ?
The heads-up here is that there isnt one and no one can provide one because the so-called 'virus' isnt a virus.
It doesn't act like a virus (loads of references for this, the most obvious being that people with this die of all sorts of different things! Virology 101 says that they always act the same)
No pictures of the virus exist- Pictures of 'virus-like particles' were published a while ago and various artists impressions have claimed to be something they are not.
Anyway sorry this has become a bit long winded but someone asked for facts. Obviously the average Doctor simply believes what he/she is told and doesnt have the time or inclination to go looking so no slur is intended there.
However, there is ample evidence for the above readily available and the question about the reference will stop all and sundry in their tracks. Usually they say its so well known it doesnt need a reference! Just say OK well what if you had to find it where would you look! Great sport at parties - better than mess games if you get a stroppy one!
Regards all
Xraf
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It doesn't act like a virus (loads of references for this, the most obvious being that people with this die of all sorts of different things! Virology 101 says that they always act the same)
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What is Virology 101? Is that a course at a university? Which university? I suspect xraf is the author of the course notes for Virology 101.
I eagerly await the notes from second year (Virology 201) which explain how DNA and RNA viruses "act the same"......
It doesn't act like a virus (loads of references for this, the most obvious being that people with this die of all sorts of different things! Virology 101 says that they always act the same)
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What is Virology 101? Is that a course at a university? Which university? I suspect xraf is the author of the course notes for Virology 101.
I eagerly await the notes from second year (Virology 201) which explain how DNA and RNA viruses "act the same"......
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Good morning Belfast child! - I'm sorry for using the appalling Americanism '101'. However, when you put '101' after something it refers to the most basic knowledge in that subject. (which I'm sure you knew really!
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Anyway, for those interested in the subject a well known investigative journalist called Phillip Day (which is not me!) wrote a fascinating book called 'World without AIDS' which can be obtained through Amazon or his website. Google will find it for you. Well worth a read between sectors!
Regards
Xraf
)Anyway, for those interested in the subject a well known investigative journalist called Phillip Day (which is not me!) wrote a fascinating book called 'World without AIDS' which can be obtained through Amazon or his website. Google will find it for you. Well worth a read between sectors!
Regards
Xraf
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Part 1
Why don't we start from first principles? In formal logic you try to falsify a proposition.
Let's suppose that the figures published by UNAIDS/WHO in November 2006 below are complete rubbish.
UNAIDS/WHOstatistics on the world epidemic of AIDS & HIV published November 2006, and referring to the end of 2006.
-----------------------------------------------Estimate--------Range
People living with HIV/AIDS in 2006------------39.5 million----34.1-47.1 million
Adults living with HIV/AIDS in 2006------------37.2 million----32.1-44.5 million
Women living with HIV/AIDS in 2006-------------17.7 million----15.1-20.9 million
Children living with HIV/AIDS in 2006----------2.3 million-----1.7-3.5 million
People newly infected with HIV in 2006---------4.3 million-----3.6-6.6 million
Adults newly infected with HIV in 2006---------3.8 million-----3.2-5.7 million
Children newly infected with HIV in 2006-------0.53 million----0.41-0.66 million
AIDS deaths in 2006----------------------------2.9 million-----2.5-3.5 million
Adult AIDS deaths in 2006----------------------2.6 million-----2.2-3.0 million
Child AIDS deaths in 2006----------------------0.38 million----0.29-0.50 million
More than 25 million people have died of AIDS since 1981.
Global trends: The number of people living with HIV has risen from around 8 million in 1990 to nearly 40 million today, and is still growing. Around 63% of people living with HIV are in sub-Saharan Africa.
Now let's suppose that this is all tosh and concentrate on what we DO know.
Item: Since 1981, 25 million people have suffered a catastrophic collapse of their cellular immune systems and died of a variety of opportunistic infections. About 2.9M people died of whatever this is in 2006. This is different from and in addition to, all the well known, age-old causes of death like cancer, malnutrition, malaria (about 2.7M deaths/year), cholera, TB(about 2.4M deaths/year), schistosomiasis, leishmaniasis and so forth.
Item: About the same number of people are alive, but show signs that their cellular immune system has got something seriously wrong with it (low CD4 counts and bizarre/atypical infections that normally don't cause trouble.
Item: Before the late '70s this sort of picture was very uncommon, and confined to those rare people born with immune system malfunctions, or people whose immune systems had been suppressed by chemotherapy for cancer or transplants.
The evidence for these three items is so massive that if you don't think that they are true then we have a major difficulty. The question then must be why just about every government or health organisation in the world (1st, 2nd and Third world) should simultaneously start fabricating evidence of death and disease on such a gigantic scale.
The difficulties of a massive world-wide coordinated deception are many, many orders of magnitude greater than those that would have been involved in, say, faking the moon landings (already rather more difficult than the moon landings themselves) so the probability is exceedingly remote.
OK, so let's (reluctantly perhaps) accept these death figures are about right (and they're either about right or nonexistent).
What then is causing this holocaust?
Let's suppose that the figures published by UNAIDS/WHO in November 2006 below are complete rubbish.
UNAIDS/WHOstatistics on the world epidemic of AIDS & HIV published November 2006, and referring to the end of 2006.
-----------------------------------------------Estimate--------Range
People living with HIV/AIDS in 2006------------39.5 million----34.1-47.1 million
Adults living with HIV/AIDS in 2006------------37.2 million----32.1-44.5 million
Women living with HIV/AIDS in 2006-------------17.7 million----15.1-20.9 million
Children living with HIV/AIDS in 2006----------2.3 million-----1.7-3.5 million
People newly infected with HIV in 2006---------4.3 million-----3.6-6.6 million
Adults newly infected with HIV in 2006---------3.8 million-----3.2-5.7 million
Children newly infected with HIV in 2006-------0.53 million----0.41-0.66 million
AIDS deaths in 2006----------------------------2.9 million-----2.5-3.5 million
Adult AIDS deaths in 2006----------------------2.6 million-----2.2-3.0 million
Child AIDS deaths in 2006----------------------0.38 million----0.29-0.50 million
More than 25 million people have died of AIDS since 1981.
Global trends: The number of people living with HIV has risen from around 8 million in 1990 to nearly 40 million today, and is still growing. Around 63% of people living with HIV are in sub-Saharan Africa.
Now let's suppose that this is all tosh and concentrate on what we DO know.
Item: Since 1981, 25 million people have suffered a catastrophic collapse of their cellular immune systems and died of a variety of opportunistic infections. About 2.9M people died of whatever this is in 2006. This is different from and in addition to, all the well known, age-old causes of death like cancer, malnutrition, malaria (about 2.7M deaths/year), cholera, TB(about 2.4M deaths/year), schistosomiasis, leishmaniasis and so forth.
Item: About the same number of people are alive, but show signs that their cellular immune system has got something seriously wrong with it (low CD4 counts and bizarre/atypical infections that normally don't cause trouble.
Item: Before the late '70s this sort of picture was very uncommon, and confined to those rare people born with immune system malfunctions, or people whose immune systems had been suppressed by chemotherapy for cancer or transplants.
The evidence for these three items is so massive that if you don't think that they are true then we have a major difficulty. The question then must be why just about every government or health organisation in the world (1st, 2nd and Third world) should simultaneously start fabricating evidence of death and disease on such a gigantic scale.
The difficulties of a massive world-wide coordinated deception are many, many orders of magnitude greater than those that would have been involved in, say, faking the moon landings (already rather more difficult than the moon landings themselves) so the probability is exceedingly remote.
OK, so let's (reluctantly perhaps) accept these death figures are about right (and they're either about right or nonexistent).
What then is causing this holocaust?
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OK Mac. My original post was mischievous. But it got you to respond. I think this is a genuine Q. Why would such extensive and scientifically 'kosher' websites put out this stuff unless there is some truth involved? Are these scientists deluded or ill-informed? I don't know what's causing the current holocaust, but I bet it ain't HIV.
Over to you.
Over to you.