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30 yrs of mil helos (mainly Gazelles god bless them) has trashed my hearing (very hi-tone deaf in both). Any advice welcome? Is the CAA medical more/less stringent than Military audiogram? Are hearing aids acceptable (a la glasses)?
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If you're the guy who tried to take me under the Shorts crane on the way into Holywood in 1991 I will do my damnest to make sure your medical is refused......on mental grounds let alone hearing!!!!!!!!
Civvys won't understand!
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Sorry for the confusion 6Z3,
In my pre-flying days, back in 91, I was dressed in a cabbage suit, on top cover in a Gazelle over West BT, when the pilot said we needed to head off to Holywood for fuel, over the top of the docks. When we came close to the Harland & Woolfe crane, he said something along the lines of 'I wonder if this will fit under that' and turned towards it................only for a few seconds, but long enough to generate a substantial increase in my pulse rate. It was the enormous, satanic grin spread across his face that worried me. But, over the few top covers I did I had a damn good time and I thank the AAC for pushing me into aviation - I should have applied back then.
Sorry if the joke backfired and I hope you get past the hearing tests.
If it's of any comfort, an audiogram carried out 18 months ago showed an improvement since my last military one (1994) and well within Class 1 standards. My last military audiogram also showed hi-tone hearing impairment. I can't comment on its strictness though - it did seem pretty much the same. A good point is that we were never told in the military (which the local hospital ENT department informed me) is to ensure that you have your ears thoroughly cleaned out (syringed) before the test, but check with your own doctor first, just in case.
I don't know if you've seen this but it may provide some further info:
http://www.caa.co.uk/srg/med/default.asp?page=533
Hope this helps and good luck,
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In my pre-flying days, back in 91, I was dressed in a cabbage suit, on top cover in a Gazelle over West BT, when the pilot said we needed to head off to Holywood for fuel, over the top of the docks. When we came close to the Harland & Woolfe crane, he said something along the lines of 'I wonder if this will fit under that' and turned towards it................only for a few seconds, but long enough to generate a substantial increase in my pulse rate. It was the enormous, satanic grin spread across his face that worried me. But, over the few top covers I did I had a damn good time and I thank the AAC for pushing me into aviation - I should have applied back then.
Sorry if the joke backfired and I hope you get past the hearing tests.
If it's of any comfort, an audiogram carried out 18 months ago showed an improvement since my last military one (1994) and well within Class 1 standards. My last military audiogram also showed hi-tone hearing impairment. I can't comment on its strictness though - it did seem pretty much the same. A good point is that we were never told in the military (which the local hospital ENT department informed me) is to ensure that you have your ears thoroughly cleaned out (syringed) before the test, but check with your own doctor first, just in case.
I don't know if you've seen this but it may provide some further info:
http://www.caa.co.uk/srg/med/default.asp?page=533
Hope this helps and good luck,
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2C, thank you yes it helped, however does anyone know whether hearing aids (digital) are acceptable for a Class 1 or 2 medical. ie if I can pass the audiogram with hearing aids is that acceptable (a la glasses).
The CAA says there is some leeway for experienced civvy aviators doing their subsequent periodic aircrew medicals. Well I'm an experienced (military) aviator seeking similar leeway, but for my first CAA medical, which I see is more stringent than the one you might take after 20 years in civil aviation.
The CAA says there is some leeway for experienced civvy aviators doing their subsequent periodic aircrew medicals. Well I'm an experienced (military) aviator seeking similar leeway, but for my first CAA medical, which I see is more stringent than the one you might take after 20 years in civil aviation.
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6Z3,
I would suggest you give them a call. They've always been very helpful and informative when I've called. From what I understand, they want you to pass, after all it's a good source of income for them. Call 01293 573700, Select 1 then 2. You get to speak to a real medical advisor.
Also, you can have a Class 1 conducted in another JAR country with a reciprocal mutual medical recognition agreement (The list is at http://www.jaa.nl/licensing/licensing_overview.html). So you may wish to also check the requirements of these countries.
Best Regards,
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I would suggest you give them a call. They've always been very helpful and informative when I've called. From what I understand, they want you to pass, after all it's a good source of income for them. Call 01293 573700, Select 1 then 2. You get to speak to a real medical advisor.
Also, you can have a Class 1 conducted in another JAR country with a reciprocal mutual medical recognition agreement (The list is at http://www.jaa.nl/licensing/licensing_overview.html). So you may wish to also check the requirements of these countries.
Best Regards,
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Good advice, I'm sure. However, asking a professional (medical or otherwise) a direct question could beg a direct decision and response, which, having been made might be difficult to get reversed, even with a compelling argument. I'd rather research the situation first (perhaps by finding a precedent) and try put forward a reasonable case. For example:
a. 'you already do it for experienced civilian pilots, why not experienced military', or
b. 'you have allowed (if true) ex-military pilots some leeway in eye-sight on their initial Class 1, why not in hearing'
But you're probably right. And as I am unlikely to get a flood of responses here from people who have 'been there', or who 'know a person who has', I shall probably have to take your advice. Thanks for responding.
Good advice, I'm sure. However, asking a professional (medical or otherwise) a direct question could beg a direct decision and response, which, having been made might be difficult to get reversed, even with a compelling argument. I'd rather research the situation first (perhaps by finding a precedent) and try put forward a reasonable case. For example:
a. 'you already do it for experienced civilian pilots, why not experienced military', or
b. 'you have allowed (if true) ex-military pilots some leeway in eye-sight on their initial Class 1, why not in hearing'
But you're probably right. And as I am unlikely to get a flood of responses here from people who have 'been there', or who 'know a person who has', I shall probably have to take your advice. Thanks for responding.
