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wowzz 24th Feb 2021 15:56

Scottish Politics
 
To those of us South of the border, could someone in the know please give a simple explanation as to what is happening between Salmond and Sturgeon.
The Machiavellian nature of all these redacted statements is beyond me.

ORAC 24th Feb 2021 16:19

https://www.politico.eu/article/scot...ght-explained/

Scotland’s Salmond vs. Sturgeon fight explained

On the beach 24th Feb 2021 19:08

The unredacted version is available here. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-evidence.html

It makes very interesting reading and if true could signal the demise of the “Wee Krankie”.

renfrew 24th Feb 2021 19:58

This has been a long saga up here but the endgame is approaching.
Another week or so should produce an outcome.

Effluent Man 24th Feb 2021 20:02

As I posted on the politics thread resignation isn't a possibility. Tubs has established the rules with Cummings and Patel. Nothing to see here, move on please.

andrewn 24th Feb 2021 20:33


Originally Posted by Effluent Man (Post 10997066)
As I posted on the politics thread resignation isn't a possibility. Tubs has established the rules with Cummings and Patel. Nothing to see here, move on please.

That would be such a shame if true EM. The downfall of the Sturgeon is well overdue in my opinion.

Effluent Man 24th Feb 2021 20:47

Not really concerned who the Braveheart is. Just as long as they stick it to Tubs.

longer ron 24th Feb 2021 21:44


Originally Posted by Effluent Man (Post 10997087)
Not really concerned who the Braveheart is. Just as long as they stick it to Tubs.

You obviously have ignored the total failure of the SNP in running scotland just because it suits your agenda - their record up here is absolutely abysmal :(
Another 'indyref' up here would spell disaster for the scots.
I get that you hate Tubs but the SNP are far worse than he is.

Two's in 24th Feb 2021 22:06

What a terrible conundrum..Couldn't have happened to two nicer people.

wowzz 24th Feb 2021 22:28


Originally Posted by ORAC (Post 10996920)
https://www.politico.eu/article/scot...ght-explained/

Scotland’s Salmond vs. Sturgeon fight explained

Thank you for that.
Personally, I have no skin in the game, but Sturgeon seems to be up a creek, and lacking a paddle, unless she can find one from the CEO of the SNP. Oh, hang on.........?

OilCan 25th Feb 2021 03:46


Originally Posted by wowzz (Post 10997138)
Thank you for that.
Personally, I have no skin in the game, but Sturgeon seems to be up a creek, and lacking a paddle, unless she can find one from the CEO of the SNP. Oh, hang on.........?

Impeachment – jockanese style. :ouch:

Trump was impeached because of his behaviour in office.
Salmond is being impeached (well, sort of) because of his behaviour since he left.

The running order goes something like this;

1. Sexual allegations were made against him.

2. He went to Sturgeon to try and get the system to intervene in his favour.

3. She said, no way, everybody knows you’re a 2 faced, lecherous pervert.

4. He took the huff and kicked up a stink which only brought out more accusers.

5. Emboldened by his eventual acquittal he’s kicking back with a vengeance.

6. In his view the world is against him. The Party, the Parliamentary authorities, the Judiciary, the Press (except those with an ulterior motive). Sound familiar?


The latest ‘stoochie’ is about redacted statements and his refusal to appear in front of the investigating committee. Why would he turn down the opportunity to present his evidence in person? Something smells awfully fishey. :yuk: It’s all gaining prominence at the moment because some smell blood and think the Union will benefit, alas, I think it’s a forlorn hope. She may be up a creek but in the current climate she doesn’t need a paddle, she’ll simply walk on the water.

Effluent Man 25th Feb 2021 05:54


Originally Posted by longer ron (Post 10997114)
You obviously have ignored the total failure of the SNP in running scotland just because it suits your agenda - their record up here is absolutely abysmal :(
Another 'indyref' up here would spell disaster for the scots.
I get that you hate Tubs but the SNP are far worse than he is.

Yes, I admit it suits my agenda. OTOH the Independence Referendum was won by David Cameron leaning heavily on the UK's membership of the EU as a bargaining chip. Once this was reversed then it is only fair that the Scottish people are allowed to reconsider their position on this. As for the SNP record it appears that quite a large number of voters seem happy with it. As for being worse than Tubs, I think we only have one recent politician that this particular cap fits and he is playing golf in Florida.

BizJetJock 25th Feb 2021 07:13


Why would he turn down the opportunity to present his evidence in person
Except he's not. He's being told that he may not present the evidence he wants to, and threatened with prosecution if he does present his evidence. That is a very different story. Would you agree to appear and only say what you have been told to say?
Frankly i think they are as bad as each other, but certainly the current stramash appears to support Salmonds side, since if it is as much nonsense as Sturgeon claims then why not let him say his piece and make an idiot of himself?

ChrisVJ 25th Feb 2021 07:15

I'm guessing Salmond wants his testimony published because if he says it in Parliament he is safe from libel and gains the court of public opinion. If it is not published then the members, who he thinks are in Sturgeon's pocket, can ignore it or skate around it. From some accounts his main claim is that Sturgeon knew before she said she did and therefore was perhaps a little reticent with parliament. Seems minor (thought technically a resignation offense) compared to the original charges which were undetermined at the time. It does appear she at least stabbed him in the back. Certainly the first ministers relationship, in the circumstances, with the Parliamentary Secretary has to be a complicating factor, he can hardly claim to be an impartial actor in the drama.

It also appears the story about not being able to present his evidence because it might reveal the identity of his accusers is a bit of a stitch up. I get the anonymity thing in such cases but surely there has to be a way otherwise no one can achieve justice and that is just as unjust.

longer ron 25th Feb 2021 07:15


Originally Posted by Effluent Man (Post 10997247)
OTOH the Independence Referendum was won by David Cameron leaning heavily on the UK's membership of the EU as a bargaining chip. Once this was reversed then it is only fair that the Scottish people are allowed to reconsider their position on this. As for the SNP record it appears that quite a large number of voters seem happy with it. As for being worse than Tubs, I think we only have one recent politician that this particular cap fits and he is playing golf in Florida.

The last 'indyref' was won by some people being able to do simple mathematics !
The western world is not going to have any money left in the post covid years,so the mathematics for any near future 'indyref' are even worse than before - financial help from (say) the EU might be tricky post covid as they will have their own financial black hole to deal with.
There would also be the spectre of a hard border between Scotland and England.
I already pay the 'Scottish' rate of income tax for the privilege of living in Nicolalaland - imagine what the tax rate would be in an 'independent' scotland.
As regards the happy voters - I think many people mistake somebody who talks well for somebody who does a good job ;),I am sure we all know/knew people who can talk a good job but are effing useless.
Sturgeon has been unashamedly buying votes over the years and if there is another 'indyref' - they will probably give the vote to 12 year olds ;)

ORAC 25th Feb 2021 07:39


The latest ‘stoochie’ is about redacted statements and his refusal to appear in front of the investigating committee. Why would he turn down the opportunity to present his evidence in person? Something smells awfully fishey.
The evidence in question has been published openly for several months and is still available in unredacted form in many publication websites including that of The Spectator. Just to clear any doubt, The Spectator pod to go back to the Scottish courts who ruled that there was nothing in the evidence which could not be published.

Why then is it important that the evidence to the inquiry has been redacted and consequently why Salmond is declining to appear?

Because if the copy the inquiry has “seen” does not contain the evidence which has been redacted then Salmond will not be allowed to mention it and no member of the inquiry may refer to it. Nor may the inquiry consider it when reaching their conclusion.

Fishy indeed.

https://www.scotsman.com/news/politi...ctions-3145047


Krystal n chips 25th Feb 2021 08:58

"Dahling, is Scortland part of Hingland ? "

"Not really dahling, you know those signs that say "The North " on Motorways ?...well it's somewhere past this ghastly area "

" "So what use is the place to us ? "

" well it's got some jolly good golf courses, and we get our Waitrose smoked salmon from there I believe, oh, and can you pour me another glarse of the Scotch dahling, that comes from there as well in case you ever wondered ...and that's about it really..."

" Thank you dahling, so nothing to even get remotely concerned about then "

From somebody who has long standing happy memories of Scotland, the population, the food, the hospitality and the grandeur less some get upset.

Not everybody in England shares this view....sadly.

ORAC 25th Feb 2021 13:36

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/a...-republic.html

ANDREW NEIL: Censorship, bullying, threats of jail... how Nicola Sturgeon's storm troops turned Scotland into a banana republic without the bananas


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Neil

WB627 25th Feb 2021 15:00

Wot no bananas :O




ORAC 25th Feb 2021 18:50

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/...eon-can-t-lose

It’s a pity that both Alex Salmond and Nicola Sturgeon can’t lose

Alex Massie


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