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Dont Hang Up 22nd Aug 2019 07:53


Originally Posted by ORAC (Post 10551321)

Yes, but if you read that it quickly becomes clear that it means leaving with a deal and a free-trade agreement. However Boris continues our headlong rush to the no-deal cliff-edge.

ThorMos 22nd Aug 2019 07:53


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 10551037)
FlyA,

The thing is there is movement, the EU's cast in stone attitude is changing and that is a major breakthrough.

I understand that you come to this conclusion if you have to rely on the Mails and others headlines, but in reality and when you are a native german speaker you come to a different conclusion.
In a very Merkelesque (sp?) she said: 'if you think, you can come up with a solution in the next thirty days then tell us about it.' Has Boris come up with something? Thought not...

dr dre 22nd Aug 2019 07:57


Originally Posted by ORAC (Post 10551321)
The view from Germany......
And the view from Iceland.

For the benefit of readers ORAC’s sources for those posts were the editor of Bild, the German version of the Daily Mail or Daily Express. And David Gunnlaugsson, the former PM of Iceland who was forced out of office after the Panama Papers found him to be corrupt but stills thinks a conspiracy led by George Soros was the reason for his demise.

Hardly the “view from Iceland and Germany” but the “opinions of a media and a political fringe element in Iceland and Germany”.

ATNotts 22nd Aug 2019 08:03


Originally Posted by ThorMos (Post 10551373)
I understand that you come to this conclusion if you have to rely on the Mails and others headlines, but in reality and when you are a native german speaker you come to a different conclusion.
In a very Merkelesque (sp?) she said: 'if you think, you can come up with a solution in the next thirty days then tell us about it.' Has Boris come up with something? Thought not...

Lamentably, Merkel's answers in that press conference were entirely dubbed over in English on BBC, so we didn't get to hear what she said. That being said, the translation that I heard said pretty much what you say she said in German. The UK media appear, not unusually, not to have listened, or been deliberately misleading.

Asturias56 22nd Aug 2019 08:04

"Clearly an anonaly as have flown out of Belfast on loads of occasions to various UK airports and only occasion getting met by anybody was Anti Terrorist police who knew who they wanted."

I was stopped a couple of years at ABZ coming from LHR - they wren't terribly happy when someone stated in a loud voice that they were practicing for SEXIT

Jack D 22nd Aug 2019 08:11


Originally Posted by Dont Hang Up (Post 10551372)
Yes, but if you read that it quickly becomes clear that it means leaving with a deal and a free-trade agreement. However Boris continues our headlong rush to the no-deal cliff-edge.

No it means joining the EEA temporarily, sounds reasonable. Interesting to note that the L wing groups in Iceland were keen to join the EU and the EEA was the first step. They are fortunate like the Swiss not to within the control of Brussels although some regulations on standards are complied with, quite rightly.

When I wrote that the ROI is a beneficiary I meant that
72. 5 billion received - 32 billion paid in . Since 2015 a small net contributor,I didn’t make myself clear.

Macron, as expected, is following his standard line, he is annoyed that the UK contaminates his grand vision for project Europe . That’s how it is, the wily compromise artist Merkel will be silent, she has cleverly played her part .BJ will try to offer new suggestions, they will not be accepted and the UK will leave on the 31st Oct.

I don’t understand what everyone is worried about .

wiggy 22nd Aug 2019 08:18


Originally Posted by ATNotts (Post 10551382)
Lamentably, Merkel's answers in that press conference were entirely dubbed over in English on BBC, so we didn't get to hear what she said. That being said, the translation that I heard said pretty much what you say she said in German. The UK media appear, not unusually, not to have listened, or been deliberately misleading.

A point made last night in a Tweet from the Economist's ( German speaking) Jeremy Cliffe:


The Westminster lobby doesn't speak German, doesn't understand German politics and is endlessly willing to read things into Angela Merkel's statements that she doesn't mean. And Boris Johnson knows it:

bpilatus 22nd Aug 2019 08:29


Originally Posted by Jack D
I don’t understand what everyone is worried about .

the eu are worried we will leave sans deal and do well which will bring into sharp focus their raison d'etre [or lack thereof]

the remoaners are worried they will be found wanting; that their strategy of delay, obfuscate, frustrate hasn't worked; that they were duped

Thank you for reading.

ORAC 22nd Aug 2019 08:33


No it means joining the EEA temporarily, sounds reasonable.
The UK is already in the EEA as one of the signatory nations. When the EEA was set up the EU didn’t exist as an entity, so all the nations signed individually. So the UK is a member outside the EU.

Interestingly, those who interested in such matters noted that when the UK initiated A50 to the EU, they omitted to simultaneously initiate A127 of the EEA treaty.....

https://www.efta.int/media/documents...Aagreement.pdf

Article 127

Each Contracting Party may withdraw from this Agreement provided it gives at least twelve months' notice in writing to the other Contracting Parties.

Jack D 22nd Aug 2019 08:38


Originally Posted by bpilatus (Post 10551408)
the eu are worried we will leave sans deal and do well which will bring into sharp focus their raison d'etre [or lack thereof]

the remoaners are worried they will be found wanting; that their strategy of delay, obfuscate, frustrate hasn't worked; that they were duped

Thank you for reading.

Absolutely! the desire to try and make an example of the UK is overwhelming the EU,s ability to make a sensible deal .. punish and control seems to be the Order of the day . For further information contact the Greek govt.

Economics101 22nd Aug 2019 08:48

Pontius Navigator: you posted

The quote above seems contradictory. Can you explain it?
You are referring to what I posted:

. . . the RoI has been a net contributor to the EU budget for a few years now. It is a net beneficiary from the SIngle Market and the Customs Union,
.

What I meant was that in straightforward EU budgetary terms, Ireland is now a net contributor (payments to EU budget exceed receipts). The benefits from the Single Market and Customs Union are quite distinct from this: greater trade opportunities have brought gains form new export markets, gains to consumers and producers from lower trading costs, and arguably dynamic gains over time as enhanced productivity growth has lead to a rise in real incomes.

It is worth noting that since the SM and CU have become more effective, Ireland's Income per head has converged on Western European levels. Ireland's GDP per head is much greater than "normal", due to the distortion arising from multinational firms' operation, which has been a nightmare for our Central Statistics Office, who have devised a new measure GNI* to strip out these distortions. (Please don't ask for the boring details!)

Sallyann1234 22nd Aug 2019 09:03


Originally Posted by Jack D (Post 10551419)


Absolutely! the desire to try and make an example of the UK is overwhelming the EU,s ability to make a sensible deal .. punish and control seems to be the Order of the day . For further information contact the Greek govt.

The EU doesn't need to make an example. We have made ourselves the example by leaving.

Both the UK and the EU will be damaged by Brexit. The EU, being much bigger and stronger, will be damaged much less.

The EU doesn't owe anything to an ex-member.

And yes I know you aren't listening.

wiggy 22nd Aug 2019 09:07


Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 (Post 10551448)
The EU doesn't owe anything to an ex-member.

And yes I know you aren't listening.

Agreed, the victim card is being much played this morning...

NoelEvans 22nd Aug 2019 09:16


Originally Posted by dr dre (Post 10551289)
...All the Irish need to do is totally ignore a few hundred years of history, war and struggles for independence and totally submit again to British rule ...

Oh dear, people with their heads stuck in the past still. Did you know that Cromwell is no longer the Lord Protector? Things have moved on (except inside some of those peoples' heads). However, it seems that they are happy to submit to The President (based in the capital of that hugely divided country between the Netherlands and France). Oh, and if The President's Men ask you a question and you don't give the correct answer, they ask again until you do give the correct answer (not referring to just one country there as a more than one has suffered that 'version' of 'democracy').

NoelEvans 22nd Aug 2019 09:21


Originally Posted by ThorMos (Post 10551373)
...
In a very Merkelesque (sp?) she said: 'if you think, you can come up with a solution in the next thirty days then tell us about it.' Has Boris come up with something? Thought not...

I fully understand that English might not be your first language (going on your 'Location'), but please work out exactly what "in the next thirty days" actually means. It would probably be fair to give you the next 29 days to answer that.

Jack D 22nd Aug 2019 09:26

“ The EU doesn’t owe anything to an ex member “

There you have it the vindictive attitude which is all too prevalent among eu supporters,
This cuts both ways, e.g security, although to be fair the UK is more effective within the 5 eyes group which is far less “ leaky” than our eu neighbors security services.

NoelEvans 22nd Aug 2019 09:29


Originally Posted by Jack D (Post 10551387)
...

Macron, as expected, is following his standard line, he is annoyed that the UK contaminates his grand vision for project Europe . ...

I don't want to live in the past, but wasn't another image conscious Frenchman annoyed about similar some time back? We shouldn't live in the past, but we should learn from it, especially if the parallels become too close.

NoelEvans 22nd Aug 2019 09:35


Originally Posted by Fly Aiprt (Post 10551101)
...

Why do I care ?
Well, I don't.
..

Really? Your constant Posting seems to indicate the opposite!
Go on, demonstrate that you don't care, by not Posting!

A lot of people will chuckle at your inevitable response to this!

NoelEvans 22nd Aug 2019 09:38


Originally Posted by Jack D (Post 10551478)
... the UK is more effective within the 5 eyes group which is far less “ leaky” than our eu neighbors security services.

Jack, are you suggesting that things might be done better outside the EU? Go and wash your mouth out!!!

wiggy 22nd Aug 2019 09:39


Originally Posted by Jack D (Post 10551478)
“ The EU doesn’t owe anything to an ex member “

There you have it the vindictive attitude which is all too prevalent among eu supporters,

It really is in some ways very simple.
The UK voted to leave the "club"
The remaining members of said club maintain the UK cannot continue to enjoy the benefits of being in said club.
Calling that vindictive is simply playing the victim.

I expect that will be happening a lot more in the next few weeks..
If people are perceiving that as 3


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