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Fly Aiprt 3rd Sep 2019 07:24


Originally Posted by dr dre (Post 10560537)
Speaking about professionals who know what they’re talking about being insulted and dismissed by people who don’t:

Jacob Rees-Mogg attacks doctor who advised government on no-deal Brexit, dismissing his warnings people will die as ‘fear-mongering’

The exact same arguments we've been seeing here : "remain campaign", "Project Fear", "remoaners"...
Einstein comes to mind ;-)

Sallyann1234 3rd Sep 2019 07:57


Originally Posted by Fly Aiprt (Post 10560590)
The exact same arguments we've been seeing here : "remain campaign", "Project Fear", "remoaners"...
Einstein comes to mind ;-)

The government shouldn't have asked for professional advice if they didn't want to hear it.

But ReesMogg, with his safe EU investments, doesn't need to worry about anyone else being hurt by Brexit. As a devout Catholic he only has to go into the confession box and all will be forgiven.

ORAC 3rd Sep 2019 08:03

A doctor is not a logistics expert. Listening to the briadcast the doctors case seemed to be that “my colleagues are afraid the drugs will run out”, but with no explanation of what mitigation was possible or had been put in place.

It resembles another interview a few days back when a doctor was horrified lorries might be delayed. When he was informed that the government had organised alternate air freight transport his answer was that was dangerous because it has never been done that way before. Now I know aircraft are a new dangled means of transport, but it’s generally considered safe enough to carry freight as well as people....

Fly Aiprt 3rd Sep 2019 08:14


Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 (Post 10560609)
The government shouldn't have asked for professional advice if they didn't want to hear it.

They asked for professional advice so they could provide some rationale for their Leave opinion.
Possibly because they had none...



Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 (Post 10560609)
But ReesMogg, with his safe EU investments, doesn't need to worry about anyone else being hurt by Brexit.

Anybody advocating Brexit is hoping that it's the others that are going to be hurt. Some of them have their money and assets safe in other countries.
The others, well...




Krystal n chips 3rd Sep 2019 08:58


Originally Posted by ORAC (Post 10560619)
A doctor is not a logistics expert. Listening to the adapt the doctors case seemed to be that “my colleagues are afraid the drugs will run out”, but with explanation of what mitigation was possible or had been put in place.

It resembles another interview a few days back when a doctor was horrified lorries might be delayed. When he was informed that the government had organised alternate air freight transport his answer was that was dangerous because it has never been done that way before. Now I know aircraft are a new dangled means of transport, but it’s generally considered safe enough to carry freight as well as people....

Whilst it's reasonable to assume the doctors fears about air transport may be unfounded, it's far from unreasonable, even without Grayling, to assume the Gov't + contingency planning + sufficient aircraft is never going to = a satisfactory solution.

Fly Aiprt 3rd Sep 2019 10:48


Originally Posted by ORAC (Post 10560619)
A doctor is not a logistics expert. Listening to the briadcast the doctors case seemed to be that “my colleagues are afraid the drugs will run out”, but with no explanation of what mitigation was possible or had been put in place.



ORAC, to date no logistic expert has ventured to predict any mitigation as to the effects of BREXIT, as to date Britain doesn't even know whether it's really quitting and whether with or without a deal.

Given that British CAA is not even sure whether its pilots and airplanes will be allowed to cross the Channel or the North Sea on the 1st of November, I'd consider any talk of "government organising alternate air freight transport" with a grain of salt.

Maybe some here are a bit too involved to get the big picture, but today "organization" is not the first thing that comes to mind when considering your Government ;-)

xraydice 3rd Sep 2019 10:53

Berlin London airlift anyone ? As usual this will be a " see what develops" and panic operation.

SaulGoodman 3rd Sep 2019 11:23


Originally Posted by ORAC (Post 10560619)
A doctor is not a logistics expert...


All the logistics experts are very much in favour of (no deal) Brexit indeed🤣🤣🤣

Sallyann1234 3rd Sep 2019 11:32

What's next from Mogg? A logistics expert will be wrong to say that he couldn't guarantee to bring in fresh food, because he is not a chef. :p

wiggy 3rd Sep 2019 11:33


Originally Posted by ORAC (Post 10560619)
A doctor is not a logistics expert.

Well spotted ORAC.

Did you also spot that neither is JRM, and I also doubt JRM is a medical expert either.

Fly Aiprt 3rd Sep 2019 11:42


Originally Posted by xraydice (Post 10560747)
Berlin London airlift anyone ? As usual this will be a " see what develops" and panic operation.

Ah ah ah,
Chlorinated chicken and medicals airlifted direct from the US.
Wait a minute, they must buy Groenland first !
What remains is airlift from Russia via Norway...

The AvgasDinosaur 3rd Sep 2019 12:32

As I understand it there are only seven countries who actually make a nett positive contribution to EU funds. Looking at the waiting list I can’t see that situation improving anytime soon. So membership subscriptions are therefore likely to rise?
Hope this helps
David

Fly Aiprt 3rd Sep 2019 12:49


Originally Posted by sfm818 (Post 10560786)
Let that sink in. No deal exit creates a potential risk which nobody saw painted on the side of a battle bus that set out to save the NHS .. the prospect of counterfeit medicines entering the health service.

Maybe that's why this Leave campaign chap Lawson tried to get a Carte de Séjour to benefit from the French health service ?

BTW, here is a quick and easy solution : have the Chinese counterfeit any medicines you need for cheap.
Provided Trump allows you to trade with China ;-)

Serious now. Regarding human factors.
It is very interesting to note how some people here react when presented with a possible problem induced by the Brexit.
Ordinary people would research the subject, analyse pros and cons, carefully check the proposed solutions to determine if they are realistic, etc.

Others seem to prefer inventing solutions or reporting notoriously uncompetent politic leaders' musings.
And yet haven't those already proved unreliable with "the easiest of deals" ?

Fool me once...



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ShotOne 3rd Sep 2019 12:57

Considering this is a professional pilots forum, why does proposed use of air transport (London airlift anyone?) imply panic?

Fly Aiprt 3rd Sep 2019 13:19


Originally Posted by ShotOne (Post 10560835)
Considering this is a professional pilots forum, why does proposed use of air transport (London airlift anyone?) imply panic?

Because chances are it will be a last minute "organization". Unless someone could provide a source for credible information on the subject.
Also, there is a huge uncertainty as to whether British aircraft and pilots will be allowed to operate within the EU.

Of course it may also be possible to start with EU airplanes and crews providing the UK with vital items...

dr dre 3rd Sep 2019 13:45


Originally Posted by Fly Aiprt (Post 10560848)
Of course it may also be possible to start with EU airplanes and crews providing the UK with vital items...

And in a no deal situation where the UK fails to pay its legally obligated divorce bill I’m sure those EU aircraft and crews will be provided at an affordable price..../s

Exrigger 3rd Sep 2019 13:56

Can anyone provide credible sources that substantiate the claims that there actually will be food and medicine shortages post Brexit under WTO rules and why, as there will not be more food and medicine needed over and above what is currently being imported from the EU, secondly the only delays on the transport system, that will travel the same routes as they do now and the amount of lorries will not increase, ‘might’ be a delay in checking that any new paperwork is in order, delays that should not cause shortages as being touted and there is enough information posted for those businesses who need to make changes in preparation for that outcome (note: Links have been provided numerous times for those that may ask).

The way I see it the only major delays will be self-inflicted by either businesses not preparing because they believe we will not leave, or port administration staff on either side of the channel holding up transport deliveries on purpose to make the point that they were right all along, however I can no more substantiate that opinion than I suspect can those purporting it will happen as a certainty.

ThorMos 3rd Sep 2019 14:05


Originally Posted by Exrigger (Post 10560862)
Can anyone provide credible sources that substantiate the claims that there actually will be food and medicine shortages post Brexit under WTO rules and why, as there will not be more food and medicine needed over and above what is currently being imported from the EU, secondly the only delays on the transport system, that will travel the same routes as they do now and the amount of lorries will not increase, ‘might’ be a delay in checking that any new paperwork is in order, delays that should not cause shortages as being touted and there is enough information posted for those businesses who need to make changes in preparation for that outcome (note: Links have been provided numerous times for those that may ask).

The way I see it the only major delays will be self-inflicted by either businesses not preparing because they believe we will not leave, or port administration staff on either side of the channel holding up transport deliveries on purpose to make the point that they were right all along, however I can no more substantiate that opinion than I suspect can those purporting it will happen as a certainty.

My god, where to start...
Can you tell me where i can get the necessary paperwork to ship goods to my customer in Sterling?
Do you know what just a two minute stop for each and every truck passing through Calais, Rotterdam, Hoek van Holland,... means regarding traffic jams?
Vice versa Dover, Hull, Harwich,...
Are you sure that EU and UK will be working according to WTO rules? Will the UK be a member of WTO?

You know, we have a very fitting saying in germany: Wenn man keine Ahnung hat, einfach mal die Fresse halten...

Fly Aiprt 3rd Sep 2019 14:15


Originally Posted by Exrigger (Post 10560862)
Can anyone provide credible sources that substantiate the claims that there actually will be food and medicine shortages post Brexit under WTO rules and why, as there will not be more food and medicine needed over and above what is currently being imported from the EU,

Some have been posted above, sir.
"You can take a horse to water..."

As for trucks lorries, believing that traffic will continue as usual while at the same time claiming no-deal at the face of fishermen, is not the wisest of beliefs...
But why do we care since an airlift has already been taken care of by your politicians ;-)


Fly Aiprt 3rd Sep 2019 14:19


Originally Posted by ThorMos (Post 10560868)
Wenn man keine Ahnung hat, einfach mal die Fresse halten...

Nicht zu nett zu unserem Freund ;-)



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