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twb3 30th Jun 2020 17:50

I'm not at all sure that there is any environmental benefit to curtailing home delivery over purchase at brick-and-mortar stores. In any case, the item is going to be shipped from the point of manufacture to the buyer's home. I suspect that the shipping from factory to warehouse or store uses a similar amount of energy, and the 'last mile' from store or warehouse to home is more likely to be at a lower energy cost per unit using a delivery truck on a planned and optimized route than the consumer making a trip in their own vehicle to retrieve the item from the store.

rifruffian 30th Jun 2020 18:06

There's lots of people who are not tied to any employment schedule. ( Is it a majority?) . So these peeps have time at their disposal. As far as shopping goes, I see far more choice online, item for item, than any conventional retail outlet. Choice of quality levels and price levels online superior to the alternative; mistakes, complaints, returns etc not difficult as my own experience goes.. My shopping is 99% online. (not an exaggeration ). I can see it could be targeted for tax. I don't like the idea but you will not see me leading the revolution against it.

Pontius Navigator 30th Jun 2020 18:17

Free delivery is a fact. Yes, it will have a direct effect I the bottom line Seller A to Seller B. But if Seller A can buy 100 widgets and sell them in a day with 10% mark up he may make more money than Seller B selling 10 of the same widgets in a week bought in at a lower discount. He needs to improve his direct margin through delivery costs.

You only have to look at widgets on Amazon. You can pay a slightly higher cost for next day delivery for a 79 membership fee or at a discount, probably not next day, for a delivery fee. Your direct cost is probably the same although Amazon gains that 79 but gives you other benefits too.

rifruffian 30th Jun 2020 18:23

bamboozled by that post PN......

VP959 30th Jun 2020 18:32

The bottom line is that for anything supplied from outside China, the purchaser is really paying for the delivery, even if it's quoted as being "free". China is an oddball, as the Chinese government heavily subsidise shipping from China, to encourage exports. Arguably the shipping cost still ends up being fed back to the product cost, via taxation, but I doubt that it's as straightforward as that in reality.

Personally, I'd far rather that everything had the real delivery charges listed, especially for anything that I'm likely to buy more than one of, as I always get the feeling that the "free shipping" prices tend to be a rip off if buying a quantity of something. Also, am I alone in finding that Amazon is a complete PITA in terms of finding something for the best price? Try as I might, Amazon's weird and wonderful search algorithm always seems to throw up a strange range of prices, and even the option to order search results by price seems to fall over, and list higher priced items earlier in the list than they should be. For all it's other flaws, eBay does at least seem to have better search functionality, that actually allows sensible boolean search terms to be used reasonably effectively (something that Amazon doesn't seem to support well).

rifruffian 30th Jun 2020 19:18

VP it seems that this notion of 'free' delivery is a personal perception. I like to see a price which includes delivery without extra charge; there is not any logic to it and I understand it is not free, just not listed as an additional charge but that format is always my preference. Similarly when I am an ebay seller I always list item as free delivery. I also find navigation of the amazon website difficult and frustrating. As a result my preferred site is ebay.

lancs 30th Jun 2020 20:38


Originally Posted by Cornish Jack (Post 10824328)
What would be nice, however, would be a delivery service being available!

Try Iceland online. I can predictably get deliveries tomorrow from them, over 35 and its free! The main supermarkets are all unable to offer collection or delivery services for the next 2 weeks every time I've checked before using them. Their range may be slightly limited, but you won't starve and their rump steaks are quite acceptable. (No, I don't work for them, etc.)

Pontius Navigator 30th Jun 2020 20:43

Offering either a price and free delivery or price plus stated delivery is fine. What gets my goat is where you don't find the until the final part of the process what they delivery charge is.

highflyer40 30th Jun 2020 21:23


Originally Posted by rifruffian (Post 10825650)
bamboozled by that post PN......

Amazon prime gives you free next day delivery (and recently quite a lot of same delivery for free if ordered before 1300). It is 79 per year but with that you get other inclusions as well. Most notably prime video, which is a streaming service like Netflix.

we have always done most all of our shopping online, including groceries.

Agree it would be nice to see big corporations pay their fair share of taxes. That would wipe out the corona virus bill in a few years!

VP959 30th Jun 2020 21:33


Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator (Post 10825772)
What gets my goat is where you don't find the until the final part of the process what they delivery charge is.

Annoys the heck out of me, as well, especially when you find at the check out stage that the delivery charge is almost as much as the price of the item. It happened to me last week, needed to buy a replacement remote control, found it listed for 9.99, then discovered when I went to pay that the delivery charge was 6.99. The really bizarre thing is that when I found the same remote listed (new) on eBay, the price was 11.49 including delivery, and it turned out that the seller was the same as the website I'd looked at originally.

rifruffian 30th Jun 2020 21:45

That is why I like the format 'free delivery'. A single figure group to read and enables an immediate decision to purchase, or not.

UniFoxOs 1st Jul 2020 06:15


Try Iceland online.
Fine, as long as you can be online when they release the delivery slots at 1100. Some of us can't...

Islandlad 1st Jul 2020 06:34


Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator (Post 10825647)
Free delivery is a fact.

You only have to look at widgets on Amazon. You can pay a slightly higher cost for next day delivery for a 79 membership fee or at a discount, probably not next day, for a delivery fee. Your direct cost is probably the same although Amazon gains that 79 but gives you other benefits too.

'Free Cinema' 'Safer Shopping' YouTube Reviews' 'Choice' 'Home Delivery' 'Service'

The world has turned upside down.

The future of the High Street is 'change'. What that change will be is of concern. Dormitory hubs, Pubs, Bars and Restaurants. On the way you can pick up your Amazon packages.

Islandlad 1st Jul 2020 06:41


Originally Posted by VP959 (Post 10825813)
Annoys the heck out of me, as well, especially when you find at the check out stage that the delivery charge is almost as much as the price of the item. It happened to me last week, needed to buy a replacement remote control, found it listed for 9.99, then discovered when I went to pay that the delivery charge was 6.99. The really bizarre thing is that when I found the same remote listed (new) on eBay, the price was 11.49 including delivery, and it turned out that the seller was the same as the website I'd looked at originally.

Pays to 'shop around'. Amazon Prime is the way to go until the deal evens out. Amazon need a competitor to challenge the monopoly. By the time that happens the High Street will have died.

jimjim1 1st Jul 2020 08:09


Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 (Post 10824298)
I do resent their paying tax in Luxembourg instead of here.

I have no knowledge of this however I would be astonished if they paid much tax anywhere.

I understand that some Coffee shop chain figures out their UK profit and then miraculously finds that is the exact amount due to the Swiss branch to which they must pay a license fee. They presumably pull some stunt in Switzerland too.

Poof! UK profit ZERO. No tax due of course.

ATNotts 1st Jul 2020 08:34


Originally Posted by jimjim1 (Post 10826091)
I have no knowledge of this however I would be astonished if they paid much tax anywhere.

I understand that some Coffee shop chain figures out their UK profit and then miraculously finds that is the exact amount due to the Swiss branch to which they must pay a license fee. They presumably pull some stunt in Switzerland too.

Poof! UK profit ZERO. No tax due of course.

Would that be the omnipresent chain that originated in Seattle who proudly claimed a couple of years ago that although they weren't liable for much corporation tax they did pay VAT? That would be the VAT that they collect from the mugs that buy their coffee from them of course, having offset their input VAT in their quarterly return!


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