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funfly 16th May 2019 20:30

Borris next PM?
 
It goes from bad to worse.

cavortingcheetah 16th May 2019 21:52

Finally, proof that there really is no greater gift than to be born British. God has given the country on the northern border of the Evil Empire another chance. Make haste ye quivering masses and sharpen your quills to X the spot where the Forlorn Hope's name may be found . Boris is the last chance of a great green and pleasant land. Now then, if only Rees Mogg were to be ruminated as the unofficial vice prime minister and that dreadful fellow Hammond replaced with someone who likes to kick train sets over and whose nickname is Bulls Eye!

Cornish Jack 16th May 2019 22:27

CC - your devoted enthusiasm for the Bullingdon Buffoon is somewhat short-sighted. Why would you wish to support such a paragon of joint endeavour and social graces when you have the alternative of such other luminaries as Chris (you couldn't make it up ) Grayling or the 'smiling knife' Andrea. You are limiting your horizons unnecessarily - so much choice, so much demonstrated political competence. I do understand your difficulties, though ... such a wealth of talent and so few opportunities to display it!:{

UniFoxOs 17th May 2019 07:33


political competence
words that should only ever be preceded by "lack of" these days

Grayfly 17th May 2019 07:34

Meanwhile, at the Westminster circus, the robot juggler has broken down and they need to send in a clown to keep the audience entertained.

Pontius Navigator 17th May 2019 07:45

As a choice between BoJo and Wurzel Gummidge there is no contest.

Whatever you think of the former, he is a leader who would use his team unlike TM and JC who lead from the front but fail to see if anyone is following them. At least they will follow BJ, if only out of curiosity.

Seriously, what many dislike is that he does not appear to take things seriously. He lacks the gravitas of a Churchill but otherwise has a similar broad view.

Grayfly 17th May 2019 08:04


Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator (Post 10473253)

Seriously, what many dislike is that he does not appear to take things seriously.

In our new world where X factor style politics is all about appearance, that's how he is viewed by some, clown, doesn't take things seriously, opportunist etc.

If Twitter etc was shut down, a lot of our current political class would struggle to succeed.

Effluent Man 17th May 2019 08:08

Odd how Bozza is seen as the saviour. As many may have noticed I am not a huge fan of Grandad ( please, Gummidge was the late lamented Michael Foot) About the only circumstance that could see my vote going to Corbyn would be a Bozza led Tory party.

ATNotts 17th May 2019 08:10

If BoJo were to be elected, then I will not vote Tory in the next GE, similarly as I resolved not to vote for Labour and Corbyn and his cronies. I'd rather have Gove than BoJo, and preferably, from those who have declared so far, Rory Stewart.

But is it really any way to run a country to have the new PM selected by 100,000 or so mainly elderly people, totally unrepresentative of the population? It's one thing having the party leader changed without an election, quite another to have the PM elected in this way.

Grayfly 17th May 2019 08:19


Originally Posted by ATNotts (Post 10473279)

But is it really any way to run a country

Currently being run by some MP's from NI. Will they be allowed to vote for the next leader?

ATNotts 17th May 2019 08:33


Originally Posted by Grayfly (Post 10473286)
Currently being run by some MP's from NI. Will they be allowed to vote for the next leader?

As long as the new PM chucks them another £1bn to keep them sweet they'll be happy as Larry.

Krystal n chips 17th May 2019 08:34


Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator (Post 10473253)
As a choice between BoJo and Wurzel Gummidge there is no contest.

Whatever you think of the former, he is a leader who would use his team unlike TM and JC who lead from the front but fail to see if anyone is following them. At least they will follow BJ, if only out of curiosity.

Seriously, what many dislike is that he does not appear to take things seriously. He lacks the gravitas of a Churchill but otherwise has a similar broad view.

Unfortunately, you seem to have a misunderstanding as to what constitutes leadership. ....and teams.

Could this, for example, be the same Boris whose short term tenure as Foreign Sec, was, sadly, marred by some misconstrued comments for example ?.....you see, and leaving his duplicity aside, when it comes to team work, there's only one team member involved and that's Brand Boris. The carefully crafted "buffoon " persona has worked reasonably well over the years, "good chap Boris ! "being the intended public reaction, but, just like Nige in so many respects, it's a façade designed to ensure Boris, and the ego, remains firmly in the public eye with this distraction technique.. As for a broad view, he's about as insular as they come, in fact a racehorse wearing blinkers would have more expansive views.

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ShotOne 17th May 2019 08:38

Boris?....No!

...and+1 to what KnC said

Planemike 17th May 2019 08:39

What difference will having a different leader make??

Exrigger 17th May 2019 08:46


Originally Posted by Planemike (Post 10473299)
What difference will having a different leader make??

None whatsoever, as the rest of Westminster will continue to vote and act exactly the same as they are now.

Planemike 17th May 2019 08:49


Originally Posted by Exrigger (Post 10473308)
None whatsoever, as the rest of Westminster will continue to vote and act exactly the same as they are now.

So why change leader ?? I really don't understand the reasoning behind it but there again I am not a politician..... Not even a member of political party. I do vote, feel it part of my civic duty.

Grayfly 17th May 2019 08:57

Let's have a referendum on it, they always work out well.

It would be interesting if the whole country could vote for a new leader.

ATNotts 17th May 2019 09:20


Originally Posted by Grayfly (Post 10473312)
Let's have a referendum on it, they always work out well.

It would be interesting if the whole country could vote for a new leader.

More than interesting, that is how it ought to be. Whatever the constitution has to say relating to the role of the PM, as head of the government rather than president, fact is that when most of us vote in a general election the principal factor in voting along with the party's policies, is whether we like the person that is their leader, and would be our PM.

In the same way that the fixed parliament rule was brought in, there should be a change to constitutional law that prevents the PM being changed without a general election, and that's not based on the current situation, but should have been the case when Blair passed the baton to Brown, Thatcher to Major, or Wilson to Callaghan. Sure the party could choose their favoured successor, but it must be confirmed by public vote - i.e. a general election.

Alternatively, I suppose the PM elect and their "vice PM" could be fixed so that we knew exactly who we were getting in the event of the retirement of the PM during a parliament.

ORAC 17th May 2019 09:28

Won’t help much. Firstly the PM doesn’t have to be the leader of the party and set policy; and, as in the case of the Greens, you can have the situation of joint leaders. In the end the MPs of any party select and follow those amongst themselves who they expect to best serve their interests, and always will.


Which why Labour is in such a mess after the membership, let alone the public, chose Corbyn to be their “leader” in the HoC. That’s worked out well hasn’t it?

Mr Optimistic 17th May 2019 09:44

Why change leader? Look at TMs behaviour. How she campaigned during the election she called, how she has communicated with the country as to the whys and wherefores of her agreement. She has no core beliefs or principles, that's why it all becomes words with no conviction and all options remain open at any stage. An empty shell, a cipher, an articulate idiot. Still, Boris doesn't seem exactly world class, except as an unpredictable stage act.


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