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Dan_Brown 15th Apr 2019 08:42

Legal Aid to Pander?
 
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6921827/Shamima-Begum-legal-aid-despite-stripped-UK-citizenship.html

charliegolf 15th Apr 2019 08:51

Sadly, the law should be applied fairly, so now I've calmed down, I have to agree her legal team has the right to apply for legal aid.

CG

Saintsman 15th Apr 2019 08:58

Seems to me that it is not so much about her, but an opportunity for the legal team to get a nice little earner.

ATNotts 15th Apr 2019 09:04


Originally Posted by Saintsman (Post 10447857)
Seems to me that it is not so much about her, but an opportunity for the legal team to get a nice little earner.

I thought the legal profession were bleating about just how poorly paid legal aid work is these days If she is employing a high powered legal team, then one assumes she, or her backers, would have the resources such that she should not require legal aid.

Saintsman 15th Apr 2019 10:22

The report says the bill could run into "hundreds of thousand Pounds", a figure I don't doubt. I'm sure that her backers would be much happier if someone else picked up the bill and the lawyers more than happy for that amount to come through their door. I'm sure that they will be saying that they have a very strong case...

papajuliet 15th Apr 2019 10:56

It's another indication of how Legal Aid is skewed to certain areas. Legal Aid in family law was stopped in 2013. It continues to be available in care proceedings for which the lawyer receives either a fixed fee (£2300 in the Midlands) which can only be exceeded if the work done costs out at more the twice the fixed fee - if £3900 of work has been done, in the example shown, that's just too bad. The work is costed at £52.57 per hour plus letters out and telephone calls at £3.29 and letters in at £1.85. A fixed fee for attendance at Court is chargeable also.
As it takes more than £250 per hour to run an office is it any wonder that lawyers are no longer doing Legal Aid work ?
The news media, of course, only publicise those lawyers charging high fees for work done for banks, insurance companies, large companies etc. and high profile cases like that of Begum.

PDR1 15th Apr 2019 11:58


Originally Posted by Saintsman (Post 10447857)
Seems to me that it is not so much about her, but an opportunity for the legal team to get a nice little earner.

Oh twaddle!

No lawyer makes significant money on legal aid cases - mostly they work out at less than the minimum wage. If you actually want to understand the situation around legal Aid then read "The Secret Barrister: Stories of the Law and How It's Broken". Then perhaps you might understand what you're talking about.

PDR

racedo 15th Apr 2019 13:16

While I baulk at her legal aid bill I do however haev an issue with arbitrary decisions on stripping a citizen of their citizenship. Allow a govt to do that and then they will open it up and decide we can do it whenever we want, against who we want and for whatever reason we want.

If she has broken UK law then let her be prosecuted and go to jail.

The idea that because someone is a terrorist means they are always a terrorist and at no time now or in the future can they be spoken to or allowed in Civilised society is laughable.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sean_O'Callaghan

Spunky Monkey 15th Apr 2019 13:43

How about the Government removing Citizenship due to public outcry, or it acts as a deterrent to those who think their actions are without recourse...or because they are likely to always a threat and as such do we really want the public put at risk...or the security services spending time and money monitoring them?
Perhaps it is easier to just let them lie in the bed they have made, let the case go through and then move on...

UniFoxOs 15th Apr 2019 14:34

I'd re-introduce the death penalty for treason - she could come back then.

PDR1 15th Apr 2019 15:01


Originally Posted by Spunky Monkey (Post 10448041)
How about the Government removing Citizenship due to public outcry,

Ah yes - lynch mobs. That'll work.

PDR

Dan_Brown 15th Apr 2019 15:20


Originally Posted by UniFoxOs (Post 10448074)
I'd re-introduce the death penalty for treason - she could come back then.

Agree with you there.

racedo 15th Apr 2019 15:48


Originally Posted by UniFoxOs (Post 10448074)
I'd re-introduce the death penalty for treason - she could come back then.

Define TREASON and what is a Govt decides to change the description of treason to anything it decides is Treason.

Captivep 15th Apr 2019 16:40

As the saying goes, hard cases make bad law.

I'm sure most of us are not in the slightest supportive of her actions, but I also hope most of us are supportive of the view that it's one of the of the strengths of our society that even those whom we consider to have done bad things should get the same legal support as anybody else. We may have to grit our teeth, bit it's the right thing to do...​​​​​​

BehindBlueEyes 15th Apr 2019 16:52

Presumably, if she wins any compensation, as well the reinstatement of her nationality, she will have to repay legal aid costs?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47934641

DaveReidUK 15th Apr 2019 17:20


Originally Posted by BehindBlueEyes (Post 10448159)
Presumably, if she wins any compensation, as well the reinstatement of her nationality, she will have to repay legal aid costs?

If she goes to court, it's for a ruling over whether she can be lawfully stripped of her UK citizenship. Nothing to do with compensation.


BehindBlueEyes 15th Apr 2019 19:26


Originally Posted by DaveReidUK (Post 10448176)
If she goes to court, it's for a ruling over whether she can be lawfully stripped of her UK citizenship. Nothing to do with compensation.

Surely she’s entitled to something to recompense her for ‘emotional distress’ ?

G-CPTN 15th Apr 2019 19:41

There are distressing reports (in the Mail on Sunday) about her activities fitting suicide bomb-vests - whilst this is clearly terrorist activity, does it constitute treason WRT the UK?

racedo 15th Apr 2019 21:01


Originally Posted by G-CPTN (Post 10448270)
There are distressing reports (in the Mail on Sunday) about her activities fitting suicide bomb-vests - whilst this is clearly terrorist activity, does it constitute treason WRT the UK?

If it is a terrorist act then she can be prosecuted under UK law and left in prison.

rotornut 15th Apr 2019 22:08

What is the threshold for legal aid in criminal matters in the UK? Here in Ontario you can't get legal aid unless the Crown is seeking a custodial sentence.










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